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#1
http://portal.uspto.gov/external/por...TEXT=74499006#
The first document lists the Attorney as having changed from a Sierra one, to a THQ one.
Seems as if THQ got their mitts on it on the 18th July 2006 (the change of address from vivendi to Douglas R. Wolf, who is their Attorney)
(Ill update this post as I trawl through this stuff)
Last edited by Mnementh; 3rd Nov 07 at 1:46 PM.
So we actually have chance of Relic making Homeworld 3. Fear thee, the judgement be upon us!
"Taken at face value, we were clearly mad. Actually, I believe we're clearly mad most of the rest of the time, so go fething figure."
-Colm Corbec, at Hagia
Oh yeah!Originally Posted by The Text
#4
Just because they own the Homeworld trademark does not mean they own the property
#5
Mixed feelings here. While I'm happy to see that IP return to relic, I hoped they'd start a new universe.
Well anyways, it's a good thing, and a clear sign we can expect another space rts from relic.
Can anyone with some knowledge of law in general translate all that legal mumbo jumbo into plain english?
All I see is that it had it's assigned attorney changed from a Sierra one to a THQ one but what does this mean? Does it give a green light for future relic made, thq published homeworld games or grants the rights to the previous games etc.
Last edited by Hellraiser; 3rd Nov 07 at 2:01 PM.
#7
No, but it would be odd for sierra to let them have the use of the name alone.
#8
I don't care, as long as it doesn't interfere with DoW 2
"Fear nothing except in the certainty that you are your enemy's begetter and its only hope of healing. For everything that does evil is in pain."
-The Maestro Sartori, Imajica by Clive Barker
#9
For some reason I'm seeing in the first document that the revoked attorney and the new attorney is the same?
andIs what I see when I click the "TEAS Revoke Appointed Attorney" link on there. Granted, there are a lot of other attorneys listed now, but for some reason the contact address is still the same. Not sure what that means.
Although, the document was signed by James M. Kennedy, who is the "Executive Vice President, Business & Legal Affairs" for some company. Possibly this guy?
[edit]Oh wait, there's a page 2. Oops.
#10
I get the feeling the appearance of THQ's name on this wasnt intentional, at least on their part. Its been caused by Mistar Wolfs address change (well, additions). He's been on the file since 2006 but was never named as acting for THQ, possibly to keep their ownership of it quiet.
#11
Also, I'm going to laugh at you all if THQ buys the property and gives it to a different developer
#12
Then I'd probably never play a game made by Relic again.
If DoW 2 is made I'll never play another game made by relic again.
#14
A two years late birthday gift to me! Why thanks, THQ!
Homeworld 3 or bust.
Homeworld 3???
#16
Can't find the phrase "thq" anywhere, and all i can discern from that file is that the person revoked his position only to give it back to himself.
I'm calling bullshit without any less holy "evidence".
Not that i want to, i'd want "HW3" just as much as the next homeworld fanboy, but i see no clear evidence that the IP has changed to THQ's hands.
*mildly disgusted with negative price discrimination*
#17
Well damned if this isn't a nice belated birthday present for me.
THQ, give Relic permission to make HW3 or I'll... I'll... well, I don't know what I'll do, but it'll be... unfortunate.
#18
Ammon, THQ legal have their stamp on the second page, and the whole thing is signed by Jim Kennedy, vice president of THQ legal.
Compare also with CoH's Trademark files:
http://portal.uspto.gov/external/por...TEXT=78367391#
Found the whole thing yesterday, but wasn't sure what to make of it. Glad someone shares my estimation of the meaning of this.
EDIT:
Oh, Cataclysm also seems to be with THQ.
http://portal.uspto.gov/external/por...&TEXT=75857857
#19
I was hesitant at first but (edit: as Riess points out) it all looks legit to me.
Cake can change the nature of a man!
#20
I see. Didn't notice the 2-page deal.
Well then. Shall we start the HW3 speculation thread? Prequel? Sequel? Throw HW2 out the Window? Re-make HW2/dustwars? ^_^
#21
Don't we already have a bunch of those?Shall we start the HW3 speculation thread?
We ought tostorm Relic demandingsend 'em to Allie (or someone in the right department at Relic) so they know what their public demands!
PS, just slightly excited. Can you tell?
#22
They could give it to Volition. A Homeworld universe Freespace style space-em-upAlso, I'm going to laugh at you all if THQ buys the property and gives it to a different developer
WOA!A Homeworld universe Freespace style space-em-up
...*continues drooling while daydreaming the first missions*
...well, at least we got the FS2 source code project
Close the worLd, .txEn eht nepO
Only the forgotten are truly dead.
Welcome back Homeworld ,we missed you.
-Ulti-
Now you've gone and made me excited about this, my doctor says I shouldn't be this excited. You really are bad people, you know, making me get so excited.
"We are the most civilised race in the world. We have more exquisite ways to kill than any other."Lord Vraneth the Cruel, master of Har GanethFormerly DarkelfLord
#27
Take some sedatives
Give us Homeworld fans a break. You dowers have what, 4 expansion packs?! Coh's 1st one is out, and there hasn't been anything homeworld-related released at all since HW2. Stop being so greedy
*p.s. on the bright side it seems that they're milking the DOW franchise with all these expansions
Not sure if they intended to do anything with the license other than to be able to sell Homeworld 1, 2, and Cataclysm back to us.
But still hoping for Homeworld 3.
#29
Wow.
Wonderful news, indeed.
Nothing else even needs be said. Just great news.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle
"Hey parker, what do you think that flying ship that looks like a huge blue banana is?"They could give it to Volition. A Homeworld universe Freespace style space-em-up
"..."
"Oh right, you don't talk."
#31
Im on a hunger strike until they start making HW2, i just hope i can hold out long enough.
Proud member of Clan Soban Force
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start eating then HW2 is old dude! :O
#33
Two. Two expansions.Give us Homeworld fans a break. You dowers have what, 4 expansion packs?!
You HW guys have an expansion and a sequel. You don't get to complain.
#34
Three, Pally. Winter Assault, Dark Crusade, and now Soulstorm was just officially announced.
-- Retro
#35
no, YOU GW's got Dawn of War AND Winter Assault AND Dark Crusade AND the PSP one AND the 4th edition Tabletop BIBLE AND Codex Tau AND Codex Space Marine AND Codex Dark Eldar AND Miniatures AND campaigns AND god knows what else. Oh, that's right, and Soulstorm is coming up.
We HW guys have 3 games.
oh, we get to complain plenty. Yes sir.
#36
In my unblemished, yearned-for ideal of receiving-a-letter-from-Rob-Cunningham-demanding-that-I-apply-to-the-development-team dream, a fourth Homeworld title would help distinguish a little of the history between the two main games, and look beyond the Hiigarans to the state of the wider galaxy.Well then. Shall we start the HW3 speculation thread? Prequel? Sequel? Throw HW2 out the Window? Re-make HW2/dustwars? ^_^
The newly-founded Taidanii Republic is experiencing growing pains, having a torrid and terrible time struggling to assert her authority as millenia-old societies and customs are rudely uprooted, jumbled, shattered, splintered, torn and otherwise devastated, leaving her populace drifting in a baffled funk, raging in confused anarchy, or remaining obdurate against change. Struggling arduously to raise themselves out of the detritus and rubble of catastrophic social collapse, the beleaguered provisional government sends an embassy to the Turanic Kingdoms in an effort to renew the ancient accord that served the old Empire so faithfully and recruit a force which can help to police the ragged potholed spacelanes and ruddy-red skies whilst the government seeks to assert itself (players might think of an allusion to a declining Rome inviting the Germanic barbarians to defend their borders).
In a grand (by the rustic Turanic standards) conclave held on the Henge, the sole and sacred point of junction that links together the wandering paths of the Turanic flotillas, the assembled Kingdoms resoundingly reject the Republic's proposal. Perhaps they are not the most civilised of nations amongst the stars, but they understand pride and honour, and as they see it the Republic has neither. The Empire was invested with glory, and could carry herself with poise and dignity, invested with an awesome mass of history and heritage that ennobled her actions with compelling, cosmic weight, and her subjects united and repurposed in an aspiration to a higher vision - but the representatives of the new Republic are decried as having shorn away that tremendous presence, leaving nothing but mean, petty, contemptible figures, scrabbling around in the dirt for their own betterment. The Turanic people are plain folk who know what they love and love what they know - they don't love the new Republic, they don't know her, and they certainly don't want any truck with her. With a reounding dismissal reverberating across space, the embassy is summarily sent packing.
The provisional government is left smarting - the inheritors of a once-great power being so baldly confounded by squabbling primitives out in the boondocks of nowhere greatly diminishes its standing, and with its credibility and ability both fast crumbling, it's left trapped in an unenviable Catch-22. The new government wants to banish the ghosts of the past by advancing into a less bellicose future - but unless it'll can prove that they can actually do something, it'll founder all too soon... and then Taidaan won't be an Empire or a Republic, she'll just be a failure. As such, the decision is made to show that the old dog can still bite, and the Republic returns to the Henge with virtually the entirety of the Armada in a sledgehammer assault, overrunning the tribal fleets dallying there, smashing their rickety space stations to Meccano sets, pounding the surface to ruin and demanding the capitulation of the Kingdoms before they will contemplate a withdrawl.
Debilitating shock at having their sancrosanct space savaged and sundered so suddenly virtually paralyses the wider Kingdoms into submission. Resistance can be found, though, in the form of one King Hereward, who successfully eludes the massed guns of the Republic Armada at Henge and immediately falls back into the Turanic nation's forthright fighting ways in planning to expel them from their heartland - but that's something as a pipe dream, seeing as he only has half-a-dozen battered ships riddled with holes like Swiss cheese and all falling apart at the seams. Thus begins a dramatic march across the galaxy, capturing new ships, forming simpatico with a band of determined Imperial Loyalists, buying allies, eluding rival pirates and bloodying the noses of those insufferably smug Hiigaran prats when they try to stick their nose in and gloat, all culminating to a peak of ravaging the Republic, retaking Henge, and reclaiming their own Homeworld.
Go on, Relic, you know that it's an amazing adventure! I won't even charge royalties!
Last edited by Robert Frazer; 3rd Nov 07 at 6:25 PM.
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#37
Best thing I've heard all day.
The only thing that could make it better would be for Buggo to come and confirm that THQ now does actually hold the IP...
#38
I hadn't heard about Soulstorm. And I'm rather pissed off if they're making another expansion. Quit it! We want a sequel on a new engine dammit!
From what I understand, Soulstorm isn't being made by Relic. As Relic already said they won't make any more expansions for DoW2.
#40
Soulstorm is not completely made by them, they're outsourcing part of the work. Now why they did this, or rather what else they are working on right now is what we have to guess. (My money's on DoW2, but with these news, who knows!)
I believe that's the one thing they'll never be able to again. No matter who holds the trademark or intellectual property, the games were published by Sierra, and so nobody else should be able to sell them. So no, no re-releases of HW1&2 with THQ logo on them.Not sure if they intended to do anything with the license other than to be able to sell Homeworld 1, 2, and Cataclysm back to us.
#41
excellent news
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#42
Hey! Time for some super scouts!
#43
/me taps z key rapidly
(Previously, and still occasionally zbobet2012)
#44
F2kzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
omg
Homeworld 3, please. It will make my life.
#46
Get a different one.
Honestly, all this godly HW2 Eye of Arran / Sajuuk / omg a deity's in my toilet / I'm an agnostic that just likes pew pew but it's all way too big for me
has made me want to start the HW franchise over again. Break the Hiigaran empire down into slavery, but preserve the tiniest spark of potential hope. Find a new Karan S'jet as a prophet of ancient, forgotten, and denied greatness. Start over from nothing and create hope for a defeated once-great civilization.
Don't make HW3. REMAKE HW1, ten thousand years later. With dignity. And when there's something to cheer about.
Oh, and include lots of big splodeys.
-- Retro
Last edited by Retroboy; 3rd Nov 07 at 6:38 PM.
#47
/me is pleased.
I now have something to live for.
#48
I'm sick of the whole Homeworld 3 hipe. How about they skip it announce Homeworld 4? Save everyone a lot of trouble.
Yay! More Homeworld stuff from Relic. Maybe. Hopefully.
#49
fneep, "HW3" is a symbolic representation of the next Homeworld-universe-based game. It doesn't necessarily have to be a sequel
You should feel lucky. you're getting expansions and other stuff. Us HW-fans have to live off other games and fan-fiction/art, which is great, but isn't quite "Homeworld"I hadn't heard about Soulstorm. And I'm rather pissed off if they're making another expansion. Quit it! We want a sequel on a new engine dammit!
/me wants to build a Kadeshi empire in the nebulae preying on passing merchant ships...
Mixed feelings tbh.
Glad to see that we'll probably see another Homeworld game, but also not sure if it'll be that good. The Relic of now are completely different to the makers of Homeworld 1. And if they make anything like Homeworld 2, it won't be worth it.
I wouldn't actually mind if they gave it to another developer, let's not forget that many Homeworld fans absolutely loved Cata, and some of them would even say that Barking Dog did a better job than Relic.
And of course we have the THQ factor. I hope they don't interfere.
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