Shiny v0.81a (NOT BROKEN NEED .NET FRAMEWORK!!!) HardPoint Editor Wth GUI!

[pipakin]

I just realized, I'm not sure if hardpoint name editing will work....d'oh....I can't check from here, as I'm not at home, but I'll get back to you guys about this tommorow.

FYI to edit vaiour values, just change the displayed number (as in, click on it and it will allow you to edit it.

-Philip "Pip" Kin

[Multiplicity]

-- instead of double clicking,, one must triple click (3 clicks in a row) so to allow editing the values.
-- only applies for NEW (added) entrys on hod files with lots of entrys like vgr_shipyard, so as to enabling the scrollbar: hardpoint name editing is nearly (IM)possible ONLY WHEN working on something like the vgr_shipyard. why? basically your unable to edit the name, because on the second click (3 clicks needed total) the entry expands, and the scrollbar appears (or is already there), once this happens your 3rd click will not of occured where it should've.

update7: I found that you can edit the names regardless of this, with proper quick mouse movement (on the 2nd click you have to move the cursor up so that it stays on the entry your attempting to edit so that your 3rd click will register. this is way too hard to be practical)
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update3: ok the interceptor doesn't crash when changing various values, (scale, byte, position, however, heh, when changing scale/byte [of course] some strange things happen, but it didn't crash for me)

update4: ok I changed a hardpoint position on the vgr_shipyard which I have been using for a turret (note that this is also a previously unmodified hod)

update6: adding a hardpoint to the interceptor using the GUI ver failed .
after saving, I checked to make sure everything saved correctly, starting another gui ver process, loading what I saved, I find that what I called HP_T1_Position became NewEntry 0, and NewEntry 0's children were NewEntry 1 and NewEntry 2. HOWEVER all of the other data I entered was still there.

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but none of you should fear.
the cmd line ver blows this away.

P.S. >> Yes, I am using the latest ver, at the time of this post.

[pipakin]

That's what I mewant by not allowing name editing. I forgot to save the name edit changes back to the internal data structure

I'm gonna fix this right now.

EDIT: As for having to triple-click, I'm going to set it up so you can hit a key to edit the value

-Philip "Pip" Kin

[pipakin]

Originally posted by Multiplicity
instead of double clicking,, one must triple click (3 clicks in a row) so to allow editing the values.
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(on the 2nd click you have to move the cursor up so that it stays on the entry your attempting to edit so that your 3rd click will register. this is way too hard to be practical)

Ok, just hit "e" now to edit (you can also triple click, although, as you said, this is a pain)

Originally posted by Multiplicity
update6: adding a hardpoint to the interceptor using the GUI ver failed .
after saving, I checked to make sure everything saved correctly, starting another gui ver process, loading what I saved, I find that what I called HP_T1_Position became NewEntry 0, and NewEntry 0's children were NewEntry 1 and NewEntry 2. HOWEVER all of the other data I entered was still there.

Names are saved correctly now

-Philip "Pip" Kin

P.S. Don't be too hard on the GUI editor. I wrote that version in 2 hrs

[Multiplicity]

"P.S. Don't be too hard on the GUI editor. I wrote that version in 2 hrs"

ha ha ha, *smiles* *nods*

[pipakin]

I'm currently working on a position locator dialog that will contain an outline of the ship (from the top and side), that will allow you to click on a position to set the hardpoint position there. Thanks to the wonderful format info Pesimontis gave me, I think I'll be able to get it workin' in a few hrs.

-Philip "Pip" Kin

[pipakin]

Originally posted by Multiplicity
"P.S. Don't be too hard on the GUI editor. I wrote that version in 2 hrs"

ha ha ha, *smiles* *nods*

Not only that, I had to go out of town afterwards

Didn't leave much time for debugging


-Philip "Pip" Kin

[Multiplicity]

using the latest version, the names are still not being saved for me, but everything else still is (or should be, I only tested the position values, changed them all by one, saved, re-loaded, they were saved)
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**edit**
np.
no rush.

(cmd line version is superior)

[pipakin]

grrr....ok, I'll take a look. You may have to wait an hr or two for me to post the updated ver though.

[Multiplicity]

"I'm currently working on a position locator dialog that will contain an outline of the ship (from the top and side), that will allow you to click on a position to set the hardpoint position there. Thanks to the wonderful format info Pesimontis gave me, I think I'll be able to get it workin' in a few hrs."

There would certainly be much more demand for that, than for a fixed GUI version, it seems(which is good), thus far, as I'm sure you know.

The majority need something like this, more then the GUI ver, right now, imo.

the console ver, is easy enough as it is.

[pipakin]

Well, that's part of the gui version.

-Philip "Pip" Kin

[pipakin]

and now here's the new version!!!! (0.7a)

Yippie!

-Philip "Pip" Kin

PS: *bump*

[Slamoid]

As one dear, dear favor...

.OBJ OBJECT IMPORTING!!

DEAR GOD PLEASE!!



Thank you.:hide:

[pipakin]

There are plans in the works...I only have so much time I'm planning on relesing my (slightly working) obj importer... but time is precious

Look for it in the next few days...

-Philip "Pip" Kin

[pipakin]

Ok, that's all the updates for today, now I have to go feed my complaining belly.

Happy modding!!

-Philip "Pip" Kin

[Slamoid]

Pip... I love you.

P.S. I just downloaded the new version.. For some reason I can't open an HOD in the newest version... but then again, this is the first time I d/l'd it.. so ya'know...:loco: But at any rate... If you release a program to import new models in-game, I will give you my credit card number.:call2:

[Multiplicity]

Ver 0.7a opened the hgn interceptor and vgr shipyard HOD files fine for me, but hardpoint names still aren't being saved. (I'm thinking you didn't have enough time to fix that, and mainly focused on the more needed HP position picker -- dont know for sure, you didn't mention anything about not fixing this besides "small bugfixes throughout")

the hardpoint position picker, seemed to work correctly, with both the interceptor and shipyard.

[Slamoid]

I have the latest .NET framework version, but it's still not working.... Can somone give me a link to the latest manual patch?


grrr......Why won't it work....:disagree:

[thesamonthemoon]

Sure, the .NET framework version 1.1 is here. I think there is a newer service pack out, but I don't think you need it.

If you want to look at the page the DL came from, it is here

[pipakin]

Ah, yes, I actually found a couple more bugs involving name saving...sigh....working on them right now

-Philip "Pip" Kin

P.S. Make sure the files are NOT read only, I had that problem a few times Trying to read HODs off a cd :juggle:

EDIT: Working on name-saving bugs now.

[pipakin]

Fixed *bump*

[Slamoid]

It STILL won't run on my machine......

Is there ANY way of patching it to not need the .net framework? For some reason I getting errors about it whenever I try to open an HOD... Help!:boohoo:

[pipakin]

What error do you get specifically?

No, It's written in VB.NET...needs the framework to run.

[pipakin]

BTW, you can now click the preview to ecdit points!!!!

Directions:

select a position node
hit "t"
click where you want it
hit ok

YAY!

-Philip "Pip" Kin

[pipakin]

Fixed small positioning bug.

[pipakin]

OK, that's all the updates for now. (gotta go eat)

Slamoid: Post the exact text of the error message and I'll get on your problem.

I should be back in a few hrs.

[Slamoid]

Here's the detail tab on the error the Framework gives me:

See the end of this message for details on invoking 
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.

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System.IO.EndOfStreamException: Unable to read beyond the end of the stream.
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************** JIT Debugging **************
To enable just in time (JIT) debugging, the config file for this
application or machine (machine.config) must have the
jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section.
The application must also be compiled with debugging
enabled.

For example:

<configuration>
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When JIT debugging is enabled, any unhandled exception
will be sent to the JIT debugger registered on the machine
rather than being handled by this dialog.

[pipakin]

Ok, now a few other questions:

Which .HOD file are you attempting to open?
Which .HOD extractor are you using?

-Philip "Pip" Kin

[Multiplicity]

Confirmed working.

I added a large (ion) turret on top of the interceptor (I used lightwave for the xyz, however), which shot missiles.

heheh, that was amusing... flying turrets..

[pipakin]

LOL

I love it

Did you add the turret model?

-Philip "Pip" Kin

[Multiplicity]

what do you mean,, did I add the turret model?

edit: I'll try positioning the turret on top of the interceptor using the position picker, in a min

[pipakin]

As in, the turret is a subsystem? or did you just add a hardpoint and see missiles comming from nowhere?

somebody was asking me the other day how to get visible turrets onto a ship (which I think is only possible with OBJ importation). I'm tired though, so I'm not making much sense

-Philip "Pip" Kin

[starfuryzeta]

Originally posted by pipakin
BTW, you can now click the preview to ecdit points!!!!

Directions:

select a position node
hit "t"
click where you want it
hit ok

YAY!

-Philip "Pip" Kin

Pip, You rock! Thank you for the point picker!

Might there be any way in the future to zoom in on the wireframes?

[Multiplicity]

ok I successfully .. placed .. the turret using your position picker, except, the interceptor ended up being inside the turret, although from the picture, where it showed the x, it seemed high enough above the interceptor, for the turret not to engulf it.

ok.. second try and the same thing, Y coordinate was far above the interceptor, that shouldn't of happened.
Using lightwave I was successful not having the turret engulf the interceptor.

as for the turrets being added as a subsystem: yes, they were, and they were 100% visible too. totally fine.
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edit: ok, n/m I got the turret to not engulf the interceptor using the position picker.
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[pipakin]

Cool, yeah, I never said the point-picker was all that acurate

BTW you should know that the front view is upside down. I.E. if you want the turret on top of the interceptor, it should be BELOW the wireframe in the image

Just a suggestion

-Philip "Pip" Kin

EDIT: Zooming isn'nt implemented yet, but I it will be possible later. I'm sort of half-a$$ed working on this now because I'm starting my attack on the BURN/GLOW/NAVL/COLD sections of the HOD for the command line tool.

:hide:

[pipakin]

Okie dokie, flipped 'em over, and adjusted the point vals to match. Should be a little more intuitive now.

[Multiplicity]

ha ha, yeah

[starfuryzeta]

Thanks again Pip. Here's a lil monster I made this afternoon.

http://home.comcast.net/~starfuryzet...d2/ss00023.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~starfuryzet...d2/ss00024.jpg

[pipakin]

WHOA...Heavy firepower

:wow:

Like it

-Philip "Pip" Kin

[BentusiTrader]

Please excuse my stupidity, but I've been trying to learn about .lua's, .HOD's (why is that always capitalized?), hardpoints, and all that junk just from the forum so if this question is moronic just ignore it:

So, since we don't yet have an object importer (which I assume is a plug-in for programs like Maya and Lightwave that allows you to import/export HOD's) the only way that we can add turrets or any other kind of thing to existing ship models is by adding hardpoints and then modifying their .HOD's (or is it .lua? Oh well...) to allow them to build a subsystem like an ion turret?

Thanks!

[Multiplicity]

take a look at this: http://forums.relicnews.com/showthre...threadid=20048

we're able to extract various data/info from the HOD files, but the main thing (I think) we (the general public majority) do not yet have the ability to get new models into the game, this looks to be no longer an .. 'issue' rather soon.

"So, since we don't yet have an object importer (which I assume is a plug-in for programs like Maya and Lightwave that allows you to import/export HOD's)"

All Maya version's (I think, excluding PLE) have the ability to import the OBJ(object) files that we are able to extract (from HOD files).
Lightwave is able to also, and so is 3D Studio Max.

HOD file contains the models, the models textures, and other data.

[BentusiTrader]

Thanks again! You guys have the patience of Job...

[starfuryzeta]

Right, that's what I did. I copied the code from the hgn_battlecruiser.hod for the Ion cannons, then put it into my test file, the transport. Then, I modified the .ship file to add a subsystem for the ion cannons, just like the hgn_battlecruiser.ship.

Took a bit to get the XYZ coordinates just right, but Pip's GUI editor's point facility made it all possible!

[fluffypuppy]

hi. i just posted in yout other hardpoint thread, but thought this thread might be better. here's what i posted...

Hi. i'm using your GUI hardpoint editor v.o.81a

firstly, thank you sooo much for making this! now, i'm a little in the dark and have some questions.

my immediate question is about scaling. seems like a no-brainer, but after i change the values and save them to the .hod file and load a game with that affected ship... i notice no change... or maybe there's some limit to the size? i tried a factor of 4,8,10,9, and 7. the model does not change.

i'm guessing that by chaning the scale at: root\data\scale i can change the scale of a ship. am i wrong? how do i change the scale of a ship?

i do not have maya or any 3D editing software, i do have the relic tools, (which is how i extracted the .hod files.

[IskatuMesk]

Erm. This looks like a good tool, but with no documentation or idea how to use it, I guess I'll have to wait until it's more complete and with a model viewer so you can select an area to place a gun I suck at math so gg.

Also, can this rescale ships? If so, how? How in the devil do I work this!?

[pipakin]

No dice on rescaling....ironically, I don't think the "scale" value does anything at all.

If you wanna pick a position, click on the "Position" Node and hit "t"

Sorry 'bout the lack of documentation, I'm incorporating all this functionality into HODEd, which should be ready in a week or so (with documentation)

-Philip "Pip" Kin

[Skeeter]

Just woundeing.

To get the stuff in the right position can u use hwse mex section and do a mex for it. Obviously u wont use it but the co'ordinates would be useful wouldnt they? or are the useless?

Like put a gun on in hwse and then write the co'ords down and then do what u do in this tool of pipikins and then should it work?

[Greggy]

well looks like I found a bug:
EngineNozzle harpoints in HardEd don't have children, but in Spooky's HW2 Hod viewer they have, e.g.:
EngineNozzle1
- EngineShape1
- EngineBurn1

can this be fixed, please ?

[pipakin]

Greggy, HOD viewer grabs those from other sections of the HOD file. Technically thos aren't hardpoints at all.

[Greggy]

uh, didn't know that....
but still, can editing of those be done in HardEd? If no, then probably adding engines to ships can be a pain in the arse....:bow: