You don't have any. SorrySo what are my options for playing a Skirmish game when I have no internet access and do not recieve a DVD with my purchase?
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You don't have any. SorrySo what are my options for playing a Skirmish game when I have no internet access and do not recieve a DVD with my purchase?
Benster. Then I hope I'm not playing this game anymore by then. :x
And if yall read the CD key scheme FAQ then this thread wouldn't exist. Since it says on there what it requires.
Last edited by Luwinkle; 27th Sep 07 at 9:43 AM.
Beta release and marketed as complete product. Requirement to log in even for single player. A humongous 1.8 gbyte patch that even then the game's not working. Case closed, move on to the next one I presume.
and if you would read this thread, none of us are arguing wtf is going on. we're arguing WHY it is going on, and how it is wrong/right, not just restating what the requirements are (btw, this requirement is only mentioned on the faq, and not with the game itself)And if yall read the CD key scheme FAQ then this thread wouldn't exist. Since it says on there what it requires.
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I thought the CD Key faq said this does not apply to you, if it does then certainly there's a bug.So what are my options for playing a Skirmish game when I have no internet access and do not recieve a DVD with my purchase?
another downside to this logging in business is if your game crashes to the desktop. When you start the game up again it tries to log you in but cannot.....because it thinks your already logged in. So, you need to click the log off button. and if your lucky you only need to do this once...then log back in. I have done it 3 - 4 times before it takes.
and of course this hurts the "lan party".
I hope that the Steam version doesn't include the securom stuff.
There isn't any securom stuff. Never was in OF.
Noone ever reads the FAQ. D:Holy shit, does that mean that you're going back to SecuRom?
No, the DVD will not use SecuRom.
And it kinda goes without saying that the steam version won't have it. SecuRom is copy protection for a disc...the steam version has no disc.
Securom is in the game. ppl have ran checkers and found securom traces
I was just about to post that yes, Opposing Fronts does use SecuROM 7.
The DLLs are in the \ddt\, \rs\ and \rspa\ folders, a simple Alt+Enter and overview of the Version tab will confirm it.
Last edited by dreddnott; 27th Sep 07 at 2:23 PM.
if thats true, even i am starting to get worried....
i am truly thinking about canceling my order.
I wouldn't, if I were you - the game is actually very good, and has graphical improvements even for DirectX 9 users like me.
Buggo's responses in this thread are nothing short of award-winning as far as developer-community relations are concerned. Despite the sudden strike of our hearts of iron in this pacific storm, she's going above and beyond the call of duty and is acting like a brother in arms with this company of heroes and clearly deserves a medal of honor for close combat in this, her finest hour of victory.
Last edited by dreddnott; 27th Sep 07 at 3:01 PM. Reason: laid it on a little more thickly
that has to be the most creative and corny response any fanboi for any company has written
^suckupBuggo's responses in this thread are nothing short of award-winning as far as developer-community relations are concerned. She's simply going above and beyond the call of duty and is acting like a brother in arms with this company of heroes and clearly deserves a medal of honor for close combat in this, her finest hour of victory.
*snicker*
Anyway, it is quite cool what Buggo is doing, a lot of game companies wouldn't even post in community forums, let alone try to get things changed.
I just got my import copy of COH and OF and yes, it has Securom. Pretty f***ed up esp. since I remeber a FAQ that stated that this would not be the case. Guess Relic fooled us ... again.
Anyway, there are positiv aspects about OF too. I did not need to install COH at all before OF. I just installed OF and entering the serial of my COH unlocked all COH content. So the installation is pretty easy.
And the phoneing home part is easily killed by blocking RelicCOH.exe access to relics server. I did that because I never play online and it now checks my disc even with internet running. And I can still play LAN. That's all I wanted and it works so far and Relic is left in the dark when I play single player.
I must admit that the new scheme is restrictive, intrusive and esp. bad because Relic plain lied to us about it. But it is easy to get under control by a good firewall or host file manipulation.
I'm on to learn those brits now, they play so extremely different. But once you got the arti up ... here comes the pain
Let me get this straight -- the games now use SecuROM v7, and we have been told by Relic that SecuROM is NOT used? It's on Buggo's blog, and it's in the first post of the "New CD Scheme FAQ" thread, right there: "No, the DVD will not use SecuROM".
What is going on here?! This is even worse than I imagined!
People get way too up in arms about this crap. Who cares if relic knows that you played single player OF for 3.2 hours on thursday evening. Seriously, if thats whats getting people they need to open their eyes to the internet. every time you log on and do things, cookies are downloaded, a trail is left, your IP is logged. deal with it, its reality. Maybe you people who are so up in arms that your 'privacy' is being so invaded when you have to login to a system arnt pirates, but I have a very hard time believing that.
And to everyone saying that this copy protection wont keep the hackers/crackers out, no of course not. its just a wall. anyone who is determined enough will get over the wall. The higher/spikier the wall is, the fewer people will put the effort in to scale it and instead might go buy it, but its still just a wall. Everyone who bought the game has a key to the door in the wall, but it is Relic/THQ's wall, so they have the right to log your name when you want to go through.
and to everyone who 'carries a laptop around but wont be inconvenienced to carry cds'. grow up, laptops come with cases that can hold a few cds. toss it in and quit whining or come up with a better story, its thin as hell.
its not that the game wouldnt be great...(its the best rts ever, it actually deserves the name strategy)
i just consider securom to be a possible threat to my system.
(it has admin rights on my pc and i cant control it)
securom was the reason why i didnt buy bioshock.
Well, telling people Securom is NOT used and exactly that is the case is a pretty huge issue and destroys any trust remaining in the company left after the lenghty discussion here.
indeed.
here is the link.
http://forums.relicnews.com/showthre...hlight=securom
thank you for lying us in the face !
That's just the FAQ cobbled together by Moe. At the top he states to post or PM if you find any inaccuracies...I don't think Moe works for Relic or THQ, so that would make this an honest mistake, misinterpretation, or misunderstanding, not a lie.
Unless you can link to a Relic or even THQ employee saying "no SecuROM in OF" I don't think we were actually lied to.
indeed there cant be found any information if securom is there, or not. keeping it secret is not better.
in addition moe must have talked to some relic employee to obtain this info. otherwise he wouldnt have posted something like that.
the only statement which i found of an official relic employee is that it doesnt use "securom product activation". which doesnt imply it does not use securom itself. so no they didnt lie. but i am forced to think that it doesnt use securom, if i read smth. like that.
Last edited by Blake_Stone; 27th Sep 07 at 4:00 PM.
the thing that keeps bugging me all the time is: WHY?
i mean... how does securom help you? The customers get angry... i mean... i like coh (and of as far as i played the beta) and i liked it even more for not having any sort of copy protection. Now its back to good old securom...
On the other side... people who don't want to buy the game, but still want to play it, will find ways around...
So in the end... all you reach by adding securom are more upset customers. Count me as one of them. Securom is rubbish. If it wasnt for coh:of to be as good as it is, I wouldnt buy it. Sadly I bought Bioshock before i heard it has securom. Now its banned from my disk.
Pls do us all a favor and remove securom with the next patch since by then... i bet they already found ways around that copy protection and all that remains, are upset customers like myself.
I wont buy the next addon if it still has securom, or any other game made by relic, that has securom.
I stand corrected then. Although be aware that the Bioshock edition on Steam does indeed contain Securom 7. Even the demo had it.Originally Posted by Luwinkle
check your game files... it is there.
It's probably just a communication error along the way. I'd give benefit of the doubt to Relic/THQ, but when I see it myself on my drive you can't deny it.
Just because its in the game files doesn't means it has been turned on...
Good point. So I went ahead and tried an experiment. This shows that securom 7 is both included and used in the game for means of validating the media.
I can also verify that SecuROM runs when the DVD check takes place.
If you are running the Microsoft program Process Explorer v10 when it attempts to verify the media, an error box will pop up saying "A required security module could not be loaded", or words to that effect. This is because SecuROM incorrectly identifies Process Explorer as a kernel debugger.
Also visible from Process Explorer when the DVD check starts is that rs.dll is added to the RelicCOH.exe process tree, rs.dll of course being one of the DLLs tagged as SecuROM in the version tab.
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Hi everyone,
I've read each and every single response. Thanks for voicing them, it is important that we get feedback.
Couple things:
Company of Heroes (vanilla) does NOT use SecuROM AT ALL.
Opposing Fronts does use a SecuROM disc check, but only for DVD versions (in other words, not if you've purchased the game from a digital distributor).
NEITHER PRODUCT uses SecuROM product activation (e.g. the system that can limit number of installs etc etc).
Relic has been honest and open about technology used in our games.
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Aside from all of this, I am still compiling your opinions and still sending them to the appropriate people. We ARE still looking at this issue and see how we can provide a better customer experience for you. I personally feel strongly about this and will do my best to relay your suggestions.
I don't mind the DVD check, thanks for the info Buggooooo <3
SecuROM product activation (e.g. the system that can limit number of installs etc etc). Is the tool of the devil!
the installation takes so long.
Buggo hath spoken.
Buggo confirms exactly what I suspected and posted in the New CD key scheme FAQ thread, that it was just a misunderstanding and Relic/THQ never intentionally misled anyone.
A quicker response than I expected, too.
If you can't do away with SecuROM entirely, I'd rather have the DVD check /before/ the login prompt, so we can at least have the option of not logging on to Relic Online if we only want to play singleplayer or skirmish (no need for Relic to have any information about that for online balance purposes, am I right?). Just have the logon prompt show up as normal after a DVD check fails or succeeds.
The problem right now is that a login is forced if you have Internet access, and if you hit 'cancel' it just sits there instead of letting you play singleplayer or skirmish. Other games have implemented separate singleplayer and multiplayer EXEs (Aliens vs. Predator 2, Jedi Outcast, Call of Duty 2) but I'd assume CoH:OF is too far along for that kind of redesign.
Regardless of whether I think SecuROM, Starforce, and the like are just snake oil sold to naive publishers, the threat of piracy dies down after a while.
Don't you guys remember when CD-checking for Dawn of War was removed? That was indeed a frabjous day, caloo calay. I have no doubt that the same thing will happen to Opposing Fronts, in time.
to save my lazy behind from googling, can anyone explain what's the difference between securom dvd check, and securom product activation, and WHY the former is deemed acceptable? Is there any security issues, complications from the dvd securom?
Securom dvd check checks to make sure the DVD is legit and not a pirated copy.
Securom product activation is what Bioshock has. Kind of like the Windows XP activation. You can only install the game so many times before one has to call Securom themselves and get another key. Unless you remove it properly before reformatting, etc.
The names themselves kinda tell what it does.
but back to my questions, i was really interested in why it's better, and if there's anything from a security or annoyance standpoint that securom causes?Securom dvd check checks to make sure the DVD is legit and not a pirated copy.
Securom product activation is what Bioshock has. Kind of like the Windows XP activation.
I didn't say why if it is/isn't better. You asked why the DVD check was deemed acceptable, and I told you..all it does is check the DVD to make sure it's legit.
ah ok, you didn't make a call on better/not better. i'll look this up when i have time at home.
I have not read the whole thread but you can use a software firewall like ZoneAlarm (free version) to deny programs (including CoH) the internet, so it would think it had no connection and go to the DVD. You can select what programs have internet access.
The FAQ Said:
Holy shit, does that mean that you're going back to SecuRom?
No, the DVD will not use SecuRom.
relic are making jokes with us
They better pay you a lot.Hi everyone,
I've read each and every single response. Thanks for voicing them, it is important that we get feedback.
Thank you for clarifying the securom thing.
^amen on that.
To wade through 16+ pages of constant bitching..you either must be very well paid...or..I dunno. :P
Im sure a lot of people here has read the entire thread...
I regret now telling my friends, random gamers, and people at my school lunch to buy company of heroes and the Opposing fronts expansion. The Anti-piracy protection is going to make their playing a bitch and will only leave a bad mark on Relic and make them not want to recommend it to their other friends causing a catalyst that will give relic a bad reputation and cut down their revenue no matter how small it is.
I understand that Relic just wants to protect their game when they are doing more damage to it then they imagine. Anti-piracy protection only breeds more pirates and better ones. Resulting in even greater loss. Blizzard has lasted so long because of not using anti-piracy beyond the basic cd key registration for multiplayer and cd requirement to run the game which helped its community grow larger because gamers had little to no hassle and could jump right into the game and play. Which created a good rep for them which got bigger the better the games got leading to Blizzard becoming the giant it is today.
With this Anti-piracy system Relic is using its going to make and is making a bad rep on top of their bad reputation to stop supporting their games when they have a new shiny one to play with.
I foresee a rise in pirating OF that is greater then the problems CoH had with piracy. All because Pirates now have more people to get to download the copy they made hassle free for no cost.
Now to try to download that 1.8 gig patch once more.
All sides are only as Overpowered as you let them.
get the patches from here, they are FAST, especially if you use a download accelerator...
http://www.relicrank.com/bloggo/2007...-distribution/
what issues are you having with downloading?
Either the download stops for no reason, resets and stops again due to a time out or lost connection, or I get constant download errors in game while I try to update.
Which is fairly odd for me since it never did that before. I have downloaded things up to close to 10 gigs in the past and never had problems. Not even some of the larger 100mb patches for CoH before this 1.8 gig patch.
Get a download accelerator, its a simple 2-3 MB file that will prevent you from ever having download frustration again! Its free also!
http://www.flashget.com/en/download.htm
Downloads start from where they stop, should you lose connection.
I dont know about you, but Singapore's broadband connections are notoriously bad, especially my ISP which apparently throttles connections overseas and has admitted that their bandwidth is nearly fully utilized and are doing heavy traffic shaping to compensate, and with a download accelerator downloading in 4 portions i got 300+ KB/s.
I have read the faq.
I definitely have this result with this condition:
1. Game bought on Direct2Drive, and therefore a) I do not have access to a CD or DVD disc.
2. After having successfully installed the game, and activated it, and have ensured that I could play it while connected to the internet, I closed the game, removed the ethernet cable, and restarted CoH:OF
3. When the Login screen comes up, It first asks me where I bought the game. I select Direct2Drive. It then forces me to the activation screen just like my original installation. I can't reactivate because I do not have the ethernet in (to simulate not having an internet connection), and therefore can't play.
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