Allie Vetrancy / Moral

[sorearm08]

(1)In WWII it was true that the German Armour was more superior than the US/British designs....however the US weighed greater importance on manufacture hence could produce far more tanks than Germany and at a quicker rate. Why is it then Germans have same pop cap regards Armour and have an officer to produce the Armour more quickly?

is historically inaccurate and also makes the game unbalanced big time the amount off times iv been waiting on a Sherman then 2 panthers roll past IS UNREAL

(2)why can Germany camouflage AT guns and we cant? :S

(3)Allies should have a vet base like Germans to upgrade inf, or inf should not upgrade at all- Remember.ALLIES WON THE WAR

(4)I don't remember Germans running up a beach to almost certain death.........they only stayed cos they would get shot if they fled....hardly the same morale there really is it.

(5)Artillary is not as effective when Germany get Stukas.......Art is allies strength and should be used as such but is easily taken out since it appears when firing and stukas take it out easily.........Oh, and why the hell is the Panza's Hummel so accurate?

(6)The fact a sniper cant be seen right under ya nose in OPEN terrain is a joke btw

(7)German Tank buster/ Panzershrek fire at too fast a rate compared to allies bazooka

I REALLY LOVE THIS GAME one of the best out there please guys lets use some common SENSE

The biggest issues is with the veterancy please sort it out example either removing it or making it even so you dont have to fight with a allie unit for a hour before it even becomes effective

lets do a little homework guys the Americans popped out tanks like a 2 dollar wh^&^e compared to the Germans



lets keep the game fair thats all we ask kind regards CLAN -=SBR=-

[Sturmhaubitze]

Historical reality shouldn't be used as a basis for balance arguments, as something can be balanced without being accurate. Not to mention some of your historical arguments are flawed anyways.

Rather than address them all (As this thread will probably just get locked by a mod), I'll just answer #7. The Bazooka required a wire to be manually connected between the launcher and the rocket. The Panzerschreck only required that the rocket be inserted.

[La Head]

(3)Allies should have a vet base like Germans to upgrade inf, or inf should not upgrade at all- Remember.ALLIES WON THE WAR

does taht mean that the allies should automatically win then? what this threadstarter and this thread is saying is basically, the allies won the war, let's throw our current balance out the window and redo it so that it's based on the premise that the allies won the war. we can have some fun watching animations of germans shooting at us, but it's ok, the game will&must end in a win for the allied player cuz that's what happened 60 years ago.

if you want to see historic accuracy, please, go rent yourself some history channel vids or something, cuz that isn't going to be even remotely present in CoH. just because the game is ww2 themed, doesn't mean it has to portray the time period accurately.

not to mention, like the previous poster suggested, your arguments so extremely flawed.

(2)why can Germany camouflage AT guns and we cant? :S

right, so how about other abilities like fire-up? how come allies can run up to machine guns and germans can't? how come allied snipers can run in camo at vet and german's can't? and the list goes on...

this has got to be the stupidest thread ever made.n for the love of CoH, please lock it before this insanity creeps too far into other ppl's minds.

[Felipe_Panzer]

LOL, is this a joke post?

Man if the german is getting panthers faster as you get a sherman you are doing something wrong.
Allies arty comes faster and cheaper than german stukas, and they are very inacurate, if stukas are shreding your arty you have to spread out your guns.

A human is and human, just because they are americans they don´t have to run in every mg42 in a suicidal charge with no suppresion and rape german infantry just to be Americans, don´t underestimate german moral, they were heavily motived to defend their fatherland, they suicidal charged sometimes, but they pull back on time, call for armor suport and arty and then try again
The werh veterancy mode represents the way that more veteran infantry arrives to the battle, as allies you have to win the bettle before the german can attack with full forces.

[Tempe]

The answer to all of your quesitons is one simple thing which we like to call *Gameplay*

*locked* oh no... I'm not a mod..

[Panzer Jager]

Company of Heroes is not all about Realism.

Also if you're waiting on a Sherman when the enemy has 2 Panthers, chances are you've already lost the game.
Panthers have massive costs to both tech to and build compared to the Sherman, your enemy has to have alot of Fuel if he has 2 Panthers, and if you are still waiting on that Sherman you must have less fuel, and when you have significantly less resources than your opponent, you're simply losing the game.


Judging by all these comments, you simply need to play Axis a little more. See their perspective on things.
I'd ask something like 'Why doesn't the Pak38 German AT gun get Armour Piercing Rounds but the American one does?' to counter your question on the Pak38 camouflage.

Also, since you seem to be arguing alot about realism, you should know the German infantry anti-tank efforts like the Panzerschreck were HEAVILY feared by Allied tanks. The Panzerschreck was capable of destroying any Allied tank in 1 single hit; to simulate this in the game, the Panzerschreck is very powerful against Allied tanks. The Bazooka however is not, just to simulate the fact that the Panzerschreck was better than it; greater reliability, higher caliber, greater threat.

[Deionarra]

Please read this thread before posting in the Balance Playtest section:

http://forums.relicnews.com/showthread.php?t=194514

Realism doesn't have much to do with balance and the suggestions you are making lie far outside the scope of balance and into the realm of game design.

I also think you are trying to cover too many points at once in a single thread for this to really become a productive thread if it was moved to the CoH general discussion section.