What are you thoughts on OF?

[Rimsey]

That splits the community and does not give vCoH owners the new engine, patch support, etc.

Well it should be.

They didnt give vCoH owners any option when they butchered coh to make it work with OF.

Oh yes and what a nice new engine it is...... slow as fook.. laggy and bugged to sh*t. Can I have 2 please sir.

Wow talk about ego. You think the only reason for patches and changes is YOU?

Well yeah - we paid our money didn't we? and as far as we are concerned got ripped off.

More to the point... we didn't get ripped once we got ripped TWICE, because they didnt just screw up OF they screwed up the original that everyone loved. Now both run and feel like sh*t.

[CoatedTrout]

You forgot Winter Assault...

Ah yes, Winter assault.

'We can't seem to balance the best features from the original game, hmm... Let's Remove them and make it completely ridiculous!'

[BeserkWraithlor]

You forgot Winter Assault...

Thanks, you just gave me horrible memories and why I should never buy another Dawn Of War Expansion again.

'We can't seem to balance the best features from the original game, hmm... Let's Remove them and make it completely ridiculous!'

QFT.

I don't know much about OF, but if they remade the techtree and changed the balance, then I will be even more disappointed in Relic.

Sure, WA added several new Campaigns, new terrain and maps, and a New Race and units, but took out all the features that made DOW one of my favorite games.

Wow talk about ego. You think the only reason for patches and changes is YOU?

By YOU, you mean Relic Forums, right? Yes. Relic Never visits the Gamespot or IGN forums, and they always have complaints there also. If other places on the web complained about Relic's games, (other than gaming critics) they probably woudn't really know about it or care.

[kingofshao]

Why do alot of people think buying a game means you buy stock for relic?

You can return games you don't like you know, or you can try and help by criticism and feedback, not just sitting there bitching like an old woman.

P.S, you know you can just uninstall OF, re-install CoH, and play offline in vanilla if you hate this so much

[KinslayerDE]

Guess what I have done, despite the fact I PAID for Onlineplay with vCoH.


@coated_trout & BeserkWraithlor
Yes, Winter Assault, or how I call it "Darling, I killed the Chaos Space Marines". A Nice example of how to NOT do a Addon...

[Unsung Duck]

I'm really enjoying Opposing Fronts so far. I like both the British and the Panzer Elite and I'm on the 5 mission of the Opperation Market Garden Campaign. My only problem is that infantry seem slower to react to their orders and certain textures keep flashing, but they'll eventually be a patch for that.

Overall good job Relic.

[DatonKallandor]

Guess what I have done, despite the fact I PAID for Onlineplay with vCoH.

No you didn't. Quite the opposite actually: You relinquished all demands when you accepted the Online Terms and Conditions. You clicked the "I agree" button. You paid for singleplayer.

[Luwinkle]

Had my first real problem with OF today. It randomly froze while I was playing a skirmish vs AI. I was just about to play with a King Tiger for the first time, too .
This is after it took 5 minutes at the game loading screen (not the skirmish loading screen..but to get to the main menu) to pop a window up asking if I had my disk...guess RO is/was down.

[KinslayerDE]

"No you didn't. Quite the opposite actually: You relinquished all demands when you accepted the Online Terms and Conditions. You clicked the "I agree" button. You paid for singleplayer."

I did not. The RelicOnline Terms are illegal in Germany, like the EULA also. They there not presented before! I bought the game, so they are not worth the pixels they are showed on.

Also the Package does not show that you got to agree to any terms to play online. Illegal. Also no hint that a patch will come, one year after release, that will force you to register to RO to play Singeplayer if you got a Internetconnection. Illegal.
The new metricssystem to collect data is also not mentioned. Illegal.

Everything in EULA and RelicOnline terms are worth a shit over here. They got to print anything on the package of the game, to stay legit.

For example: On the HL2 Package over here is clearly printed that you need Internet to activate through Steam. Same on Bioshock, or Windows XP or Vista.

[Toast]

I haven't bought OF yet, and I don't know if I will. I bought vCoH off Steam a few months ago, and patching the new update has been a horrible experience. The patch came about three days after OF was released. And then, a number of problems have risen since the patch's release. Steam's CoH forum is full of people experiencing a plethora of technical problems. I haven't been able to play vCoH for about five days now, because of the new patch, and a Steam error that coincided with it. I've JUST gotten vCoH to start working again.

Even if you want to lay the blame on Valve for all that, I'm highly disappointed with the new vCoH and OF setup. A live internet connection is now REQUIRED to play singleplayer? That's utterly ridiculous. Where was that ever mentioned? My internet connection isn't always completely stable. Now I can't even play singleplayer if my connection is down?

Those of us with vCoH weren't even asking for these changes. I don't care about a new engine. I don't care about new units. If I wanted those, I would buy the [stand-alone] expansion pack, like I've done with EVERY other game series.

The balance problems in OF shouldn't be too large a concern. Balance is always an issue with a new release. That shouldn't surprise anyone. What is surprising, though, is how Relic would ruin the stability of an already accomplished game. I don't see how that was necessary at all.

[remy]

Sure, WA added several new Campaigns, new terrain and maps, and a New Race and units, but took out all the features that made DOW one of my favorite games.

What were those features? Did DC bring anything back?

Relic Never visits the Gamespot or IGN forums, and they always have complaints there also. If other places on the web complained about Relic's games, (other than gaming critics) they probably woudn't really know about it or care.

I wouldn't say that. Buggo is very aware of what's going on. Everywhere.

Generally speaking most Relic employees don't post, only lurk. Or if they do post outside of RN they probably don't bring attention to the fact they work at Relic or in the game industry at all.

[IRON_EMPEROR]

its ok so far, people like me wait and see how thigns pan out before i buy OF, right now im content playing 2 armies. But im wondering from a guy who has the hard copy of Coh and steam version of OF, is it relatively easy to set up, will u need the vCOh cd a any time during the installation?

[ehwhatever]

Remy, for a relic guy who does post pretty frequently(yay), why is it that others are so reluctant to do so? A little relic presence goes a long way in settling the mood.

[BeserkWraithlor]

What were those features? Did DC bring anything back?

Sorry, but I never played Dark Crusade. What I didn't like in WA is that they removed alot of things that I liked in DOW. They took out tankbusta bombs, and custom vehicle upgrades, and I didn't enjoy the new techtree, because it was about who got to tier 2-3 first. Also the fact that keeping older units wasn't rewarding, and you always had to advance up the techtree and build high tier units. The Races felt too different from Dawn of War. Chaos became too powerful in melee, and the Standard Chaos Marines were too weak and bland. Orks became a shooty race, plus Eldar and Space Marines were too Spammable. Imperial Guard were too good at rushing, (Greande launchers!) and too lacking in defence, which was what they were supposed to be good at.

[DatonKallandor]

Also the Package does not show that you got to agree to any terms to play online.

You haven't looked at your package then.
"Game Experience may change during Online Play"
and, more importantly right now:
"Required for Multiplayer: 1 set of discs per computer"

For example: On the HL2 Package over here is clearly printed that you need Internet to activate through Steam. Same on Bioshock, or Windows XP or Vista.

And OF doesn't have that - because it doesn't NEED to be activated via internet. Get your facts straight.

[Luwinkle]

I had a few gripes with WA myself...the change of unit voices...the new avatars...all the changes to units in general. I never even use tankbusta squads anymore. Teh weak.

[Mac_Bug]

Remy, for a relic guy who does post pretty frequently(yay), why is it that others are so reluctant to do so? A little relic presence goes a long way in settling the mood.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2003/09/01

[Busby]

But that's Sierra, and Buggo is awesome!

[madhellaflush]

OF rocks... step in the right direction Relic

i am just playing PE 100% now due to the overpowering

[KinslayerDE]

You haven't looked at your package then.
"Game Experience may change during Online Play"
and, more importantly right now:
"Required for Multiplayer: 1 set of discs per computer"

"Das Spielerlebnis kann sich beim Onlinespiel verändern" rather seems to be targeted at Parents that are afraid that their kids could hear/see someone swearing online. It is even linked on the package to the "pegi" signs (18+, a swearing symbol, a fist as violence symbol).
That of course got nothing to do with agreeing to online terms to play the game online.
They should have wrote something like "Um den Onlinepart zu benutzen, sind sie verpflichtet den Vertragsbedingungen des Battle.net zuzustimmen/To play the Onlinepart, you got to agree to the terms of battle.net" like Blizzard got a sign on their WC3 package.
Also, btw, the WC3 package tells that you got to agree to the "Nutzungsbedingungen", aka EULA, to use the product.

Nothing like that on my CoH package.

Your second argument got nothing to do with what I wrote. "1 Disc per Computer" is clearly for LAN-Multiplayer, something I did not wrote about in the last post.

And OF doesn't have that - because it doesn't NEED to be activated via internet. Get your facts straight.

OF got to be activated IF YOU GOT A ACTIVE INTERNETCONNECTION. Sorry that I got to scream, but you oversaw it I think.

The DVD Check does only work if you got no Internet or block it.

That of course leads to the summary that they got to print the same thing like it is printed on a HL2 or Bioshock package.

[remy]

Remy, for a relic guy who does post pretty frequently(yay), why is it that others are so reluctant to do so? A little relic presence goes a long way in settling the mood.

I don't know. Some people may not want to ruin the mood you get on these forums. RN is a really unique place because it's basically by the fans, for the fans. Having Relic employees posting may seem like an invasion.

Another thing is whenever anything changes there is a vocal minority of glass is half empty people who complain rather than play the game and insist on presenting their opinion as fact. They aren't interested in anything anybody has to say, they just want to complain. Once one thing is resolved they will have another thing to complain about. Obviously most posters are reasonable, even when there is something to genuine to complain about, but some people are over the top.

And that's a lot more than some people want to deal with in their spare time.

[DatonKallandor]

OF got to be activated IF YOU GOT A ACTIVE INTERNETCONNECTION. Sorry that I got to scream, but you oversaw it I think.

The DVD Check does only work if you got no Internet or block it.

That of course leads to the summary that they got to print the same thing like it is printed on a HL2 or Bioshock package.

Unplug your connection, launch the game - no activation needed. No, they don't have to print the Bioshock thing on the back.

Also, btw, the WC3 package tells that you got to agree to the "Nutzungsbedingungen", aka EULA, to use the product.

Nothing like that on my CoH package.

Which is why you can decline the EULA and return your copy of the game.

[Luwinkle]

remy's words o' truth

100% true right there.
Unless you have SEVERE broadband limitations every month, why do people care about having to do a quick login? It doesn't inconvenience me at all. Except when RO is down and I have to look at the loading screen for 5 minutes before it asks for my disk(which is already in the drive) .

[achnoes]

Why did they changed the music of the original COH?It was perfect and now it sux.Can someone please explain to me what vanilla COH means?Is it a mod or something?

[bonsainut]

Another thing is whenever anything changes there is a vocal minority of glass is half empty people who complain rather than play the game and insist on presenting their opinion as fact. They aren't interested in anything anybody has to say, they just want to complain. Once one thing is resolved they will have another thing to complain about. Obviously most posters are reasonable, even when there is something to genuine to complain about, but some people are over the top.

And that's a lot more than some people want to deal with in their spare time.

Of course, it is always easier to pretend that customer complaints are personality flaws of the customers rather than real feedback that might indicate that the developer *gasp* might have done something wrong.

Come on Remy - I mean seriously. I know you guys have put your blood and souls into this game and it shows. The game is fantastic and is one of my all-time favorites. However this latest move with online verification, Relic account maintenance, etc is really pissing some people off.

Now I know that 95% of the devs at Relic (or more) had absolutely nothing to do with the installation and verification procedures. It is a sad fact that these issues are overshadowing the joy that people should feel playing this game, and the props you guys should be getting for game design, art, balancing and scripting, etc.

But pleeeeeeeeeeze don't say that people complaining about install issues are a disgruntled few who can never be placated.

[remy]

...Obviously most posters are reasonable, even when there is something to genuine to complain about, but some people are over the top...

Of course, it is always easier to pretend that customer complaints are personality flaws of the customers rather than real feedback that might indicate that the developer *gasp* might have done something wrong.

Come on Remy - I mean seriously. I know you guys have put your blood and souls into this game and it shows. The game is fantastic and is one of my all-time favorites. However this latest move with online verification, Relic account maintenance, etc is really pissing some people off.

Now I know that 95% of the devs at Relic (or more) had absolutely nothing to do with the installation and verification procedures. It is a sad fact that these issues are overshadowing the joy that people should feel playing this game, and the props you guys should be getting for game design, art, balancing and scripting, etc.

But pleeeeeeeeeeze don't say that people complaining about install issues are a disgruntled few who can never be placated.

I'm not in anyway saying people complaining about install issues (or german and french patches, austrailian dvds, new AI behaviour, logging in, change in LAN play, connectivity problems, reduced performance, new exposed crashes in nvidia's drivers, or anything else I've forgotten off the top of my head) don't have genuine concerns and are just a loud vocal minority that will never be happy.

I'm saying when somebody from Relic writes something often people will only skim read it instead of fully reading it and then have their response ready to type half way through reading. Often people read what they wanted Relic to write instead of what was actually written and then complain or argue about it. This is probably one of the reasons many don't post in their spare time.




Now on to a completely different subject... Relic (mostly through Buggo) is certainly aware of what's going on. I'm not commenting on most of the problems because I don't have an answer. I could post some generic garbage like "Relic cares deeply about your feelings about our products and is always investigating what can be done to provide the best end user experience to our valued customers.", but I think most people on here would just roll their eyes at a waste of a post like that.

I'm sure Buggo will have real information for the community soon. In fact I'd be very surprised if she wasn't in a meeting right now, first morning back to work after the weekend, discussing what has been discovered since ship and preparing something for the community worth reading.

[joeypesci]

My thoughts.

It's ok but they need to allow the two new armies to be able to build tank traps. Then it will be almost great again. It won't be as great as COH as the British army just seems lacking, although so does the PE army. Both just don't seem to have as many options as the other two armies, but I could be wrong. But from the short time I've played it (completing both campaigns over two days of play) both new armies seem to have lets units.

[bonsainut]

It's ok but they need to allow the two new armies to be able to build tank traps.

OMG thanks for the laugh. Not because I disagree with you, but because in a single sentence you represent everything Remy was just complaining about

Cheers, guys! Just because I am complaining doesn't mean I can't play the game - I am already through the first series of missions. It is a great game once you are past the installation and the security front-end.

[SalvieSoldier]

I havent had any issues with the game whatsoever. I have played werchmacht, Panzer Elite, and Brits and won with every one of them. The hardest thing about PE is trying to DEFEND, but thats a diff story. Where is the unbalancing at? Maybe when its PE vs Americans, but im sure it could be countered. The brits arent unbalanced, just DONT let them dig in, once they are dig in its a fight to gain an inch. Happened to me.
The new rain adds great immersion, my pc slowed a bit, but i turned shadows off and BOOM, ran perfectly and still looks amazing!!
The Single Player campaign feels like i have to stratch thru every inch of the level fighting, dying, retreating,. counterattacking, and defeinding. Its NOT umbalanced!!

[CoatedTrout]

Thanks for the update Remy.

Stress level going doowwwn
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[RickApple]

for NOT taking the "tried and true" Company of Heroes Vanilla, and "painting it different colors" and calling it by a new name.

Opposing Fronts is radically different in game play style (no real Tier system, for example) and requires a new mentality to master. For example...GODDAMM PANZER ELITE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LAYING GODDAMN BARB WIRE. THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE RUNNING OVER SHIT.

Having said that, game play for me now does seem kinda "helter skelter" as compared to CoH vanilla. Or maybe I am just not cutout to be PE !!!

GREAT WORK RELIC.

OfficerApple, out.

[Philman]

I have to agree with the above poster.....Shadows just kill the FPS. I can have everything else set to max no prob (including sound), but I go above low on shadows, and the FPS drops.....

[DatonKallandor]

Which incidentally happens with every game. Shadows bring 25%+ performance in most cases.

[Maus]

I am enjoying the game greatly. I love the new sound effects and the new units. The one thing that will make the game better for me is the modding issues. I would like to see a way for old mods to be ported. I also hope someone figures out the new scheme for modding the game. I never had issues adding things to buildings etc. but now I can't even get the tank factories to make the tanks that I want it to produce. At any rate I will wait for these developments and keep playing it as is until then.

[KilluH!]

im playin as teh PE and defending arnhem... When all of sudden there are glider born tanks in my rear areas??? Um, thats not possible. A jeep maybe, a bren carrier tops. But a tank. A glider is made out of plywood and canvas, its not a modern transport aircraft. It would never have left the ground and a rato pack would have disintegrated the air frame with a tank on board.

All my experienced and well placed guys wiped out. :0(

[Kerry Doe]

@killuH!
Cheer up! At least now you can say "cool!" Because such the tank and the plywood glider did exist!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrarch_tank

[KilluH!]

Aha, I see. I dont recall them being deployed at Arnhem however. I could be wrong.

Nope I stand corrected, theres a pic right there on the combat history.

Thanks for the heads up.

[Karius]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Tetrarchs weren't present in Operation Market Garden, Jeeps were glided instead. They saw action in D-Day and Operation Varsity but not in Market Garden if I have my facts correct.

[Kerry Doe]

Lol come on Karius!
But talking about Jeep, I was hopping they added the commando jeep, right the universal carrier seem too abusive to me.

[Saunders]

GODDAMM PANZER ELITE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LAYING GODDAMN BARB WIRE.

Goddamn Shermans will open up like tin cans!

sorry, couldn't help it. :P