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With the Ostwind and Puma having been nerfed I am finding this thing the only tank worth getting other then a Tiger. I have been on an Axis winning streak because of the Urban Assault force. I call in two of them and while the allied player is distracted I hit his base and cause as much damage as possible.
Even if I don't hit their base only a Tiger is about as effective at killing infantry. Watching two lvl 2 StuH tearing infantry apart is just beautiful beyond words.
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Well, never understimate the Pz4. it can be quite reasonable, especially when vetted.
but i agree, StuH pwns when used right.
urban assault force can't do shit against an m10 or two. or a sherman. unless you've got munis for shreks, but even that isn't gauranteed as storms are easily run over.
Interesting response Fallen solider7, he post up how much he likes the urban assault force and you respond by saying
No it can't but he wasn't saying it could.urban assault force can't do shit against an m10 or two. or a sherman
It's an Urban Assault Force (d'oh), not an Anti-tank Assault Force.
This is one of my key uses of this is to bring it out fast and kill the Supply depot in the Base just to delay him. If I can take out the Motor Pool or Tank Depot AND the Supply Depot, I can really set them back. That really hurts them properly and gives you the XP to take care of the Tiger to come out soon.
If they retreat, once the the troops get back to the base, you can just position the StuHs to fire right at the front of the HQ to blast any arriving soldiers and really decimate his forces. A couple of well placed bundle nades will totally nail any survivors.
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Don't worry, expect one slight nerf to Blitz next patch, with another unintentional crippling nerf which will make it useless. Something like StuH get's instant gun damage from a sticky or something.
i bet that what will happen to the StuH will be similar to what happened to the Ostwind.
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I've found that Panzerschrecks do just fine against any other tanks, Crocs are really what you have to worry about though.
Overall I must say, Urban and Armored Assault Force are by far the two most cost effective abilities in the game, too cost effective in fact . . . which is the main reason I prefer not to use them myself, I'm a Defensive man. I don't think a cost increase to these two for the next patch would be unreasonable, but I would really hate to see a direct nerf to the StuH because as much as a lot of Axis players love it, you have to admit that it doesn't even come close to the Croc.
#11
Urban Assault force is pretty nice. 400mp stormies and a 300mp Tank of mass death is a pretty good deal. Although once the tigers start rolling, you never seem to see them again...
The Stuh has decent AT capibilities if it gets some Veterency (i think it does, not too sure) Mix it up with a few Schreks and AT won't be a problem.
Decent? The only "armour" it can take deal reasonable damage to is the jeep and halftrack (less to the halftrack of course).
#13
Well, it might not be able to tangle with a sherman 1v1, but with a couple of schreks/Panzerfausts will tip the scales. It can handle itself ok.
I love it too, but the StuH is the weakest tank as far as armor and HP go. I tend to save mine for end game. Rushing them in is just too risky... one 57mm AT will take it out fast.
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And that's what you are looking for at that point in the game. Something that can beat off the half track while your Stromtroopers panzerschecks finish the job.
Yep, and with recon (bike, sniper, stormtroopers, etc.) locating the AT guns, Stormtroopers can 'bundle' them so the StuH can come in.
The problem is Airborne AT drops. They happen in the worst possible place at the worst possible time.
Or Crocs... StuH can't kill a Croc, neither can Stormtroopers.
So hopefully there's a StuG or two around
#17
Why are people that aren't really sure about things always posting how things are? Also, you do realize that Axis tank veterancy does nothing to increase its damage vs tanks, right?The Stuh has decent AT capibilities if it gets some Veterency (i think it does, not too sure)
i find its most effective when im using it randomly and aggressivly, like ramming riflemen with it, drive around block stuff from other stuff and generally use it to harass...
i honestly DO consider these things free lol... 700MP for just stormtroopers doesnt sound that expensive to me tbh
I love the StuH, its so good for fragging those annoying riflespam. I almost always have at least one (usually backed up by 2 or 3 stugs for support), and 2 or 3 if I plan on doing any kind of base demolitions (3 stuhs can smash a base to dust and retreat before the enemy knew what hit them)
Plus they come with free stormies to tackle any armor or AT threats! What could be better then that?
ohyeah... Tiger and stormies
So most games just see 1 StuH42...max.
There was one game as blitz where he went airborne and base raped me. I had a forward bunker and just used call ins for the rest of the game and killed him with urban assault force and tigers :-)
He wondered why his base was gone in the time it took him to drive his crocs back to his base.
yeah its awesome just leave it at far range and it just destorys infantry but be ready to back it out because the assault gun isnt good agianst armour
Oh no, are you people saying that the StuH is effective? You know what happens now...
Relic: Damage to rifles and builings nerfed, armour and HP dropped. And if it get stickied, the allies get a free m-10.
#24
It comes at 4-5 CP, though, right? (I can never remember CP costs) That means an AB player probably has AT guns. Rushing to a base doesn't seem like it'd work too well given that :/
keep them storms with it storms were made to take out mg's at guns' n the such
Yes, it's a total of 5CP for StuHs. Curiously, the number of options allies have in dealing with a StuH didn't stop Vitensby in one of the recent ToH complaining IMBA when it managed to drive into the allied base and rape a few buildings.
If you manage to rush one or two into the guys base, I say that's their fault and they deserve to be punished. A decent axis unit, whaddyaknow!
#27
Tales of Heroes video number 30, shows a huge comback on Semois through the use of Urban Assault. It was used twice, and largley countered two m10's, and a Pershing through smart use of the ST, and the STuH on the supporting infantry.
Don't knock it till you try it. Check out the video.
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Well that's fixed now isin't it. I sure as hell am not buying StuH for 600MP just to lose it to one sticky and 2 AP shots.
LOL. Yep - that was the end of that
The urban assault force is lovely to send in against a advancing infantrygroup.
But i would use it more if they made the StuH how it was in real life... 150mm cannon.....
Well allto the Urban assault force!
#31
Virigoth: LOL! Touche.
The UAF is getting a bit of a nerf...it's losing its StormTroopers and will cost 600 MP for a StuH. I expect that's going to become a major gripe about 1.6.
You, sir, are a master of understatement.The UAF is getting a bit of a nerf
Well, the StuH is unchanged so far as I can tell, and Storms are still going to be awesome (except for losing their camoed retreat ability)...it's just an increase in MP cost.You, sir, are a master of understatement.
UAF as it was now costs 950 MP. I think that's too much...750 or 800 would be okay. So a 400 or 450 MP cost for the StuH would be better.
Compare that to the offmap combat group which can sometimes yield two M10s...yeah.
kasrkinsquad, posting this thread so close to patch release was the stupidest thing in the world - you've gone and challenged the Karma gods and NOW LOOK AT THE 1.6 CHANGELOG FFS!
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Yes, I'm sure the reason that StuH's "suck" now is why all the top Axis players use them to beat the Top Allied players.
Who said they sucked, genius?
...hmmm...
Ya 1.6 killed my love of the UAF and I am somewhat losing interest in my Tiger tanks.
The difference hurt me alot yesterday in a game vs Admiralwok. He had two Quads capping the other side of the map and back in 1.5 that would have been dealt with me sending my next tiger group to the right side of the map.
OT, but ain't he the guy who's complaining in another thread how 2 Tigers are unbeatable and how Axis early armored cars own everything. Funny you should mention Quads then......game vs Admiralwok. He had two Quads...
Ya I have no idea what he was complaining about. I more or less lost because I never could kill his first quad. I either never had the munitions for the panzerfausts or my shreks were busy else where.
During the late game I was just trying to hold out so most of my efforts were on his side of the map so I couldn't retake my part of the map. I sent sturms with MP44s to take on his BAR riflemen but then he just sent over his quads and there wasn't much I could do.
The thing about the old blitz powers is they were useful to me atleast was because I could pull an assualt force out of thin air. They were a self continated assualt force.
I still think it was mainly not killing his first quad that did me in that and WSC hurts.
Oh lets, see:Who said they sucked, genius?
Well that's fixed now isin't it. I sure as hell am not buying StuH for 600MP just to lose it to one sticky and 2 AP shots.LOL. Yep - that was the end of thatAnd many more, Einstein.Stuh is never going to be used.
Hee hee.
I don't believe anyone in the posts you're quoting said it "sucked". Least of all me in the quote you made from my post.
Would you like a lesson on the use of quotemarks?
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