Seriously. It does more damage than HB to heavy infantry. So why not use it? Or have I been misled on plasma's damage to heavy infantry?
On the same heavy weapons note, how does IG beat HB walls?O.o;
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Seriously. It does more damage than HB to heavy infantry. So why not use it? Or have I been misled on plasma's damage to heavy infantry?
On the same heavy weapons note, how does IG beat HB walls?O.o;
Unless i'm mistaken plasma does the same damage to Heavy infantry as an HB.
In addition an HB has greater range, with the only advantage of plasma being able to fire on the move.. which isn't so useful
My fear of getting killed which lead me to never use plasma...
Plus, I play team games... so... yeah, HB all the way.
CSMs use Plasma. CSMs Plasma rules much. Tac Plasma, not so much.
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Ive been trying this.
Chaos has 1 major problem when going armoury builds vs space marines.
Greyknights, Greyknights rape everything Chaos can put up in Tier1.5, Zerkers+sorc chains in a matter of fact are their only counter and on a slower tech, worse harassment, worse econ and they come half a Tier later, this makes it very difficult.
I like to use plasma when i expect/know im gona be dancing a lot of CC units, like vs chaos i always get mass plasma because u know its gona be zerks then psm/oblits.I guess you could get a rhino and use hbs that way the setup time isnt as big a deal, but that takes time, and i think id still prefer plasma even with rhino.
As IG load your upgraded+priested+plasma gm into a transport and drop them within range of HBs, hit execute as soon as u can and blast them down squad by squad. Or use hellhounds, but most good players will have some AV capability when vsing IG because its almost certainly going to come.
That doesnt work too well if the sm player is smart and has researched frag nades though, stun all your guys and mow em down :/
Chaos plasma wtfpwns. I don't know anyone who doesn't use it. The chaos heavy bolter has the advantage of being available tier1, so I tend to use it then, of course.
With the Space marines, I like to get plasma on scouts if I need plasma. The Rhino plus heavy Bolter combo serves me well when it comes to tacs. That's if I build tacs at all. Greyknights and scouts can go a long way.
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Chaos Plasma is brilliant but is a T3 weapon, so is relatively little seen. If you get to T3 and have any HW free CSM it should be an automatic choice. Check out the DPS if you don't believe me - it's pretty much the most powerful gun in the game if my memory serves
Tac Plasma isn't in the same league, but its still a hell of a weapon. HB does better damage to all armour types, but it's close accross most of the important ones (at lease it is post target-finders). It's still very very useful in T2 for fighting armies you are going to have to dance heavily since it has no setup time. I use it pretty much by default against the likes of Zerks
Tac plas is crap.
It takes 3 seconds more to upgrade to plas than HB, and 5 more power. The damage to heavy_med is roughly the same, but the HB does vastly more damage to infantry_high, med, low and has more range. The plas does do slightly more damage to commander and heavy_high, but not that much to make a real difference.
CSM plasma is great. Ridiculous damage. Problem is either you go csms with Hbs in t2 or you wait till t3 to produce csms. Anyway, if you have hbs in t2, unless you're building all fresh csms, HW slots will be taken up. If you start fresh in t3, then you start fresh, meaning your t2 was probably zerks or something. Anyway, only fault I have with csms plasma to finish t3 instead of defiler spam or predators or something is the range. 30 range is nice, but vs gitz and other t3 opponents, sometimes 30 range isn't enough. I've never been able to use rhinos with plasma csms. Rhino with hbs csm yes cause thats t2. but in t3 just never seem to get around to it. But yeah don't doubt the plasma. Turn on berzerk fury and each plasma holder does like 100+ dps to infantry targets of all types.
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You all say tac plasma is crap, but many of the top SM players use plasma--at least against ork, chaos, and eldar (I guess to shoot down harlies quicker). Watch iknewfear's replays, for example.
Heavy bolter setup time is a pain. And is it just me or is there still a setup time after deploying from a rhino?
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I can confirm that there isnt a setup time after deploying from a rhino. Top players probably use plas because they need to dance the squads a LOT.
exactly... they both have their benefits. HBs are more well rounded and have more range... plasma can fire on the move and has no setup. i see both used plenty personally.
I rarely see it used for 2 reasons.
#1 Like almost ever Chaos Ive seen in auto they are teching to t3. Massing HBs will slow the insta win button that is PSM+Oblits
#2 They are massing HBs in t1.5/2 and have few if any open hvy wep slots on thier CSM. Massing Hvy blts is prty much an all or nothing option. It either works or you loose. Also, if done right using a Rhino will stop any hvy blt csm from dying.
Thanks for the responses guys, good to know.
Plasma looks better than HB for pew pew pew factor.
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it's a shame that Eye candy doesn't kill
New Eldar spell. Its the Lesbian caress of doom, you need 2 harlies, they go up to a group of enemy and start getting "intimate" and the nme's hearts explode in exitment. If they did that then eye candy could kill
I use plasma? Btw skull - best way to die lol.
SM plasma is pretty sucky, I very rarely get it. CSM plasma is WTF. CSM plasma does more damage than Kasyrkin plasma with weapon spec + Priest.
CSM plasma = >:[
Troubleshooter on IG: Tier 4 that looks alot like tier 2, only with the second most massive building attempting to give birth to the largest unit which then promptly gets deleted so you can then move said 2 ton baby out of the rats nest called your base.
CSM plasma may not be seen because:
A ) It only comes in T3, so you may not be getting that far, or
B ) Its invisible
SM plasma is kinda crap IMO, as it takes longer to reinforce, costs more, and has less range. The FotM makes dancing almost useless, and it only does about 0.5 DPS more than the HB to heavy infantry and much less to almost everything else. If you want to dance- Get flamers. Much higher FotM values, as well as the ability to hit several units when up close.
I always thank the 4 chaos gods that my csm have fury avaible makes it so much more easy to dance around with hb'sI can confirm that there isnt a setup time after deploying from a rhino. Top players probably use plas because they need to dance the squads a LOT.
Yeah, furious charge is a great help when you need some dancing. It's funny. CSM upgrades are bizarre, but they work one way or another lol.
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