ezekyle abaddon is kick-ass in horus rising, as are the rest of the lunar wolves captains
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ezekyle abaddon is kick-ass in horus rising, as are the rest of the lunar wolves captains
My neighbor has that book, and he's reading it right now. He's liking it a lot. I'm looking forward to giving it a go.I finished 'Lord of the Night' by Si Spurrier a few days ago.
HIGHLY reccommended.
If you like Simon Spurrier's writing style, hunt down a copy of 'Fire Warrior'. It's my favorite WH40k book to date.
Yeh, I'll probably try FW now that I'm a Si Spurrier fan.
Well i managed to run inside a GW store earlier whilst covering my face and spraying random people with mace....
I wasnt realy impressed by what i saw novel wise until i noticed Dan's section.
Horus rising, last copy in the store!!! yus!
Should have it read by this time tommorrow if its anything like the quality of gaunts books.
Yip, once i start an Abnett book the story claws at me mind till i finish it.
I've recently finished Dan Abnetts Double Eagle, and its a refreshing change from the 40k norm. It comprehensivley covers an usually neglected field of 41st century combat-Air warfare. I'd recommend it to anyone who's already got some fluff experience, but to newcomers it may be a bit overwhelming.
I've read maybe 10 of the books. By far the best would be Eisenhorn. Best series ever. I liked as much as some stuff I've read by Michael Criton+Dan Brown.
im an avid reader of the bl books heres my top lis
1) eisenhorn trilogy- no coments nesseccary the books speak for themselves
2) grey knights and dark adeptus- both great books about a justicar named alaric and his battles against daemons great plot and great twists
3) last chancer sieries- great tale of a penal legion and the terrors it has to face colenol schaffer leads them fearlessly through death worlds armegeddon and assembles a kill team to kill rouge and oustanding tau general great read and keeps you till the end
#308
"dark adeptus" is also about Alaric? Got to get that book!
Actually, I am quite surprised at how well 'Faith and Fire' is turning out. I was a bit dubious when I bought it as some of the reviews of James Swallows' previous works have been marginal at best, its quite well written and explores much of the religous and ecclesiarchal (sp?) aspects of a fanatically dogmatic Imperial world.
Plus, its got Battle Sisters!
Don't worry, the Sister Hospitaller character of Verity is not an annoying twat.
One thing, though, I don't think the Battle Sisters speak very much like real women would, as in Swallow may have needed to practive writing from female points of view a bit more.
Then again, any conversation between Space Marines in alot of 40k is pretty rigid and impersonal anyways,
Ive finished Horus Rising in under a week!! And boy this book was a good read!! i recommend it big time!!
How is Ravenor? I picked it up yesterday.
I'm sort of alternating between reading WH40k books and reading various zombie novels I've accumulated lately. I just finished 'Death or Glory' (4th Ciaphas Cain book) a couple days ago. Right now I'm halfway through 'Cell' by Stephen King, and then I'll be reading 'Ghostmaker', the second Gaunt's Ghosts novel.
I just got the collected omnibus edition of the Last Chancers books (roughly $8 on Amazon.com! I couldn't turn it down). It's now in the reading queue.3) last chancer sieries- great tale of a penal legion and the terrors it has to face colenol schaffer leads them fearlessly through death worlds armegeddon and assembles a kill team to kill rouge and oustanding tau general great read and keeps you till the end
That's part of what made the two Blood Angels books difficult for me to read. I kept saying to myself, "no real person talks like this". Shit, the dialogue in the Dawn of War books was leaps and bounds ahead of the dialogue in the Blood Angels books, in my opinion.Then again, any conversation between Space Marines in alot of 40k is pretty rigid and impersonal anyways,
Does anybody who has read horus rising think this?
bkehhg
That the marines have alot of god damned personal spare time and over all freedom compared to modern marines? I take it after the herresy the IoM etc.. clamped right down on marines habits as that was what led party to the heresey?"]
KhorneBerzerker:
I started reading Ravenor after I finished Eisenhorn (I would recommend Eisenhorn first since some of the the charactors carry over. Ravenor is actually I a really good I read, it moves very quick you may finish and expect more or maybe that was just me since I read Eisenhorn before Ravenor and Eisenhorn is about 3x longer then Ravenor which is understandable. I've actually started on Ravenor Returns a week ago (I'm sorta milking Ravenor Returns because I can't get to another bookstore for another 2 weeks since I'm in the middle of no where. I can't wait to read Horus Rising.
I started reading "Grey Knights" and until now i've loved it, Alaric as a GK has the markings of great leader but also he shows that even a GK has doubts... I recomend the book to everyone...
1) The Inquisition War Trilogy by Ian Watson -kinda dated (it has a freakin squat as one of the main characters) but just a damned good scifi trilogy in general whether one digs 40k or not
2) Shadow Point by Gordon Rennie -best BL book about the Eldar ever
3) Angels of Darkness by Gav Thorpe -any Dark Angels fan needs to read this now
I'm a huge Daemonhunters fan (my other TT army) but I still haven't read Grey Knights yet. And I thought Deathwing was the finest anthology I ever read out of the BL.
#317
Just read the first chapter of Grey Knights. Its fucking awesome, I can tell this is gonna be a great book!
#318
I found GK to be a bit repetetive and inconsistent at times (GKs are flled by a couple of lasguns at one point, whilst weathering Heavy weapons and daemonic acids at another, and the fight scenes get pretty old, fast).
Gaunt's Ghosts main problem is that Abnett really doesn't know how to treat SMs.
First off, rank-and-file IG seem to know not only of the fact that CSMs (and for that matter, normal SMs) exist, but they also know what gods each legion follows and the precise designation of each legion. They also appear to have super-lasguns that can take down a bezerking world eater in a couple of shots (in reality, you would probably need a Lascannon to put a berzerker down for the count. Other marines would be more susceptible, but could still tolerate far more than a lasgun volley from an Ig squad).
Also, the Ghosts survive against utterly ludicrous odds (9 Guardsmen against a couple of hundred Chaos Cultists).
Abnett also confuses bolters and autoguns in that series quite frequently (a bolter would annihilate a flakboard wall, dammit!) and often has rank-and-file cultists wielding boltguns.
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half way through Horus Rising, and I have to say, that this is one of the finest pieces of Science Fiction literature I have had the honor to read. He makes the world so vibrant, that of the 31st Millinium. And the Marines, he makes them seem somewhat more Human. And the speecha bout Religion twords the begining of the book is flooring for something of sci-fi ness. I read it aloud and it sounded great. It's simply beautiful writing.
Well Ive read Horus Rising twice through now. I read books quickly, and if I like it I re-read it more carefully. The end of chapter 2 was ecspecialy good. If you have read it already I suggest reading just that part again. Also, almost every word out of the iterators mouth is ironic in some form heh.
The best part of this series is that you dont have to wait 10-12 months for Abnett to finish the 2nd book. According to the Black Library the second book is already finished and coming out in june. Unfortuantly it isnt wirtten by Abbnett. The 2nd book in this series is by Graham McNiel (of the Ultra Marines novels). Considering the shamless pimping Games Workshop usualy does they didnt put 1 add in Horus Risnig for the second book, which is a bit odd.
Kadaj is right - Dan Abnett is the best 40k authorOriginally Posted by Kadaj
Best book - Necropolis
Close 2nd - Eisenhorn Trilogy (prob 2nd one forget which one that is)
Closeish 3rd - Annihalation Squad
#322
Ghostmaker was an abomination to WH40K. The last 1/4th appears to have been penned by an intoxicated C.S. Goto. It's as if it was written before Abnett knew anything of fluff, logic, or realism, and then republished.
The other books where pretty decent, but Eisenhorn transcended them all by an order of magnitude.
Oh, come on now. Although it wasn't by far an easy read, it wasn't that bad. Also, Sucks that the second Horus Rising wont be by Abnett. He has such tallent..
#324
Ghostmaker was as bad as DeathWatch.
1. Abnett confused Boltguns with Autoguns (unless all cannon-fodder cultists are armed with boltguns, and flakboard can now resist concentrated boltgun fire).
2. Every Imperial Guardsmen not only knew of the true cultprits behind the Horus Heresy (traitorous SMs), not to mentioned the fact that SMs definitely existed (and where not legends), but also knew the precise designation and affilitition of the Traitor Legions (that, or the Tanith have taken a course in Khornology),
3. A lasgun volly from a single squad of guardsmen caused a bezerking World Eater to explode .
4. A couple of squads of guardsmen killed 1 or 2 squads worth of World Eaters with ease and in only a 1 or 2 vollies.
5. About 9 guardsmen held out against a horde of several hundred equally armed Chaos Cultists with barely any casualties.
6. 60 guardsmen killed 2.4 thousand traitor troops (out of several hundred thousand) as they charged into their lines to reach an ancient ruin. No Space Marines, Alpha-Level Psykers, Titans, armoured support, aerial support, Living Saints, Primarches, or Deus Ex Machina uber-items of eternal dhoom! where present. In addition, the entire enemy army was quite awake and in mid-siege, so they didn't just stab them in their beds.
It's like he hired C.S. Goto to write it for him!
I've already read Eisenhorn. It was good, but not seemingly God-Like Uber Book like most people think it is around here. People seem to hail Dan Abnett as a god around here.
I just finished Storm of Iron but i still dont get what happend to Gaurdsman Hawke.
Horus rising and eisenhorn are okay, and some of the 40k books are good, but IMO, none of them are as good as the gotrek and felix series
cant wait for orcslayer (though its not by william king)
I just finished Storm of Iron but i still dont get what happend to Gaurdsman Hawke.About Guardsman Hawke
If you read Dead Sky Black Sun you will be able to figure out what happens to Guardsman Hawke. Leonid and his Sergeant are captured by the Iron Warriors, along with the remains of the Jouran 383rd Dragoons at the end, which you see. They are in the next book along with Honsou and another surprising appearance from Storm of Iron.
Without spoiling the ending of Dead Sky Black Sun, I can tell you this. Remember in Storm of Iron the 'detox' pills given to the regiment by the Adeptus Mechanicus? Well remember what the Imperial Fist Captain said about them? It wasn't idle banter, those 'detox' pills were slow acting poision that cause numerous cancers. All of the regiment was long since doomed by their own Magi.
So basically, to answer your question. Unless treated, Hawke will die of various cancers, whether it's curable or not... not sure anyone knows.
Rough hands shook him awake and he grunted in pain as he felt himself being dragged to his feet. He tried to open his eyes but they were gummed with dust. All he could make out were blurred yellow forms and shouted qeustions. Shapes either side of him held him upright as an insistent voice nagged on at him. What...?' he slurred. What is your name? reapeted the voice. Hawke he managed Gaurdsmn Hawke serial number 25031971 who the hell are you? Sergeant Vermaas of the Imperial Fists strike cruiser Justitia Fides said a voice in front of him. He felt hands lifting his dog-tags from beneath his uniform jacket. Hawke blicked his eyed and turned his head seeing two giants in yellow power armour either side of him a third standing before him without his helmet. Even in his exhausted state Hawke recognised Space Marines and wept in relied when he saw the boxy shape of a Thunderhawk gunship sitting on the plain behind them. Where is Captian Eshara? demanded Vermaas. Who? Brother-Captian Alaric Eshara commander of the Imperial Fists Third Company. Never heard of him said Hawke. Vermaas nodded to the Imperial Fists on either side of him and Hawke was marched roughly towards the gunship as the Space Marines Boarded ahead of him.
By the sound of that he either had a before death dream or is with the Iperial fists. Yes i have read Dead Sky Black Sun.
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Guardsman Hawke
Odds are high that it wasn't a dream. The Imperial Fists would come looking for an entire lost company of their brothers, this is without question. Since the planet was so barren to begin with (thanks to Adeptus Mechanicus), it shouldn't of been difficult to find Hawke on the planet.
The real question that I don't think anyone can answer for sure is whether or not there was a cure for the toxins that were seeping through his system for the better part of a decade in his service of the Jouran Dragoons.
The only real indiction of what could happen to him is what happens to Leonid and his Sergeant (I forget his name off hand, starts with an E) in the next book. It's not clear how long after the events of Storm of Iron that Dead Sky Black Sun takes place, but my bet is a few years. Given the serious nature of the cancers eatting away at the two Guardsmen, it's safe to say the vile poision is a potent one, so whether or not Hawke could be treated, is the real question.
So the answer to your original question is this, in my eyes:
Guardsman Hawke lived to get off that accursed planet, thanks to the Imperial Fists, yet I personally don't believe he lived much more than a few years afterwards. In all likelihood he died of cancer years later.
Of course that's my opinion, no one knows for sure, except Graham McNeil.
He probably got mind-scrubbed and made into a servitor for the Imp. Fists.
#332
Dark Adeptus, the sequel to the great Grey Knights (both by Ben Counter) arrived yesterday. I've read about 70~ pages and I have to say the "intro" part isn't as good as the Grey Knights one. It seems to be lacking in the whole terrifyingly-powerful-daemon-coming-to-rape-the-Galaxy feel.
Its not bad though, just not as good so far as the first book. I don't doubt though that it will get a lot better.
-Adam
about the 2.4 thousand dead bit...
The chaos forces were assulting a dug in postion and did not expect any attack from any angle...
Gaunt and Co. charged into the rear of the chaos forces firing on auto...
realisticly by the time any chaos worshipper noticed the ghosts he would probably already have several lasguns firing at him.
Catch a crowd off gaurd and its pretty easy to cut right through them in the panic.
#334
Yes, but in most instances, the Ghosts where outnumbered 100:1 or greater. In addition, whilst the intial suprise would have resulted in some casualties, the Ghosts would have been overwhelned very swiftly. Esepcially since some Chaos troops are guarenteed to have grenades or HWs. Once the Cultists and Traitors regrouped, they easily could have counterattacked en masse against Gaunt's comparitively miniscule band. For #2, not even an SM strike force would have survived.
Ok, so i was looking at getting into the W40K novels, but i have no clue where to start, i know there are a few W40K fans here so hoping that one of you guys might have a suggestion of what books to start with.
#336
depends on what you're interested in.
If you like to know the Inquisition get Eisenhorn.
If you like Chaos get Storm of Iron (it also features SM and IG).
If you like Demon Hunters get Grey Knights and Dark Adeptus.
If you want insight in the society and warfare of the IG get Ciaphas Caine novels or Gaunts Ghosts.
If you want SM kick the asses of others get the Ultramarines Omnibus and Spacewolves Saga.
If you want to know how it all began start with the Horus Rising series.
EDIT: i nearly forgot AVOID C.S.GOTO he works for the forces of chaos!
Is there a novel list of all the novels, if possible i would like to start reading the novels in a chronoligical order. And i don't really have a prefrence on a faction.
http://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer40000.asp
Thats the Black Library's entire catologue for 40K, and as for an order, there is none. Time in the 40k universe is an nebulous concept. But I would agree with Raftaman, avoid Goto like the plague, the majority of his works stink, even by the relatively low standards of the Black Library.
So i guess i can just pick one series and start with that then?
Pick a topic then pick up a series.
Most people here say C.S. Goto doesnt stick to the fluff too well. Despite that fact, Ive found both of his books to be pretty entertaining and have pre-ordered the 3rd in the series. They are good books if you want to hear about the WH40k universe revolving around Space Marines but arent too fussed whether the correct fluff is used.
If you have no preferences, I suggest the Gaunt's Ghosts series. The first book is called "First and Only". Dan Abnett kicks ass.
The Eisenhorn trilogy is excellent. Apart from being a great read it gives you plenty of info on the Inquisition, how Inquisitors operate and also gives you a nice look at what life is like on different planets. (Gudrun, Thracian, Eechan) Gaunts Ghosts series are nice too. Storm of Iron is a great look at a Chaos attack and is filled with carnage. Deathwing and Dark Imperium are nice too, as they give you short stories instead of cramming too much into your head at once.
boasts a healthy stool
The book I say to avoid is: The Inquisition War Trilogy
It has some interesting facts such as Terra and the Golden Throne, but after reading I wasn't very impressed.
Let the Galaxy Burn is, like, the ultimate anthology and has stories relating to just about everything important to the setting. So if you're looking for a 'starter' I can't think of anything better (other than the rulebook).
Holy Shit. Another person who thinks Goto isn't as bad as everyone says. I'm enjoying the DoW novel.Most people here say C.S. Goto doesnt stick to the fluff too well. Despite that fact, Ive found both of his books to be pretty entertaining and have pre-ordered the 3rd in the series. They are good books if you want to hear about the WH40k universe revolving around Space Marines but arent too fussed whether the correct fluff is used.
the original DOW novel is decent enough. it's DOW: Ascension, Warrior Brood & Warrior Coven that are crap.Holy Shit. Another person who thinks Goto isn't as bad as everyone says. I'm enjoying the DoW novel.
I'm the guy who names his teams after classical Greek epic literature
#347
SOUL DRINKERS Omnibus is coming next year (january.07)!!
preordered it already!
Do you guys know if i can get the Eisenhorn trilogy in the U.S without having to pay a fortune to have it brought over from the U.K cause i cant find it any any local bookstores or flea markets.
Hastings sells the paperback Eisenhorn Trilogy. At least in my town. Do they sell Eisenhorn hardbacks?
You know the sad part about me is i live 600 miles from the nearest battle bunker. so for me the hobby can get "very" expensive.
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