Thats more like it, just what we need. But I think Axis should for once get a catastrophic glitch, like Tiger tank's shot disable all vehicle engines with one shot and ignores armor, only to see it get hotfixed fast cause Axis has it
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Thats more like it, just what we need. But I think Axis should for once get a catastrophic glitch, like Tiger tank's shot disable all vehicle engines with one shot and ignores armor, only to see it get hotfixed fast cause Axis has it
#452
Maybe we could have pumas crush TankTraps™ =D.
maybe engineers should get an option that's called "set up atomic bomb." it would be like uber demolitions
#454
Give a option to upgrade a stuka with a ICBM as a secret weapon of the reich.
Thats reserved for the "Japanese" Expansion....maybe engineers should get an option that's called "set up atomic bomb." it would be like uber demolitions
Dont spoil the design team dude...
Oh goody, a contest!
Let's see: which allied unit(s) that nobody even complained about before do you think will be buffed this time out of the blue?
I say riflemen. Since they will be giving a (token) nerf to Suppressing Fire, they'll make vanilla Rifles stronger to compensate.
Or maybe the Jeep will have an increased stealth detection radius?
Swooping Hawk: Is there a secret underground cult of British faction haters?
Quercus: Of course there isn't. Nothing secret about it at all.
You are on the wrong track Doc C. Make the Jepp cloakable whould be the reason.damm we get in trouble for this....
#458
I think the sherman is going to be really buffed. As it is never used (only because there is 2 other imba options that are better, but the balance team will fail to realize that).
you bet. the sherman will be as fast as the M10
I would think gamers would be over the excitement of a new patch considering the results of the numerous previous attempts...we should all be bracing ourselves for the unexpected; granted i dont know the resources allocated to the patch (in time and personnel) if the QA team is anything like the balance team then one could be expected to be quite cynical. If this patch disappoints then it will be obvious that Relic did not and does not listen to the concerns, opinions and experiences of their customers, the most dedicated of which post their opinions on these forums (and GR), and the most experienced of which have been playing the game for a long time...particularly those that are highly ranked online.
Granted alot of us have probably played SC and WC, the fact that the balance team was promoted to have had substantial experience in these games did not instill me with great confidence. SC/WC are totally different and if the balance team were not CoH gurus then they should not be the ones putting the seal of approval on balance changes. I would much prefer it come from a consensus of current top level players (on both sides) whenever a new patch is required.
EDIT....sorry to interrupt the fun.....but i cant even think what is going to get buffed or nerfed anymore :P
You put it rusty..that is my greates fear ( gaming related, not thinking about terrorists, global warming, birdflue, wrong alcohol usage, drugs...ect...) As i said before...the forums whould implode....But isent the fun part the speculation about what they might have done ? If they come up with..."well, we found out that spamming Volks with mp40 is totaly unbeatable and we destroied axis tier one for that ?....i dont know...
Its the "i dont know" part that makes me worry....
Back to random imbas:
-Engineer deaths will be replaced with V-1 explosions.
-Sherman MGs will be replaced with flamethrowers (All the MGs, including the two already present on the tank)
-Puma upgun will actually remove the weapon from the Puma entirely
-Crocodiles will be able to fly
-Riflemen will get Grenade Assault
-AT guns will get cloak ability & cost reduction
Wow, this is fun!
not really..it whould *finalize* the game...Wow, this is fun!
HA HA!
Some random changelog notes:
-The design team was not happy with volksgrenadiers actually hitting anything. Clearly this was not intended and has been changed to work as intended.
-The nebelwerfer is considerably nerfed, the last patch made it too effective.
-Riflemen&Airborne can now jump over sandbags. Axis infantry is deemed to be too fat to do such a feat and Rangers too useless. (They have yet to tie up their laces)
-The M10 now comes equiped for a lawnmower to better reflect it's new purpose as an anti infantry tank
Company of Heroes Release Notes
=====================================================================
v1.60 05/01/2007
General Fixes & Features
- Fixed AI bug that caused retreated units to gather closely around the HQ.
- Worldbuilder now shows territory properly.
- Fixed a crash that occurred while loading old files.
- Fixed a bug in crew switching during AT gun movement.
- Fixed a graphical bug in the replay menu.
- Fixed a bug with unit weapon slots after dropping two weapons.
- Fixed a crash bug when launching saved games from Windows Explorer in Vista.
- Fixed multiplayer maps not drawing boundary lines after a performance test.
- Anti-hacking systems have been integrated.
- Tiger Ace with wreck mesh has been fixed.
- Fog of War can be toggled on and off during Replays in the Replay Menu.
- Scenario packs will show UI images and loading screen.
- Recorded game files no longer saved to disk until after the game.
- Fixed timed ability not triggering on all selected squads.
- Fixed a bug that caused the Panzerschreck to misfire.
- Hyperlinking support added to news items.
- Addfriend and Removefriend commands are now disallowed in game.
Online Fixes & Features
- Players can now see the number of “dropped” games in the player profile screen. (See note below)
- Performance improvements for lobby game pings.
- Performance bar improvements.
- Fixed a rare crash occurrence in the lobby.
- “Play Now” button is disabled if in dev mode or any mods are active.
- Implemented dropping fixes.
- Player ability levels are matched more evenly during automatch.
* “Drops” is actually the count of the games you have been in that the server had to *
* arbitrate the results for. The following things cause arbitration; kicking somebody *
* for lag, having a sync error, “drop-hacking”, and certain kinds of internet *
* connection problems. Players should be aware that all of these things will affect *
* the players trust score. *
Global
- Units using Barbed Wire Cutters are now significantly more susceptible to damage while cutting barbed wire.
- Squads building barbed wire are now capped at two builders per squad.
- Wire cutters are now provided to all players at the start of the game.
- All Anti-Tank Guns have a reduced chance to hit moving infantry targets.
Gameplay Bug Fixes
- Route N13 ambient building repositioned so troops no longer become stuck when exiting.
- Axis Inspired Assault UI indicator will now last as long as the ability is still active.
- Axis Sniper now obtains suppression resistance and a health bonus at second level veterancy.
- Axis Stormtroopers will now come out of camouflage while retreating.
- Removed manpower upkeep cost from mines.
- Axis Advanced Warning Commander Tree Ability no longer applies sight bonuses to Axis Vehicles.
- Axis Grenadier and Stormtrooper squads can continue purchasing weapons packages regardless of the number of times they’ve dropped them.
- All small ambient buildings will now display on the minimap while garrisoned or controlled.
- Allied M3 Halftrack and Jeep armor is no longer highly resistant to projectile ammunition.
- Changed the requirements to use Offmap Reinforcements and paradropped engineers when HQ is destroyed; Mortars, AT Guns and other non-builder units will not prohibit this action from taking place.
- Removed flamethrower death critical on ballistic weapons.
- M8 Greyhound no longer does incremental engine damage to vehicles.
- Allied M10 Tank Destroyer no longer has an unintended accuracy penalty against moving Axis Sdkfz Armoured Cars.
- Axis Volksgrenadier and Axis Knights Cross Holder squads now receive bonuses at their second levels of veterancy.
- Axis Panzerfaust ability no longer has a 50% chance to miss moving heavy vehicles.
- Axis 88mm Flak 36 now receives intended bonuses from support weapon veterancy.
- Tank wrecks found on maps are no longer salvageable.
- Allied Demolitions upgrade moved one slot to the left on the Allied HQ UI.
Commander Trees
- Allied Paradrop AT-Gun cost increased to 350 manpower from 320.
- Allied Pershing now requires more experience to obtain veterancy levels.
- Allied Supply Drop will now cost 200 Manpower.
- Axis Infantry Assault Team cost decreased to 350 manpower from 400.
- Axis Stormtrooper squad removed from the Urban Assault Team and the Armored Assault Force Commander Tree Abilities.
- Axis “Urban Assault Team” has been renamed to “Urban Assault Support”.
- Axis Urban Assault Support cost decreased to 600 manpower from 700.
- Axis Armored Assault Force cost decreased to 900 manpower from 1000.
Gameplay Changes
- Allied M4 Crocodile Sherman range and damage decreased.
- Allied M1 57mm Anti-Tank Gun and Allied Paradrop Anti-Tank Gun accuracy bonus at first level of veterancy decreased.
- Allied M10 Tank Destroyer acceleration speed slightly decreased.
- Allied M10 Tank Destroyer damage reduced versus Axis Light Vehicles.
- Allied M10 Tank Destroyer damage reduced against buildings.
- Allied M10 Tank Destroyer turn radius increased.
- Allied M3 Halftrack cost increased to 25 fuel from 20.
- Allied M3 Halftrack Quad .50 cal upgrade cost increased to 125 munitions from 100.
- Axis Ostwind Flakpanzer area of effect radius increased.
- Axis Sdkfz Armored Car 50mm Puma Gun upgrade no longer requires Escalate to Battle Phase.
- Axis Motorcycle more resilient to small arms fire.
- Axis Panzerfaust ability damage increased versus Allied Jeep.
- Axis Grenade ability range increased significantly.
- Axis Grenade area of effect increased.
Maps
- St. Mere Dumont, Langres, and Wrecked Train Community Maps added to the Custom Games map selection.
- Hill 331 resources rebalanced.
- Point du Hoc resources rebalanced.
- Sturzdorf resources rebalanced.
- Angoville Farms base defenses updated.
- Angoville Farms ambient building positions rebalanced.
- Beaux Lowlands base defenses updated.
- Beaux Lowlands resource positions rebalanced.
gg
hmm, it looks like a great improvement over 1.5.
huge blitz nerf though. No one is going to get the StuH anymore I think.
barbed wire is useless. lol
nerf rangers and patch 1.6 will be awesome
hope that's the real patch log
looks good
#470
Please, volks can spam wire all day, it will still slow people down.
If the patch notes are true, we still have to deal with the god awful AWM and Allied AT-Gun sniping of infantry
Sounds good. Nice to see that FOW can be removed during replays. The bit about wire cutters is a little strange though.. giving them to all players at the start of the game?
No source noted so I highly doubt the accuracy even if it was off a relic ftp or otherwise. Of course there will always be stuff missing from the changelog as well, has been that way in every patch for CoH.
Pondering why I keep playing MMO's.
#475
It is the real change log and the patch should be out tomorrow.
http://www.relicrank.com/bloggo/
I pity the fool who doesn't read bloggo!
PS: No WTF! changes like the last patch, looks good. Not sure how the wire changes are going to play out though but it effects both sides the same (well more or less) so it's no big deal in terms of balance.
Cake can change the nature of a man!
Buggo blog is the source of this patch notes.
edit: still no Arranged Teams :-(
Much better, now we just wait and see what was omitted.
awm still the same, so is right side of terror, these only 2 that i can think of not being fixed
rangers still need a nerf
I FUCKING LOVE YOU RELIC.
Amazing.
Yeah, AWM could use a nerf sandwich with a side of nerf-crisps & a nerf-cola to wash it all down, and Firestorm/V1 could use a buff. However, considering the wealth of actual good changes & the glaring lack of bad changes, I'm not gonna complain.
Wow... Feels like the community woes were heard by Relic. =D
Can't wait for the patch to come out now.
GJ Relic =D
Yeah, let's just make Infantry Doc. totally useless but for Howitzers.rangers still need a nerf
Haven't played yet (seems reasonable since the patch isn't even out yet
- AWM untouched (AAAAAAARGH!)
- SF untouched
- Axis rockets and mortars doing more damage to Axis than to Allied units untouched
- 57mms untouched
Kinda disappointing, but I guess we don't see the full picture yet.
Keep in mind that, doctrine specific wise:
- Blitz gets a huge nerf
- Defensive gets buff/nerf (correct veterancy for FlaK/no Advanced Warning on bikes)
- Terror unchanged
- Airborne gets a huge nerf (putting it where it should be)
- Armor practically unchanged
- Infantry unchanged
I think we'll be seeing heaps of Armor company from now on...
yea i was really hoping for an infantry buff. rangers shall still be useless. :S
- All Anti-Tank Guns have a reduced chance to hit moving infantry targets.
That sort of helps a problem with the 57mm, but snipers are still toast.
-Good to see something done to the grenade...should make grenadiers more useful (and terror/defense). (yay)
-Of course the reduction to the croc is nice. (yay)
-Axis vehicles why'd they take away their sight bonus with defensive ops that was a great use for bikes(nay)
- Wire cutters to engis and pioneers at start...that doesn't seem like the smartest idea...on the other hand wire well i am not a huge fan of it (nay)
-Severe nerf to armour (longer to get pershing) and airborne (200mp supply drop increase cost of at gun)
-Made panzerfaust more useful (yay...although still probably not worth it)
-Will anyone get the urban support anymore? to me 600 is way too much for a stuh...400 mp would have been better (nay)
-Other than that great fix to blitz...it had way too big of a snowball effect (yay)
-Nothing done to fix terror???? V1 and propaganda??? That doctrine needs some serious love (nay)
-Nerfed halftrack slightly (yay)
-fixed puma engine bug (yay)
It's good that so many people think of rangers as useless. Makes it even easier for me to surprise my enemy with them
and propaganda is fine...
1.6 is Armor vs Blitz. gogogogo!
#491
...Allied AT-Gun sniping of infantry???Originally Posted by Changelog
Yeah I think inf is fine other than OMCG, rangers are great. Get them their thompson and they becomes anti everything and counter storms exceptionally well.
Looks good. Would have liked some sort of adjustment to the heat-seeking, engine-disabling sticky bombs, but I guess that can wait for the next patch.
rangers have like, no health
Nothing about the steam rolling M10s raping infantry.. Maybe the acceleration and turn radius nerf fixed that?
Also nothing about that crazy HMG bug where one guy is walking on the other side of the map and the other guy sticks close to where they were originally therefore rendering the squad useless. Pretty rare bug though.
More than rifles.rangers have like, no health
only 10 more. fraction wise: 55/65 or 11/12. as you can see, its not even 10% more health. and don't get my started on bazooka accuracy.More than rifles.
ostwind buff is going to hurt though.
looks like i will still keep myself firmly seated in BT mod, nothing here that BT hasnt alrdy done better.
QFT.
I can't belive they didn't touch infantry or terror at all. Those doctirines need tweaks badly.
Won't actually know wtf they did in total until we get the patch.
I am curious if they fixed the croc's projectile as that was a cause of some of the overdamage from what I was able to determine.
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