Historical Skin Mod (v1.0) - 2.62 Compliant

[luciferum]

Thanks for those comments...

Next update of the Historical Skin Mod on it's way...
updates list:
- new skin for King Tiger (the one above is tuned and details added);
- new skin for GI's
- new skin for the US engineer;
And update of the Sdkfz 221/222
Here a preview of the GI's on the Jeep



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Here are the shots of the new models included in next update of HSM:
- A finalized KT (details added and colour adjusted) from the 1st Cny of 503 Schwere abt.

- US Engineer

- US Riffleman from the 2nd Ard Div. (Hells on wheels)

[Lethal Dosage]

Luciferum, it seems you accidently painted the hull MG on the King Tiger yellow.

[luciferum]

Right... I fixed the MG colour and adjusted and repaint some parts... My best skin ????

[Celution]

Well, at the end of the gun barrel, there should be black dust, from all the shells it already fired.
But very nice skin, I like you've made the red darker.

[Slayerknecht]

Great Skins! Will the US engineer get divisional markings, too?

btw: HSM now supports newsletters, that's nice, I like that.

[tskross]

Great skins luciferm, just one thing, if you're going for historical accuracy in the ETO, that rifleman's jacket should be more of an olive color, not khaki and the pants should have a bit of a brown tint (but given dust and dirt the color you have is probably okay too)

[luciferum]

The update described few posts before is now online !!!
@tkross:
I had made some researchs for the riffleman... but I will check again.
Divisional markings for engineer will come in next update.

Enjoy !

[tskross]

Yeah luciferm that is the north africa/italian theatre jacket. The ones for western europe were green...trust me, I have an original one

[luciferum]

TKRoss:
Well, what I'm sure is that there were a lot of mixes of clothes in the US Army... for example the trousers : oldest model was brownish and 1943 one was green. Both were worn on the field in Normandy (my mod is june to oct. 1944).
For the jacket, I need to check about variations ... I do believe you've got one but I also saw colour pics or movies (genuine) with sand brown jacket in Normandy....

[Lethal Dosage]

If it's not your best, it'd be in your top 1!

[georider]

@ luciferum I agree with you, US troops used to wear the olive dril jacket with the chaki drav trousers , and after the D-day they made many mix in their uniforms.
The stay with The green uniforms after the fall until the end of WAR. After WWII the used only the olive green until the end of Vietnam and since then they used the camo patterns of Forest (europe) Desert ( 1 golf war) Desert cammo 2 (2 Golf war) and their last variation in Afganistan that looks like the SS dot but with Drill and Drav only.

[tskross]

Actually the US army, on the whole did not mix their uniforms, the quartermaster general regularly issued the new uniforms, and while these may have taken quite some time to reach fighting front line troops (the m1943 uniform, was commissioned in 1943 but did not see service until market garden), before large operations, overlord, market garden, etc, all infantry, armored and airborne divisions were completely re-outfitted in the months leading up to the invasion. While some individual veterans of other campaigns may have held on to pieces of their original uniforms on the whole the troops got (and appreciated) new uniforms and equipment. The mixing of uniforms came mostly mid campaign or when in a defensive posture while caught unprepared while hastily trying to refit the troops (i.e. ardennes) As far as reference pictures go one has to be careful because most are hand tinted, but there is a set of well known US army color photos of the first ranger battalion on d-day here is one:


I'm not telling you how to do your mod though, if you prefer it the way you have it, more power to ya! And I will concede that there are many variations in the colors of green and brown from different dye lots (which you can see in the pic above).

oh and geo, no disrespect but olive drill is not a color, khaki drill is, but is a comonwealth designation, the US uses Olive Drab, with shades specified from 3-9, OD3 being the shade used in North Africa and Italy and OD6-7 in Normandy, late war going up to OD9, the darkest...
...and yes I know I'm a dork

[luciferum]

@tskross:
Well.. I must admit I think I've made a mistake. I also made some researches...
My idea was that M41 jacket (with what you describe as OD-3 color) was commonly worn over M43 HBT trousers (OD-7, I guess)... but actually, trousers were with brown wool trousers and M43 HBT came later after D-DAY as you wrote.
Anyway, thanks for your advises. My aim is to produce a mod with realistical textures and this forum community is really helpfull for that.
For now... my rifleman skin is just better than the Relic one but not historicaly accurate.
What about the Relic ranger ? Ranger seemed to have no really different uniforms than GIs. relic make them wear an assault jacket (Harian, I guess). I read this assault jacket was only given to NCOs. What shoult I do ? give rangers a Riffleman model ?
I will go on my studies and realease an histically accurate Rifleman.

[tskross]

luciferm,
yeah you're right about the rangers, I always just left them because I thought that the variation was important, but just now it has occurred to me that it may be possible to use role variations and/or model mixing to combine the rifleman skin with the ranger equipment, which I think would be much more accurate.
I think your rifleman uniform looks great, its just that since I know you're going for historical accuracy I thought I should speak up about the color. Maybe the guys doing the italian front or afrika mods could use it!!
I too really appreciate the support and dialogue here, and its nice to see what everybody is doing, so keep up the great work!

[georider]

Nice you're both accurate. Keep on but I've suggest to create some Free France uniforms also ,They used nice decals ,It 'll look fine.

[Lethal Dosage]

Geo, you not quite right about the US uniforms. While verious shades of Olive Drab was the primary uniform colour/pattern up until after vietnam, camo patterns like the Pacific pattern issued to US Marines during WW2 (and a similar pattern issued to snipers and the such in Europe), as well as variations of the Tiger stripe pattern during Vietnam saw use. Post vietnam, i think the patterns you were referring to were the US Woodland, 6 Colour Desert (choc chip - 1st Gulf war), 3 Colour Desert (2nd Gulf War), ACU (2nd Gulf War and Afghanistan), and the various DigiCam patterns. Which realy doesn't look like and SS dot pattern, but post WW2 is really irrevelant here.

I never actually knew that about the Rangers, i just though they were issued to the majority of Rangers, and even some issue to other troops. Either way i do know that they could be rather uncomfortable, and were sometimes discarded in preference for the webbing on issue to the regular infantry, so even if you decide to replace the rangers with a reskinned Rifleman model, it'd be some-what historically correct.

[georider]

@Lethal Dosage thanks for the correction about uniforms
Also the France army used the Us marine uniform and the standard US uniform during the Vietnam war 1945-1953. Also they used the British Paratrooper uniforms . This is an idea If someone like to make some uniforms for after WWII.
Anyway sorry @luciferum that I post some irrelevant issues in your topic.

[luciferum]

Thanks guys for those informations... I think I'm on the way to produce a more historical accurate GI.
My conclusion for now is, considering the model shape, he's wearing M37 trousers (no pockets) that is chocolate brown and an M41 jacket which should be olive drab.
Considering pics I saw of GIs in Normandy, M41 jacket seemed to be quite light colour.
I made a test and I would appreciate comments on this new issue:

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Seems that there was a problem on the pic. Here it is now:


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here is a screenshot of one of the new incoming skins: US SHERMAN


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Next update of the mod will also include a reskined Sherman Firefly. The model shown belongs to the "A" Squadron (yellow triangle) from the 5th Royal Tank regiment (number 52) of the 7th Armoured Division:

[Slayerknecht]

Great!

[georider]

Very nice fire fly .You should change the decals of the 7th armor and put the decals of the polish if you want to keep the stars , otherwise remove the stars . The decals is the one that makes the model historical accurate and your model is so make a small change and it will be GREAT.
Very nice GI's from Patton Div Keep on .

[luciferum]

Last update of my mod is online and pics below are showing new or modified models.

@Georider:
Wel.. I must admit you were right. I search again in my documentation pictures of brit Sherman with white stars and the only one I've found is one from a polish unit... Then I removed the star
Actually my model was based on a picture of a model kit in a book on operation "Goodwood"... the modeller may have made this mistake.
But... I have pic were it seems to appear a kind of white marking on the top of the turret of several shermans and wonder if it's not white stars, made to avoid friendly casuality from air support.


More detail picss to come later:

[georider]

luciferum Thanks, yes the round star was for air recognition.

[Slayerknecht]

Great Update. The Wehrmacht Units that were colouradjusted suit together perfectly now. Can you also the adjust the Halftrack like that too, cuz it looks little odd right now. Also very good US forces Skins and great Firefly.

[luciferum]

@slayerknecht:
Thanks.
I've made colour adjustments for the "Wehrmacht" units in order they match together.
The HT you're talking about is Panzer Elite one so I will adjust it with other PE units.
But you're right, something has to be done

[luciferum]

Here is a preview of the new officer for the Axis i.e. Waffen SS Officer for the 10th Frundsberg Divisio I've chosen for my mod.
Comments welcomed:

[Celution]

OMG!! Nice officer, best one I've seen so far.

[MarMul]

I like so much at that new officer for Wehrmacht. When you released new version at HSM? Sorry my bad english...

[Celution]

luciferum, could you also make a skin without the SS thing, and release your infantry skins also alone? Because to download the whole skinpack for one new skin.....
If you would make the new skin without the SS, I could that use that for the Wehrmacht Officer for my mod and this one for the Waffen SS (Panzer Elite change to Waffen SS in my mod)

[luciferum]

@MarMul:
New release of HSM will be done when I'll make 2 more new skins (at least).
I've worked on Sturmgeschutz, 'Wehr' grenadier, and a tank crewman but I'm not really happy of the work yet... so may be 2 weeks more to wait.
@Celestial:
Ok... I will release this Waffen SS officer as stand alone... next week-end.
... but no hope for now to make a Wehrmacht officer, I've got no time for that...
Actually I worked almost 3 to 4 hours on this SS officer... each of the 5 pics needed for the texture have been modified and it would take me too long to change it... sorry.

[Celution]

It's ok, Never realised it was so hard to take away those small SS detail stuff. I'll look for another Wehrmacht officer on the forum, or just use this one as well.

[luciferum]

@Celestial:
could be easy if only "diff" file is changed that means just changing colours... but I try to make my skins as perfect as possible so I change glossiness, occlusion, and normal maps to get the best effect even if u look close to the model... It's also why I'm quite slow to reskin models...

[Celution]

I really love your skins so much luciferum! Maby because you a perfectionist, just like I am.....

[luciferum]

@celestial:
You can get the officer skin as almost standalone getting the update HSM v0.57to0.60

[Celution]

Nice skins luciferum! And nice announcced too.
The German Tank Commander is already in the pack?

[luciferum]

@Celestial:
The german King Tiger Commander is in the update

[kapulA]

Excellent work luciferum!
Both the officer and the tank commander look excellent. By the way, is the tank commander the model they intended to use as that Tiger ace Schultz in the SP campaign or is it just model-mixed?

[nizz]

nice tiger ace commander. do you release a camo version of the tank commander?

[luciferum]

@kapulIA:
The king tiger commander replaces "Maximillian Voss" who is, I guess, the KT commander of the campaign... but I'm not sure exactly about this point as I didn't played the campaign.
Installing my mod, you'll have a new KT commander for online game, it's the only thing I'm sure of.
@nizz:
No camo panzer jacket planned for now... but I could change my mind... depend of one thing I want to discuss with Georider...

[Lethal Dosage]

No Voss isn't the Commander in the PE Campaign, it's Aldrich Berger, and KapulA, if your referring to the Tiger Ace Campaign hinted at from Tales of Valor, no, thats another Voss (father/brother/son perhaps?).

[kapulA]

Nah, I was talking about the Tiger Ace in vCoH, that mission where you had to take him out and got 1 Pershing at the start. I recall reading somewhere that there was a special model for Schultz, the commander of that Tiger and that he would have probably been sticking out of the turret, much like the KT commander does now. It would explain the oddly empty open turret hatch on that Tiger anyways, so I was wondering if he was an un-used model you found or if you created him via model-mixing?

[Celution]

No, the vCoH Tiger Ace has no commander, and won't have a commander. (maby in Tales of Valor).
I have no idea why Relic made the hatch open, without putting a commander in the turret

[georider]

@No Voss isn't the Commander in the PE Campaign, it's Aldrich Berger, and KapulA, if your referring to the Tiger Ace Campaign hinted at from Tales of Valor, no, thats another Voss (father/brother/son perhaps?).
This Voss maybe is Wittman or Ball(the Gunner) ,battle of Villers Bogase ,Tank Aces from 101 Abt 1SS "LSSAH".

[Slayerknecht]

Voss is the general in the PE campaign, which gives orders to you. You can see him in some cutscenes, but only seldom. The guy from the US Camapaign is Schultz. And yeah with Tales OF Valor there will be a Tiger with commander (I've seen screens in a german Magazine called PC Games)

[Celution]

Can you give me a link where to buy that magazine, or is there a online picture?

[Slayerknecht]

http://www.pcgames.de/
Screenshots aren't available online, but you can buy it as PDF download.

edit: Another magazine posted the screens online: http://www.gamestar.de/news/pc/strat..._of_valor.html

[Celution]

Well, the magazine should have the pictures from somewhere, so they must be also for public.

But isn't the Tiger Ace Campaign in the new BETA versions? And if so, does it have the Commander?

[luciferum]

Here is the preview shot for the new panzer crew used for "wehrmacht" faction. (The previous one was KT leader). This work is based on 'Georider' mix basic model (feldgrau uniform).
All camo is homemade, a necktie has been added and shoulder ranks insignas. Cap insignas have been remade too as well as its colour. The belt buckle is now genuine Waffen SS one. Moreover, specular and normal maps have been reworked for ranks, buckle, necktie and insignas. (normal map is responsible for bevel effect on model).

On jacket, there's no collar tabs insignas nor eagle on the arm as it was usual for camo panzer jacket(44 dot pattern).

[Celution]

Nice luciferum! Could you also make a German SP-gun crew skin?
They should look like Georider's Feldgrau skin, but with a volks cap.

[Lethal Dosage]

I finally downloaded HSM yesterday, can you believe the last version i seem to have downloaded was v0.28? God Luciferum, you've done a lot of hard work, now i just have to find the time to look at it all. Thanks for fixing my little issue, and pointing me to the patch too!

And yes, now that i have finally been able to downlaod HSM, i'm gonna pinch you BMW R75 (per your suggestion), especially since i did quite like when you made it.

[Slayerknecht]

Very good crew man!

Has work on the Stug continued?