Eastern Front or Pacific?

[Thadius]

I agree that things with the existing games should be balanced etc. before anything new is put into action, but for me any new nations or 2 for another expansion would be a must buy for me. COH is such a big franchise even if alot of people here are frustrated with COH at the moment, it will probably get better and hopefully back to the 1.7 quality we all enjoyed.

[Limming]

I would like to see the russians but NOT the japanese. if they decide to go make a japanese side. i will be very very VERY dissapointed cause. japan never had any fights in europe! CoH in jungle area's? no thnx

What the heck are you talking about jungles were mostly in the South Pacific (if I rember right) And I dont think jungle whould be any proplem.

I think the Japes and Marines whould be a very good game sepert multiplayer for oviouse reasons. Heck they chould base the campaign about Iwo Jima no jungle there just plain old baran island.

[Lethal Dosage]

For everyone suggesting Japs... there is a 98% chance that it won't happen, because;
1. The current engine won't be able to handle all the trees, jungles, swamps, etc. as well as infantry hordes and all the fighting. Keep in mind that user made swamp maps lag a bit already, and their pretty sparse on the trees, Pacific maps would have to have heaps of trees, reeds and all that as well in the swamps. Revamping the visuals and all again is too much work for a simple expansion, and the requirements would be too beefy for todays average gamer. But my guess is if there is a CoH2 or some such it will be purely Pacific, as there's even room for 2-3 expansions in the Pacific theatre alone.

2. Japs would be impossible to balance against the '44 armies that were in normandy, same goes the the US Marines, which are the most likely choice as their very infantry heavy and light on armour.

The best choice would be a Russian faction w/ '43/44 campaign probably starting around the german Op Citadel and the russian advances after that. And an Italian Faction with a campaign around Sicily and Italy (italian infantry, crewed weapons, and light armour, and supplemented by heavier german armour). this wouldn't be too radical, as in OF the two factions' campaigns are fought in two different areas, and not directly related. the would be balanced as the Ruski's have a wide variety of weapons and armour to choose from for the best balance, and the italians had good, brave infantry and weapon crews, and it would still be correct (and cheaper development-wise) if they were supplemented by german armour. It would still be correct multiplay-wise too (as everyone's screaming that it would be wrong to have japs fighting in normandy) as the Italians fought against the US and Brits in Sicily and Italy as well as against the Russians on the eastern front (which they could make a few appearances in the Russian campaign). So it all works out balance-wise, historicaly, and gameplay-wise. And all the maps are still in the general Europe area, their really isn't any need for too many new textures and terrains, only buildings and some trees since the russian campaign doesn't need to be fought in the snow, and most mid-late war battles weren't, especially most of the major ones.

[SeniorDingDong]

Dont add Italy.

"It took 9 Months for the italien soldiers to beat some with arrows and bows fighting african tribes. And then their elite force lost against an already beaten france."
-Adolf Hitler

Trust this man they suck ass. I am sure I could grab my swiss army knife , invade Italy and counquer this country alone because mario & luigi cant fight or even win anything.

And they never end a war on the same side they startet.

[Panzer Jager]

think of this; if russia is added, there could be:

Maps specific to Russia vs. Axis
Vise Versa
A Russian single-player campaign
A Wehrmacht single-player campaign

[elite]

No Pacific theater please! Japan WWII armour sucks.
Give us the Eastern front!
And there really are many unused german vehicles:
Panzer I-III, JagdTiger, SturmTiger, Elephant, Nashorn, KingTiger (Porsche version), KübelWagen, SchwimmWagen, STUG IV, Wespe, Brummbar...

The tracks of panzers should be vulnerable, infantry should get on and travel on the panzers also.

Also PE and Wermacht could be mixed...

[SeniorDingDong]

Panzer I was already outdated in Poland, same for Panzer II, but in its "L" (Luchs) variant it was a nice scouting tank like the Stuart. Panzer III was also outdated as main battle tank, but could have a use as flame tank or in a very late edition like J.

There where only 18 Sturmtiger build in WW2. Anyway it could work like a AVRE and would be nice to have

Elephant/Nashorn are the Marder III in Nightmare mode. Its a rolling Flak 88 / Tiger Gun. Have fun allies :P

Kübelwagen is the granddady of the good old VW Käfer (Beatle), would be a good cap or scouting car.

STUG IV is already ingame You mean the much morre frequent StuG III, would be a faster,cheaper but less armored StuG IV.

Jagdtiger would be the pure awesomeness ! It had a devastating 128mm gun and even more armor than a King Tiger. This is the big and evil brother of the Japdpanther.

I would also like to see :

Japdpanzer IV

Spoiler

Heavy armored StuG 4 chassis with Panther gun

[Buck_Nekkid]

I'm sorry to hear many people don't want a Japanese expansion. Eastern Front would be cool, but I'm afraid it would turn into the typical rush-to-armor style of game play.

A Pacific Expansion could really expand and refine infantry combat: Jap morale, fortifications and stealth vs. American/Brit firepower and logistics with some Stuart and Chi-Ha tanks in support. Besides, in the name of gameplay, I wouldn't mind if Relic took a few liberties with the Japanese order of battle. Make it fun is my only request.

If any of you played Avalon Hill's Squad Leader back in the days of board games, you'll know how fun the Pacific can be.

[roddrip]

I would like to see:

North Africa
Mediterranean (especially Italy, but not nessesarily an Italian side)
Eastern Front
Battle of the Bulge
Pacific Theatre

We don't need a new German side for the Eastern front. Wehrmacht will do fine. If there is going to be a new German side, it should be the Afrika Korps. Russians for the Allies, and Japanese for the Axis. The Americans and British as they are will do fine for the pacific.

[Caelib]

I'm going to guess Pacific, it's a radical departure from the current style, which is what gamers would like to see in a sequel.

[SeniorDingDong]

I dont :P

I would rather like to see CoH2 it in a modern day setting or with a 40k scenario.

Wait, just go the Idea about a "Early WW2" Sequel that shows north africa, greece or the invasion of france. Good way to trough in Panzer I-III, Crusaders, Matilda II etc.

[Pershing720]

We don't need a new German side for the Eastern front. Wehrmacht will do fine. If there is going to be a new German side, it should be the Afrika Korps.

Yes we do. The wehrmacht is nice but it is also old. There NEEDS to be a new German army for a Russian front and I have complete faith in Relic to pull it off. Afrika Korps wouldn't blend well with the current armys at all.

[Limming]

1. The current engine won't be able to handle all the trees, jungles, swamps, etc. as well as infantry hordes and all the fighting.

Once agian I said that that is only in the south pacific. They chould make a whole campaign about Iwo Jima and Okinawas (Hope I'm spelling that right). Iwo alone was a month and one of the bloodyest battle's of the war and by far the bloodyest of the Pacific theater, and if they realy wanted to get fancy they chould add the dropping of the atomic bombs on Herisama and Nagiske (once again hope I'm spelling that).

2. Japs would be impossible to balance against the '44 armies that were in normandy, same goes the the US Marines, which are the most likely choice as their very infantry heavy and light on armour.

This whould be a compltly different game I agree there whould be no way to have it complatable online with the armies now cept some form of the brits in burma and early war. The main focuse whould be on marines struggling inch by inch across an 8 mile long 2 mile wide be of hell called Iwo Jima geting masacred every inch by japanes tunnles,mg's and morters.

[MrSomeguy]

Do we REALLY need a THIRD german army?

I say we should add in the japs, sure they pretty much sucked, but their pilots were pretty good, and kamikazi planes would be a sweet end tree ability (although it would add to your casualty list).

I know thats japs sucked, but so did the sherman, and they made it fit.

[Limming]

The japs didnt suck they just didnt have the need for armore like in the west it was mainly naval air and land. And how can you say they suck when they inflicted so many causltys on the marines?

[B4_life]

because to inflict those casualties, they often suffered casualties four times as high.

[MrSomeguy]

And they used tanks from WWI.

[Limming]

Yea will they were a bit sucidile..

[Sowilo]

I am so tired of this topic

[The Big Sleazy]

I think the italians would definately work for the next expansion. As a lot of people have said before, the fought side by side with the Germans in Sicily and Northern Italy in the years of the war in which CoH is set. They did fight with the Germans in Russia as well, but I think Italy might have pulled the 8th Army by 1944 from Russia.

Italy had a lot of different infantry types that could work in the game, regulars, conscripts, alpini, san marcos marines, bersalgeri, black shirts, etc and you could do something with officers in the squads or something to deal with the morale issue to keep some historical balance.

Even though their armor was obsolete, they did have the P40 that was equivalent to Allied tanks right before Rome switched sides and there were only a few, but it would be historically accurate. But you could do something like have an option to field some of their lighter tanks/tankettes at lower costs and higher numbers to give some flexibilty for a commander. Plus they could add some mountain based maps that could present interesting strategice challenges.

Having played Eastern Front, Blitzkrieg, CoH, Hearts of Iron, and even Squad Leader board game(one of the things that made the board game great was the depth in armies that you could play as...axis minors, allied minors, etc), CoH is the best WWII strategy game of all time. I think if they included some factions besides the usual suspects it would put it on an even higher level by itself.

There isn't much to say about the Russians that hasn't already been said!

A lot of the other posters are right, there are still a lot of late war german tanks that are awesome (ie Ferdinand, Brummbar) that would be awesome to have in the game too. Maybe with the expansion add a few units to the other factions like they do with DoW!!!

[Hank34]

Okay... this is what I think...
1. If they did do Japs, which could be cool, they would have to do another US side... mainly Marines... the tech trees for japs could include booby traps, bonzi rushes, kamikasi planes crashing in game, naval bombardments... the US marines could have flamethrower units (not engis but a squad of flamers), landing craft re-enforcements, some sort of officers like the brits have, naval bombardments.... Granted Japs wouldnt fit in the Europe setting as is now but as mentioned earlier they could fight on island maps... Playing as the Marines would be bad ass...

2. The more probable expansion armies would be the ruskies and (sigh) yet another German army... different obviously than the ones already in game...the ruskies tech and units is endless... so much they could do with it... I really dont know what german army they could do... whatever they did maybe make it a really defensive army to counter the PE and Wehr offensive strats....

Hoping for Japs and Marines.... Prolly gonna get Ruskies and Germans again

[bottenbreker]

to hank34: how will you fix the idea of having japs in maps like lyon? it would be like kicking realisme completely out the window. i want soviets and ? as i said before. japs and marines would be cool but i don't see a way how to combine the european theater with the japs :s

[Hank34]

You are right... it prolly wouldn't work. They could make it so if one player was Japs then they would have to fight on an island map ( and you could use the new US Marines, or regular US or Brits) but this idea doesn't work for 2 v 2 or more... so it will prolly be Eastern Front with Russians and Another German army...

[bottenbreker]

no offence to you hank but i just don't see it working. you will be seeing japs running through france supported by german panthers etc. :s srry, no thnx. i think relic can better stay in europe or perhaps africa? (though as i said before, you will have the same prob)

[Sicj]

If they dont have the battle of Sevastopol, Leningrad, Stalingrad, and THE BATTLE OF KURSK .... im NEVER and i mean NEVER buying into relic EVER again and i mean it to the max... Even if they release homeworld 3 im not buying.... /crys.

The Eastern Front Decided the fate of Nazi Germany more so than the western. If u don't know or believe that look at the battle of Tripoli in WW1 compared to the Invasion of Italy & D-Day, without those Russo's and Krauts at eachother's throats we would have been pushed back into the sea, if not for them keeping em busy.


Those were MONSTROUSLY ENORMOUS battles that would take 30 missions just to skim on in this game. They would need to add more "CALL IN" features in this game such as calling in the panthers for panzer elite... you could "Call In" Elaphante tank Destroyers for Mobile AT at Kursk or what not... its a great feature they added there that needs to be used by all sides here in OF im suprised the dev team hasnt taken advantage of that.

Id mainly want to see more emphasis put on Artillery guns as well such as those 200 - 600mm MORTARS the germans used to blast into the Defense Works of the Red Armys. Id really like to see the IS-2, SU-100, SU-85, SU-152 and other red army weapons its not much to ask considering the sheer amount of weaponry employed at that time that this game misses out on showing off.

Its the novelty of putting such weapons in this game... weapons that the AI will use to the fullest and online play that goes uninterrupted and uninhibited by you Relic my dear it would pay off more than you realize

Sadly though i doubt we will see anything ADDED to this game any further than OF... There AI SUCKS immensely, its broken, it doesnt make good use of attacking and i dont think there gonna fix it cuz they consider it to be "fine". To me its incapable of being used to such high degree of intensity in such massive battles unless they make the enemy in fixed positions that you have to conquer such as they did in COH and COHOF.. it gets boring and drawn out we all know the AI's weakness and know well that its pretty incapable of giving u much trouble.

[BuBisBack]

An Eastern Front expansion would be excellent. I am worried that PE already operates a bit too much as the Russians would, though. Also the American Infantry Company uses the same tactics (PE: Spam Grenadiers, USAIC: Spam Rangers).

One question: Will the Russians get Level 10 Production? XD They should. It'd be historically accurate!

[Cossack]

If they dont have the battle of Sevastopol, Leningrad, Stalingrad, and THE BATTLE OF KURSK .... im NEVER and i mean NEVER buying into relic EVER again and i mean it to the max... Even if they release homeworld 3 im not buying.... /crys.

But I want to see the russian triumph of 44-45, the liberation of the Poland, the Operation Bagration, Berlin in ruins.

[whatsleft]

eastern front. sure u can add in other allied nations but i'd rather see new vehicle models, soldier types. rather than all those sherman variants and some other american/brits armour. it wouldnt be so fun to see the same old stuff all over again. i wanna see russians in their trench coat picking germans off and their t-34s.

as for the new axis faction, its tricky. japs wouldnt fit in so well, afrika korps do not differ much from wehrmacht. maybe a defensive based axis faction would work. an italian army would not be extremely practical. they just dont have the material for a new faction. maybe u can give them a couple of panzer variants, i will prefer a new german faction if thats the case.