[DC 1.11] IG < Orks ---The definition of abuse---

[Critikal]

This was 1/2 decent fight vs an Ork player which has no shame.
Main reason for posting is to show all how badly Ork can be abused.
I would appreciate any feedback on how to counter it.
I feel i danced my units extremely well per the circumstance;
But didn't get to pay as much attention to base control / resources in doing so.

Warning: ! I flame extensively during the game!

[uriel3ca3]

Let me guess, Burna Bombs?


If it is, I'm not watching it. It's like watching a Necron lamer except slightly worse.

[Troubleshooter]

Please provide some more info on what flaver of lame this is - dont have alot of time to log with replays these days unless its specifically one that demands attention.

[fuggles]

Troubleshooter - it's Lemon and Lame!

Let Fuggles summarise:

On the plus the game is hilarious! Starts off with a grot/minefield rush against the IG and then gretching mugging. Matey here then surrounds the orks with CLEARLY imba HWT's who do so much anti building damage that 10 gretchin cannot touch the harm being caused.

At this point the ork does indeed do a liddle bit of bomb abusing.

HOWEVER...Why do you
a) build full scale war before any vehicles
b) use the hellhound power 'burn their toast' and then run your men through it twice
c) float 900 req and not build more production
d) use sentinels to go around his attack waves rather than run into them with the same losing combination
e)attack a kan with kasrkins
f)not take your baneblade on the main attack?

However with regards to your flaming...


..You sir are disgusting, a blight to humanity, the game and 10 year olds everywhere.

There is no excuse.

[bub660]

Agree with what Fuggles said you lost because of to many silly mistakes. I don't care how frustrated you are with another gamer theres no excuse to say "I hope your family dies in a fire." You got a lot of growing up to do.

[Troubleshooter]

I don't care how frustrated you are with another gamer theres no excuse to say "I hope your family dies in a fire."

Nuff said... yer on your own.

Thats just beneath contempt.

[Ragpicker]

i agree with the guys below....

and why did ur assassin cc buildings??

[Karrde]

Dude, he wasn't even as good of an ork player as I have seen. He got doks quick, which was a plus, but if he had one nob squad and teleported that into the troops brought in the flashies before the baneblade finished, game over. You should have lost alot sooner.

And your not even that good. Orks are just right imo.

[Fannin]

I don't think it's "beneath contempt", so much as I think it deserves all the contempt you can possibly muster, Trouble

[Nachtwolfruiner]

I watched this replay and I can't really say that it was abuse. It's not like he was deleting the bombs...

You basically got beaten and acted like a 12 year old over it.

[CannibalGnome]

As a 13 year old, at bare minimum I'm magnanimous in defeat (I'm vanquished fairly frequently in auto, heh). To my recollection, I was at 12 as well.

[Fannin]

A 13 year old that knows the word "magnanimous"...

You've just reaffirmed my faith in mankind, CG.

[Akira]

your the fucking abuser

... he said boldly , after making "use" of his HWT ... loud mouth deserved to lose , was hoping it was slugga spam =/
thought the early mines were a nice touch
Critikal - basilisks might of been handy

[Clever Ninja]

Wow, your the type of person people use as examples to explain whats wrong with online communities. Notice that he didn't start abusing until you started with the HWT abuse, he plainly said this in chat. The fact that you went to the insults proves how much you fail. I don't even know why you posted this.

The funny thing is he wasn't that great of an Ork player, he didn't get Nobz until the very end(yet had Gitz coming out the rear), and his counterabuse destroyed you. Lol XD.

[Bjaaarn]

I dont understand why ppl think that using HWT is abuse. Its not like they are invincible and can deldrop a bomb which kills entire armies once or twice every minute as seen in the replay

[fuggles]

My beef with HWT, based on this replay if nothing else is that they have the range of a screen (if not more) and the heavy bolter tore down a building much faster than a full team of grots could repair. Bear in mind that the heavy bolter is an anti-infantry weapon and the orks are entirely infantry and you can see why this might be considered abuse. Your base is tore down, but if you try and leave then your army is killed. Orks being CC orientated and having to walk a screen is ludicrous vs a HWT. They are pretty darn tough as well, it's not like you could easily mug them with stormboys due to the toughness/damage ration being out of line.

So HWT = massive range + massive damage.
Ergo HWT = IMBA

[Ifitmovesnukeit]

But if HWTs are concentrating on a building, that's your golden opportunity to attack them, and the IG player can't do jack to retarget them.

[peturabo]

Hwt abuse? lol what have you been smoking?

[Bjaaarn]

Yeah if HWT werent bugged they might be imba .. but now they are not imo, since u can just send a trak or two infront of your army to soak up all the lead and HWT is pretty useless

[Fannin]

Ranged units that can hit from a screen away aren't exactly uncommon in DC, unfortunately.

Hell, if I was facing an Ork base, why the hell would I march in with guys when I can plug away from outside the range of building guns?

[fuggles]

see now you have brought traks into the equation. The HWT damage vs ork buildings seems huge! In this replay, 1 takes down the buildings with one in backup - the ork has no chance. The fact he doesn't need to aim I suspect means that LOS isn't needed.

[Ifitmovesnukeit]

Given the fragility of the weapons platform, its inability to deal with mobile threats effectively, its inability to relocate quickly when under serious threat, its large build time, its large price tag, and its FUBAR targeting, I think I can be forgiven for thinking that maybe long range and high damage are supposed to compensate. Heck, I even think it's a bit expensive and takes too long to build atm, although if its targeting is fixed I'll be happy to leave those as they are.

2 HWT represents a 500 req investment + power, and a long time to bring to the field. That ork player was not harassing properly and got punished for it. Although I can't condone what the IG player said over the chat, the amount of imba he used, if any, pales in comparison to the delete-bug-exploit-happy ork player.

[TheLastRoboKy]

I'd like to think that "The definition of abuse" in the title relates to the verbal kind being issued forth in the replay.

The ork and IG player did what they had to do to try to win, so all's fair in war and more war. Just remember that sometimes replays show more than just your battle.