[2.301] Make Anti aircraft work

[Monkeypoop]

It seems that antiaircraft is woefully inadequate. You can have scouting runs and strafing and bombinb runs flying all over the place but the 88mm and puma can never shoot them down.......

On the odd chance that your 400 mp 70ish fuel 88m actually connects a hit, half the time the flaming airplane just crashes into your troops/88 destroying it...

The flak 88 is useful only vs tanks and is very vulnerable to arty. Shouldn't that huge investment in a Anti air gun at least give you some anti air ability at least half the time?

[zzSleeper]

Flak 88 rapes tanks, it doesnt need to be buffed.

Artillery is easy to counter, just recrew and repair inbetween the barrages.

[Schwarzwald]

Flak 88 rapes tanks, it doesnt need to be buffed.

Artillery is easy to counter, just recrew and repair inbetween the barrages.

Don't believe hes asking for 88s to ''rape'' tanks anymore, what hes asking more of is to fix its anti-air capabilities because right now it is piss poor for a anti air gun.

If it were me though, i would love to add an option on the 88 to be a artillery piece, cost munitions or whatever with no anti tank/anti air power to make the game more diverse a upgrade perhaps to that extent.

[zzSleeper]

If anti-air actually becomes effective Henshel needs to not send in 6 different planes instead it should just send in one.

[Latias418]

I think you're missing the point...Anti-aircraft in this game is in it because it's usually very effective vs. infantry (or in the case of the 88mm, tanks). You don't use anything as anti-aircraft. There is really not enough aircraft in this game to justify anything being bought for anti-aircraft purposes. And useful ONLY vs. tanks? It's very effective against tanks, how is the investment not worth it when it lols at their face?

[Monkeypoop]

when he just spams rangers and captures your investment since you were down 400 mp on the field?

[Guardsman Yoshi]

The flak 88 is useful only vs tanks

Wrong!

The Flak 88 is also extremely effective against weapons teams. A properly placed Flak Gun can destroy Mortar teams, MG teams, and AT Guns.

Anti-air is probably not even considered by the balance team. Just ignore the fact that there is even such a thing as anti-air.

[D'yer Mak'er]

Said it before, but anti-air is just a single player gimmick. Anything labeled AA is good against infantry or in the 88's case, tanks.

[neverworther]

Flak 88 is dreadfully ineffective considering the amount of baby sitting it requires, and how much better the non-doctrine specific 17lber is, ill spend my resources elsewhere.

[Flip_Lx]

eh whirlewinds and ostwinds are great for taking out airborne and dropped at guns while they float to the field

as for the 88 i've seen it shoot down its fair number of planes and gliders and its usually a 1shot on planes

[Vintage]

Flak 88 rapes tanks, it doesnt need to be buffed.

Artillery is easy to counter, just recrew and repair inbetween the barrages.

lol did you even read the OP?

[Yob]

I want to see the Wehr defensive 88' turned into a proper AT gun version of the weapon. There was a AT only version of the 88' that was not used as an AA gun. Make the model use some bits from the brit emplacments for some decoration, maybe even treat it like a brit emplacment. This would also spearate it from the PE version, as having them the same is kinda lame.

I would also like it to not try to target aircraft, as most of the time it prioritses the aircraft over tanks, and spins around and elevates wildly trying to hit it. 1 scouting run can be the death of the 88' as it gets so distracted.

[Guardsman Yoshi]

Well, you also have to consider a Recon Run could have been used on purpose as apart of a grand strategy to take out the 88 emplacement. Most standard ground assaults can be easily fended off, support weapons usually won't work if there's an open field, and armor is of course, out of the question unless you have a significant number of tanks.

What else do you want from an 88 gun? It's good anti-tank, it's decent anti-infantry, and snipes support weapons. Only artillery or an overwhelming force can destroy it.

[sporty]

I advocate the contrary, take out AA capabilities. Ok, not entirely, as shooting down paratroopers and incoming gliders gives AA a modicum of usefulness.

The enemy gets his MUN back and cooldown reset if you actually manage to prevent an airborne attack that way, allowing him to call the next one instantly, so why bother? Off-map strikes are countered by moving out of the target area, and nothing else.
Making AA work would destroy this concept for a select few commander trees, and would give the ridiculously stupid arguement "SR deserves to kill everything because it can be countered by AA!" some validity. Thanks, but no thanks

[Latias418]

Flak 88 is dreadfully ineffective considering the amount of baby sitting it requires, and how much better the non-doctrine specific 17lber is, ill spend my resources elsewhere.

That's like saying Snipers are ineffective considering the amount of babysitting they require. And you can't get 17pndrs as wehrmacht, so that's kinda irrelevent...

[Flip_Lx]

you can steal them Latias418 but thats a different story. and if you dont want to baby sit your 88s recrew em with a vet3 knights cross squad.....