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    B5 MOD Discussion Thread

    Hey there y'all! Havn't been here in a while. Good to see people are still around. And Warlords is still going. Finally got a copy of Maya, hopefully the plugins will work.

    I've been thinking about doing a B5 MOD for a while now. Got a few ideas. I've also got some pics of my new Starfury but I can't seem to include URL in this thread. Very odd.

    Anyway, on to the MOD. I was thinking of having the ISA, Earth Force and a Drahk/Centauri as the playable fleets. Not sure about the Drahk/Centauri though. Not many usable ships that I know of. Love a few sugesstions there.

    I'm also ansure how I'm going to manage the resource system. At first I was thinking of having mining bases were transports could dock to gather resources. Doesn't really make sense though. No motherships. So, I figure on something like DOW, capturing space stations and getting 'command points' while you control them. Any thoughts anyone?

    Now, onto the ship list....

    ISA:
    Minbari Sharlin (Commandship)
    - Can build Nials, Lintari's and maybe transports.
    - Can dock fighters
    - Can call reinforcments (Via hyperspace)
    Narn G'Quon (Support Carrier)
    - Can build Frazi's and Transports
    - Can dock fighters
    - Can call in Narn reinforcements (Dreadnaught and maybe some other non cannon ships)
    Xill
    Xorr
    Avioki
    - Adv. Sensors? Scout?
    Bluestar
    Whitestar
    - Can dock fighters

    EarthForce:
    Victory Adv. Detroyer (Commandship)
    - Can call reinforcments (Via hyperspace)
    Possiedon or Cotten Tender (Support Carrier)
    - Can build Starfury's, Thunderbolts, Maintaince Furys and shuttles.
    - Can dock fighters
    Omega Destroyer
    - Can dock fighters
    Hyperion
    Olympus?
    Warlock
    - Can call reinforcments (Via hyperspace)
    - Can Dock fighters

    Not sure about the Drahk/Centuri. The Carrier is too big (14km), as is the mother ship (30km) and there are only three cannon Centauri warships/fighters. Any ideas?

    Phew, my first post in months and months and it's a big one.
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    Hi!

    Do you have any models to put into HW2?

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    Have you played B5: Great wars on Hw1?

    You could include limited shadows in the Drahk fleet.
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    i think pictures cant be posted in the first post but you can post pics anytime after.

    crook before moving on provided starfury models for anyone wanting to try there luck at a B5 mod as long as credit was given.
    also for extra ships you could always look into the tabletop game done my mongoose publishing called B5: Call to Arms for designs.

    if your interested in some help i can make and hardpoint models but i cannot texture. i would not be able to do alot of work due to working on the pirates mod but i am willing to help.

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    Yeah, I'd suggest checking out the Great Wars mods for HW1, there were entire fleets for Narn and Centauri so you could use that for ideas. You can find them at http://www.b5mods.com/


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    Click on this button to add images to the post:

    At least some is going to do a HW2 mod with B5 ships in. I got a couple of B5 ships ready to be imported into HW2 but until the prog cfhodedit eventually gets a tutorial my B5 ships will be gathering virtual dust! I have other B5 ships,etc... but they have to be partially or fully re-texture mapped


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    2things 1 there is a hw1 mod with the centuri in it with a full shiplist. great wars i believe.
    second for the isa no brakiri ?

    wel love to see where this mod goes to

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    Hi Zeelich,

    Are you familiar with the Babylon 5 conversion for Descent: Freespace 2?

    http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?board=105.0

    Maybe you could ask them about using their models?

    Also why do you say the Drakh carrier and the Mothership are too big? They're not. Just look at the Warlords mod, the Executor is bigger than the carrier, and Evillejedi has already built the Eclipse, which is what, at least twice as big as the Executor.

    And if by 'too big' you mean they're much bigger than the Sharlin or the Victory, well, AFAIK the Mothership has almost no weapons.

    Anyway, best of luck with the mod
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    i posted the tabletop game link because those ships were used as base to make the fleets in the Great wars mod
    plus after the game switched companies they started adding more.

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    Thanks to everyone taking the time to reply. Thanks for the links too. I know all about GreatWars and Darkages MODs for HW1. They're what inspired me to do a HW2:B5 MOD. The Freespace and Call To Arms I didn't know about. Gonna look at them right now.

    No pics in the first post, huh? Very odd, but oh well. Thanks for letting me know.

    I havn't got any models ready, except the Starfury which is ingame and looking pretty good. And a WIP Omega Destroyer. I'll post some pics in a couple of minutes.

    I was gonna try and keep things canon, at least at first, but I might have to give that up for the Drahk/Centuari.

    I thought the Avioki was a Brakiri ship?

    Actualy, though I knew that EvilJedi had got the SSD and Eclipse ingame I havn't actually played them to see how they worked. My biggest fear is that they wont be very playable. I'm deffinatly going to check them out though. I guess I've also thinking of HW2 like HW1 which was limmited when it came to bigger ships. Gonna have to get over that.

    I might just take you up on that Thunderbolt, thanks.

    If you want Maxdamage I'd be happy to get those ships ingame. What ships have you got textured?

    Good to see there is interest in this MOD. Now, where are those pics....

    The WIP Omega Destroyer....


    And here is the Starfury ingame....








    What do ya think? Comments/critics welcome!
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    Oh, I just remembered. Can someone with lightwave skills render some images of the Crusade Jump Point anim for me? So I can make a new Hyperspace anim. .JPG format, around 20 images.

    Thanks.

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    Moving to Mods in Progress. *zap*
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    Btw Zeelich are you the same Zeelich from the starwars mod for hw1 from the gaminunion ?

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    check out this site too : http://b5coi.visupoint.com/
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    posted by Zeelich
    If you want Maxdamage I'd be happy to get those ships ingame. What ships have you got textured?
    I have the following B5 ships done:
    EA Shuttle 7566 faces (done textured)
    EA Explorer Class Ship Cortez 14800 faces (most of the ship has to be re-texture mapped)
    EA Warlock Destroyer Chronos 10723 faces(Has to be completely re-texture mapped}
    Narn Varn 'Nic ship 4528 faces (New main hull tex has to be done)
    Poseidon carrier 17886 faces (Has to be mostly re-texture mapped)
    Shadow Battlecrab 20138 faces (also has to be re-texture mapped)

    Long time no see Zeelich? You must go back to TGU and see the new forums .
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    I wish you the best of luck with this, any working B5 mod for HW2 will be most welcome. As for ships, have you given any thought to just dividing them up by Race? IE Creating playable factions out of the few major races?(similar to how the BSG mod has 4 different races, or SW:Warlords 3)

    Dividing them up that way makes for some great vs. action, and would be particularly good paired with a gametype similar to the "choose your fleet" method that SW: Warlords uses. However this might not be the best idea if you wish to keep the gameplay exactly the same as the vanilla HW2 game. The beauty of this system is that each race doesn't really need that many ships to be totally viable, and different races can even share some of the same ships. For example, you could have both the Earth Alliance and the Inter Stellar Alliance as playable races, even though they both share some of the same ships. This setup seemed to work very well in SW:Warlords with its 3 factions and i think would be perfectly suited here.

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    Why don't you invent some ships? like a new EA fighter
    The vaygr will rise once again!

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    Thats a stupid idea, Vagyr Admiral. I wont comment further on this, im just saying its a pretty stupid idea.

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    There is no need to invent.


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    Sorry for the OT, but:

    ZEELICH! Good to see you, mate. Darn, it has been a long time. A shame that TGU died, I have spend countless hours there, reading. I also loved SWNR, best Star Wars mod for HW1!

    Glad to see you around, I'm looking forward to your next mod.

    Oh, in case you are wondering: I was BattleKnight at the TGU forums. I have moderated the 144th Vanguard forum (the =V= clan).
    Formerly known as "BattleKnight".

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    wassent there a b5 mod a few years ago that was abandoed?

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    Yep. It was from TGU i believe, they had 2 ships ingame.

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    the TGU team that did the B5 mod for HW1 moved the HW2 when it came out, but never got anything more than a few screen shots out the door.

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    Yep, I'm THAT Zeelich Avathar, the one and only.

    Good to see you too Maxdamage. I knew the name was familar. New forums? I didn't know TGU was still going. Going to need to have a little look around. Can you email or upload those meshes? That would save me a heap of time. Havn't had much time this week, busy with real life stuff. I do have a couple of pics though....

    More WIP pics of my Omega....




    And the new fire-effect for the Starfury....


    Hmm, now that you mention it Tain I could always do both. I was already thinking of having different Game types for resourcing. I could have different 'fleet sets' for the game types too. Hmmm, I'm going to need to think about that. Although, neither the Narns nor the Centuari would stand much of a chance against the other powers (Minbari, Earth, Shadows, Vorlons) That's why I added them to the ISA and Drahk fleets. Hmmm, could always make thier ships cheaper.... Have to think about it.

    Hey, come on Ragnarokx, I want people to contribute. I want to hear everyones ideas. Good and bad. What about DarkAges MOD? Meurig47 invented some awesome ships. I don't think I have the imagaination though.

    Does anyone know a good sound editing program? A free one I mean. I want to record some sounds from the B5 DVDs. Oh, and tutorials, I've never done any sound editing before.
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    looking good so far how many polys on that omega ?

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    About 3000 so far.

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    Awesome to hear that, and great Omega mesh there Zeelich!

    Though i must strongly disagree with you on one point! The Centauri are, at least according to the background, the second strongest of the "younger" races. It is said that at their height, even the Minbari would not dare go to war with them. They posess the same type of drive systems (hence the winged/finned ships) as the minbari, as well as the same type of artificial gravity systems. (one of the only younger races other than the minbari to posess it, even the EA doesn't during the timeframe of the show). Now i am not quite sure what time period you are shooting for, but if it is during the time period of the Shadow war, or near it, the Centauri are actually far more powerful than the Earth Alliance, and would give even the Minbari a run for their money. The Narn are not to be underestimated either. They looted alot of weapon tech from the Centauri, and were able to build ships of enough power and quality to dissuade the Centauri from invading them again. The Centauri were only able to do it due to Shadow help.

    Again, it depends on the time period you choose, but right before the Shadow War started up, the race's power ranking by ship went something like this.

    Minbari ---> Centauri ---->EA->Narn-->League of Non-Aligned Worlds

    Just some food for thought

    (Oh and i can't wait to see your take on the Centauri Vorchan, i love that ship!)

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    centauri ships have very little armor and can't stand much punishment, it was shown again and again.

    But those ships are:

    Fast
    Have high-rate of fire

    and there are damn MANY of those ships. With centauri aim for quantity

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    Quote Originally Posted by vladimir3d
    centauri ships have very little armor and can't stand much punishment, it was shown again and again.

    But those ships are:

    Fast
    Have high-rate of fire

    and there are damn MANY of those ships. With centauri aim for quantity
    No ships in B5 that do not belong to the first ones have suviveability. This was shown numerous times. Every single race has lost multiple ships to single or double shots on numerous occasions, shots fired from non-first one ships. The fact remains is that Centauri ships, while lacking in survivability (like all minor race ships) are superior to all ships of the minor races save the Minbari, which they are not that far behind.

    If you want a "spam" race, it would be earth alliance. They have the weakest ships of any of the major powers. The Narn to a lesser extent too, though they pack more firepower into their cruisers than the EA does. Cenauri ships are more heavily armored AND better armed than every one elses's ships of the same class. The Centauri Primus > all younger race ships save the Sharlin, right up until the Warlock and Omega X hit the scene.

    If you want to be cannon, it would be:

    Minbari = Most powerful ships. Most expensive and slowest building.

    Centauri = Extremely powerful cruisers, with escort ships running the entire range of power. From weak to medium strong. Average pricing on all but their Cruisers, which are expensive.

    Narn = Average all around with their Heavy cruiser being above average in firepower.

    Earth Alliance = Respectable and plentiful. Fast building. Nothing extremely powerful but many things decently powerful. Good fighters.

    League = Too varied to outline.


    "Quantity over quality" Is exactly the opposite of the Centauri. They are a massive, decadent empire in decline, an empire that has existed for thousands of years. Their ships reflect this. They are few in number, but VERY well built. You have the centauri completely backwards.

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    Earth Alliance = Respectable and plentiful. Fast building. Nothing extremely powerful but many things decently powerful. Good fighters.
    Fair enough statement, but EA should have superior tech research as shown by the:


    Powerful ship that runs out of energy and requires a 1 min recharge, would be cool to have that in this mod.

    will the star fury fighters fly like they did in the series in that they can basically turn around instantly and out-fly any other ship?

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    Except that the Excalibur isn't EA tech - it's ISA tech.

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    Damn

    I get confused :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by CadianShocker
    Fair enough statement, but EA should have superior tech research as shown by the:


    Powerful ship that runs out of energy and requires a 1 min recharge, would be cool to have that in this mod.

    will the star fury fighters fly like they did in the series in that they can basically turn around instantly and out-fly any other ship?
    It is a most impressive ship, but as Daton said it is ISA not EA. It takes a minute to recharge because its weapon is Vorlon in origin. The ship is mostly minbari technology fitted into a human looking design.

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    The Excalibur is a powerful ship, but its looks ugly. I vote for most ugly ship ever.

    Why couldnt they make a proper cross between a Sharlin and an Omega ?

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    WHAT?

    I think she is very graceful, a gun with an engine, firing animation is funny too.

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    Its the third fin i think. Makes her look like a flying mace.

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    Zeelich! Great to see you man, makes it feel like old oooold times when I was waiting for the newest version of SWNR (You might remember me as Light Soldier from TGU forums )

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    Yeah, I remember, good to see a few people from back in the day are still around.

    Got some Omega updates, not much, but better than nothing....

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    VERY NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!

    keep up the good work. the omega will be firing its particle beams in no time

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    what are you talking about..... the Excalibur is the best ship ever and its not ugly

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    Oh hell yes. That Omega is sexy. Who needs a Victory-class flying stick when you can have those babies and Warlocks.

    Mmmhm Warlocks.

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    dont be dissin the Excalibur mon..... dont make me go upside your head

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    Face it.

    Omega-X >> Omega >>>>> Sharlin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victory

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    Omega X is an abomination, one of the ugliest ships to every blight a television screen and a hideous mockery of an otherwise fantastic design. Let us never speak of it again.

    As for the Victory vs. other ships, i would put it on par with a sharlin, not above it. Most of its technology is Minbari, and the Minbari are not going to donate their most advanced tech to the fledgling ISA, whereas the Sharlins are going to be packing the biggest and best of what the Minbari have to offer. Plus Sharlins carry Minbari fighters, which outclass starfuries by a good margin.

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    We are talking about pure visuals, not about tech or combat potential. Otherwise the Excalibur would top it all, unfortunally.

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    Nah, Excalibur is powerful but still wouldn't hold up to the Sharlin. If it uses its Main weapon, its dead in the water for a full minute. Plenty of Time for a Sharlin (or its remaining fighters on the off chance the Excalibur actually manages a fatal hit) to dice it to pieces. Lets not forget that other than its Vorlon "I am out of power now please kill me" main weapon, all its other weapons are either Minbari or Earth Alliance, all of which are going to be inferior to the Sharlin's. Its close enough to be a good fight, but as i said, Its most advanced normal tech is Minbari, and isn't going to be their top of the line.

    As for the visual thing.. I would rate her much lower. Shes one ugly ship.

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    Centauri = Extremely powerful cruisers, with escort ships running the entire range of power. From weak to medium strong. Average pricing on all but their Cruisers, which are expensive.
    dO WATCH THE FOLLOWING EPS:

    And now for a word
    Darkness Ascending
    Fall of the centauri prime
    and one more i forgot the name - where primus got wasted by 8 starfuries

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    I already addressed that. ALL younger races ships are paper tigers in B5. Every last one. We are talking relative strengths here. Please see "In the beginning" and just about every episode of B5 where a ship shoots at another one. The fact remains, the Centauri warships are superior, as has been stated before, to the ships of all the younger races save only the Minbari.

    Oh, and for reference, ships that have been destroyed in under 10 seconds by non first one weapons, one on one, on camera:

    EA Omega
    EA Nova
    EA Hyperion
    Minbari Sharlin
    Centauri Vorchan
    Narn G'quon Heavy Cruiser

    Under 5 seconds:
    EA Nova
    EA Hyperion
    Narn G'quan Heavy Cruiser

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tain
    ALL younger races ships are paper tigers in B5. Every last one. We are talking relative strengths here.
    Thanks. I am glad that this is relative strengths. It seems that every mod wants to make their ships tougher than the stock ships in game, even when those ships are supposed to exist in the pre-history of the HomeWorld universe.

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