Direct X 10 PatchCompany of Heroes should get the DirectX 10 patch by the end of March 2007
Excellent News! Good to hear Relic on the forefront and providing continued support
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Direct X 10 PatchCompany of Heroes should get the DirectX 10 patch by the end of March 2007
Excellent News! Good to hear Relic on the forefront and providing continued support
/care, i wont get Vista untill all drivers are supported and SP1 is released so they fix their bugs.
now fix damnd bugs in coh too
Vista is going to be an absolute disaster until at least SP1. I agree with Virtual. I'm not buying into all the DX10 hype.
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Oh yeah, that's true.Originally Posted by Virtual
Win XP Pro work so nice and stable to me, that I really doubt that I'm gonna need any new OS for at least the following 1-2 years.
Be interesting to see how better it looks on 10, not like i will be playing it on vista for a while.
I think it's great :x.
I dont care about DirectX10 and Vista for the next 1-1 1/2 Years. CoH looks great on my machine at the moment. But i think i will switch to Vista with the next comp upgrade cycle in 1 1/2 year.
I'm mixed about the whole DX10 topic. I went a head and picked up a 8800gtx, since I was building a new system anyways and the performance gain over the 79xx series was enough to convince me.
The thing I don't like is how Microsoft is blackmailing us gamers into purchasing vista for dx10. There is absolutely nothing I want out of vista except dx10. I've been using the betas as they were available, and I'm not impressed at all with the OS.
The DRM alone scares the heck outta me. What's gonna happen if I play one of my mp3s while gaming? Am I still gonna suffer the diminished graphics because my mp3 doesn't contain playforsure drm?
I would be impressed if the developers switched to an open format like opengl, so games are available for most OSes. I really have a gnawing feeling that this OS is gonna flop worse the ME did. If I was a developer, I would not be putting all my eggs in one basket. At least CoH runs and looks beautiful in dx9.
Word.
You summed up exactly what I was feeling.
Vista looks like it could be great, perhaps even better than XP. But, as with all Microsoft OS, they need time to fully develop well after they have been released. Of course, I can still probably get a personal copy of Vista from my college for about $30, so I'll probably get it there so I at least have it when necessary.
DX10 looks great and all, but until Vista has matured, it's best to avoid anything of the sort.
#11
I'm thorougly enjoying most of Vista RC1. I think Microsoft has crafted their best OS yet. Is it as good as other operating systems? I don't know, but it's certainly their best.
Now, driver support is a whole different issue. Nvidia's drivers are sucking ass so far, and so are Creative's. Software and driver compatibility and performance will be the biggest issue with Vista.
How you can say this is the best OS yet and say the following in the same post is beyond me. Software and driver compatibility and performance are ALL an OS has to do.
Software and driver compatibility and performance will be the biggest issue with Vista.
I tested various Vista beta's, and running RC2 atm.
It recognized all my hardware except the tv-card which I got working anyway.
Applications start much faster, browsers start in less then 0 second.
Both IE7 and FF start as soon as I click on the icon.
Browsing itself seems faster too.
And FINALLY networking works without crashing.
As Uberjumper stated before.. Nvidia's driver suck ass.
When trying to run CoH it seems to have a memory problem, when I scrolled alot the fps went down the drain, while in XP it runs like a breeze.
With the previous drivers CoH even made it do a BSOD..
MCE..
kinda useless unless you have a 22"+ monitor and remote.
WMP11 .. first WMP that's good. I really like it over winamp.
Comparing it to iTunes is like... omgwtfbbq I don't understand that people never whine about it.. iTunes makes my skin crawl.
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fldash:
Perhaps I posted in a manner that was confusing.
Microsoft doesn't write the driver software, the hardware vendors do. Microsoft's done their part, it's the hardware folks that need to do theirs now.
Riithi:
I experimented with the game settings in CoH the other night, and it looks like the biggest hit to performance is upping the terrain detail. Leaving Terrain detail at low (and vegetation) and it peforms as well as it does in XP.
Uberjumper: Okay, I understand what you are saying now. But aren't the overall system requirements for Vista higher. Of course applications are going to start faster when you have higher specs. Firefox and IE start immediately for me in XP, but I also have 2 gig of memory. I'm just playing devil's advocate here because I don't think we should be forced to Vista for DX10.
#16
I'm not an expert on DirectX 10 by any means, but it's quite possible that Microsoft's made some core changes to the operating system (Vista) that makes DX10 Vista only.
From what I hear, Vista consumes/wastes a ton of resources. There are security flaws all over that thing. Vista is just a ploy to help Microsoft's dwindling bottom line and increase the value of their stock.
@Riithi Less than 0 seconds? So is Vista magical like the iPhone (Steve Jobs called the iPhone magical)? So with Vista everytime you open an application you go back in time?
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Vista RC1 certainly isn't as efficient as Windows XP. I'm hoping the memory footprint will be much lower in the released version.
There's been one identified security flaw that I'm aware of (possibly others) but saying that there are security flaws all over it may be a *tad* inflammatory :-D
A ploy to help Microsoft's Dwindling bottom line? Dude, Microsoft is ROLLING in cash, and they've still got desktop dominance that will carry on for years, if not decades to come. This product is just the next one of many for them, like any company that sells stuff.
Their stock price is quite a bit lower than it normally has. And yes, that's what companies do - sell products or services, and I'm not arguing that or even arguing that it's wrong, but obviously they're trying to boost stock prices. Also, all those bottom of the line computers everyone buys aren't going to be able to run Vista, so it boosts the whole computer industry.
Vista is the worst block of bullshit MS has released so far.
Don't believe the hype.
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Vista stores most used programs in your RAM speeding things up alot.
So instead from the hdd you load your browser from the RAM. In case you had not opened any yet.
So on the moment I click the firefox button it's up.
When I try the same in XP it takes some time more
Last edited by Riithi; 19th Jan 07 at 4:06 PM.
Virtual memory is hard disk space... Are you sure you know what you are talking about?
Such anti vista talk... tut tut
Non-Dx10 cards willl definitely do worse in vista on Dx9 games, but Dx10 cards "are" performing just as well (and sometimes better) than on XP. As some of you will already know, there is a leaked Dx10 Vista drive from Nvidia, this is months old but benchmarks from it are where I get my conclusion from.
Hmmmm. I have been using Vista since mid last summer and was pretty happy with RC2 and the final release (using final rev of Ultimate now). As someone already stated, driver support is still an issue but that is the vendor's problem, not MS.
Having said the above, I really couldn't recommend it until a possible SP1 as, by then, I would assume and hope most vendors will be in line with driver and software support. That and any major bugs will hopefully be resolved. I also can't imagine going the upgrade path, from XP to Vista, on all but the newest of machines. Unless you are buying a new machine that has it preloaded, don't bother.
Pff I made an error.. so what?Virtual memory is hard disk space... Are you sure you know what you are talking about?
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fldash: he knows, it is faster because the virtual memory is specifically set on the hard drive and faster for windows to find as it has to do less seek calls.
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Come on guys, can you not see the wink smiley? Good heavens.
I've been running various releases of Vista, and the only problem I've had are drive issues which MS can't really be responsible for. It's a nice OS and when my copy of Premium arrives I'll be using it on my primary system assuming drivers are available.
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#30
Actually I would say that MS is very responsible for the drivers because they broke backwards compatibility with existing drivers. Granted, it has to be done, but at the end of the day when you report your financial losses to the shareholders you can't very well claim that it's not your fault that complementary products by essential partners weren't on the ball.
As far as MS's bottom line goes, I would say that MS is actually in a fight for their lives these days particularly because of companies like Google. Virtually everyone by now has heard of firefox, it won't be too long now before people start considering possible alternatives to Office (especially when google rolls out their own stuff). You probably have noticed that whenever MS, Google or Yahoo comes out with one thing the other companies always follow suit - it's a battle to explore new markets and MS is doing very poorly at it. IBM was once a tech giant rolling in cash too, a few antitrust and bad business decisions later plus the rise of Dell has pretty much meant that you don't really have anything made by IBM on your computer anymore at all.
DX10 is not an upgrade to dx versions we are using. It is a completely rebuilt application which is why you won't see it available for any earlier windows versions.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200..._gaming/1.html
Um, IBM is still a major competitor, and basically the backbone of the computer industry. They make processors and components for EVERYONE. Just because you don't see them as the ones making tech advances doesn't mean they aren't making money. For example, my dad works in a testing company and we're doing pretty well. It's not just the guys making headlines who get the business.
#33
You realize that IBM was once synonymous with personal computer; IBM did not get out of the PC making business because there was no market, to the contrary they were quite readily driven out by smaller new comers.
I will grant you your point about IBM still being a big player though
Last edited by Mac_Bug; 19th Jan 07 at 9:35 PM.
I'm not biased towards any other systems as I currently run linux, Windows 98, XP, and OSX from all of my computers. My opinion is that Vista is a piece of sh*t.
Having the DRM disable certain drivers just because Microsoft deams them as insecure is almost just as bad as the Gestapo. Here's an example: Say you bought a brand new 30 in' monitor that is HD ready and you hooked it up to your computer. Chances are that the picture you recieve on your new monitor won't be HD.
I would recommend that everyone read this which was posted by fldash which validates why you should be concerned about Vista:http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut0.../vista_cost.txt
Honestly, just the fact that they're selling Vista for $400 a copy is a put-off for me. The fact that in 2-3 years my processor will be obsolete again and I'll need a DX10 card, along with Vista, is a $1000 upgrade that doesn't seem worth it right now. I won't be getting it until absolutely necessary, and that may be never. The way PC gaming is going (more graphics, same gameplay, more upgrades) I'd rather get a Wii than a DX10 card at this point. I've played on a Wii. It's damn fun.
It is only 400 dollars for Ultimate. If not other then Premium which is only 30 dollars more then XP Home. (Granted it's rough equivalent is MCE.)
Edit: Rebel are you talking about HDCP? Your monitor is already HD. (Atleast mine is.)
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Ah, okay. That's a bit more reasonable. Ultimate is the one with all the networking/tracking/protection features built in, right? Still though, that's a $300-400 upgrade for Vista gaming, assuming I keep my processor and memory...
Ultimate is what I am getting. The best analogy I can give would be imagine MS putting out a version of XP that has all the features of Home, Media Center Edition, Tablet PC edition, and Professional edition all in one. That is more or less what Ultimate is.
http://winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_02.asp This is a more detailed break down of the features and pricing. Personally I recommend getting Home Premium or better. Basic is fine thought if you want to save money in the short term as you can always upgrade to the other versions.
MS has a feature in Vista where at any time you can upgrade to another version of Vista. So say you do want Ultimate but cash is tight (when isn't it after all) but you don't have the cash for Business or Home Premium either. You can buy Basic for 100~200 and upgrade to Premium, Business, or Ultimate whenever you have the spare cash.
#39
You can purchase a copy of Ultimate, and then be able to purchase copies of Premium edition for 50 dollars.
Do the math and that's awesome for people like me who have 3 or more computers in the house that they need operating systems for.
Wait... no unified driver support... im already turned off form vista until that is settled.. i remember back in win95-98 where i needed to find the EXACT driver for every piece of hardware I had... that was a pain in the ass. No you need driver xx.xx.x not xx.xx.xx !
It's times like this I'm glad to be a Microsoft Partner with a subscription to the Microsoft Action Pack...
https://partner.microsoft.com/40013779
I should be getting 10 licenses for Vista Business Edition any day now.
Running a computer sales business out of your "garage" has it's perks!
I'm playing games on PC as long as XP is around. Vista means quit in my dictionary, that's quit PC gaming. Of course there will be lots of people using Vista but I'm not one of them...
I thought this thread was about DX10?!
But without any DX10 screeny it's kinda. empty just some M$ bashing.
Come on Relic show us some great stuff...
well as stated (or not) before, DX10 doesn't just mean prettier pixels. It also means better performance.
As a matter of fact, DX10 in comparison with DX9 isn't as much of a quantum leap in terms of visuals as DX9 was with DX8. DX10 is all about making things prettier than before, but with better efficiency and performance.
As far as I know, everything Relic will add in with the DX10 is/was indeed possible with DX9, but with the result of detrimental performance.
#45
Ok people, we're done here.
Whiler there certainly is not enough microsoft bashing in this thread yet, it has ventured offtopic after post #1.
Technical discussions on Vista are better suited in the Workshop, DX10 CoH features are elevated guessing at best. So let's move on and discuss something else, thank you.
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