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    Literature but the game me do it....

    Recently, i read an article on a Korean kid who shot and killed a taxi driver because he 'wanted to see if it was as easy as GTA 4'.................. since when is blaming a source of entertainment (not just video games, ANY entertainment) ok and logical?

    Recently, my parents attacked me for playing GTA4 because it was 'to violent'. At this, i grabbed a book i borrowed from the library titled 'Bad Company' by Jack Higgins. This book is about vietnam and goes into detail of torture tactics, including forcing bamboo splinters underneath a prisoners fingernails and then setting them on fire. Also, prisoner executions, including disembowling someone and then hanging them with their own intestines, or, removing a mans privates and forcing them into the back of his throat so he chokes to death. Now, when you read books, you picture the events in your head as you have no visual stimulate. Compared to the burning bodies on GTA4 (just on fire, no burns or chared skin) this book is more violent. I get more violence out of books i borrow from a library then i do in a game.

    When you look at it, violence in video games make up a small percentage of violence we are exposed to everyday. Just turn on the news and you get 'Store robbed by armed men, soldiers die in suicide bomb attack, 70 year old man beaten to death after withdrawing money from atm' and other stories. Open up a history book. I had one in year 10, showing pictures of people who had been hit by napalm and phospherus in wars. I was exposed to more violence in school then on games.

    Now im not saying that violent games DONT cause violent behaviour, in some cases it may (a bi-polar suffer plays a game in a manic condition, it can lead to them comiting violent acts in the real world) but saying that every violent thing that happens is because of games is flawed. And besides, little ten year old Timmy shouldnt be playing games like GTA4 and Condemed 2 in the first place.

    This may look like im blindly defending games, but im not. I just want people to stop turning to games as the cause of violence. Look at everything that kid or person is exposed to before placing blame. Let me put it to you this way, a kid plays GTA4 and shots someone. This kid though, is bullied at school, mistreated and abused by his parents and has no friends and is a de-social individual. The game might have done it, but more likely it was the other four issues that did it.

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    forgot the "made me do it"

    Anyways Im pretty sure this was deiscussed many times. I don't think a video game can make someone do anything. It's just an excuse because they can't find anything else to blame it on, Bad Parents, crappy childhood, Or maybe he was just crazy. No they have to blame it on something they don't quite understand.
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    You just made a thread on this which promptly got locked, not sure what your trying to achieve by starting another one on the same topic.

    I think a lot of people would agree with you Scarekrow but its been much discussed (to death) in the past. It sounds like your parents have issues with you playing violent games hence you came on here to vent your frustrations, which to be honest is a bit pointless.

    If GTA is rated 18 in Australia, and judging from your reaction I'm guessing your under that age, and your angry at your parents for not wanting you play it then quite frankly they (your parents) are right. The rating is there for a reason sunshine, despite whether you think your able to handle the consequences of viewing such material or not.

    Your venting your frustrations in the wrong place.

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    Maybe instead of ranting we can discuss how established ratings influence social behavior in minors? We can alse discuss how maturity of individual minors is reflected in establishing ratings in video/movie industry, or even better how should be able to asses if their offspring is old enough to be able to handle material which is intended to be used outside of their age group.
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    Meatkin, I don't think you quite understand Australia's rating system - or lack thereof as far as 18+ games are concerned. If it's over MA15+, it must either be edited or it doesn't get sold here.

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    What most people don't see is that games (in most cases) are not the cause, they are the trigger from which that person snaps, now it's not a good thing but it's not as worse as blaming the games for those things, also the games aren't neccesary the triggers, TV could be and probably is the main cause.
    As one reporter said, media and doctors claim that games make people asocial and shy, but also they make them aggressive, i mean it is kinda wierd and contradictory to claim that.
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    This simply is not true. Rap music makes people kill people.

    I remember when Stephen King was blamed for a Florida murder where the person spelled out Redrum in blood at the crime scene.

    I do believe what we absorb (watch, play, read, etc) has an effect on our society, but I'm not qualified to say how much.
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    I have a question:

    My brother is 13-years old and has high-functioning autism. My Mom lets him play GTA. This is something that concerns me. How should I talk to my mom about this and get her to see this is something that she should be concerned about? My brother is incredibly difficult to deal with, and I get the impression my mom is careful about picking and choosing her battles. Is this something worth fighting over and what's the best way to get my brother to stop?

    I feel partially responsible since I got him hooked on Video Games in the first place - we play Super Smash Brothers almost every time I come over.
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    I have a slight autism (or at least I've got some autistic atributes), and I've played violent videogames back when I was about 14.

    Haven't killed anyone, and the only two living things that I've shot were a squirrel with a 12 guage and a deer with a crossbow (don't ask).

    I've had a good childhood, loving parents, and even though I was a social outcast, it was because I made it occur (didn't know it at the time).

    Now, 20 years of age, I'm much better, and I don't have any murderous habits.

    Does videogames make people kill people? in my opinion, only as much as metal does, and I like to Rock ;P

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    I was reading up on it, and this excerpt from "Counseling People on the Autism Spectrum" concerns me. (Halfway down page 180 to the top of page 181)

    http://books.google.com/books?id=zcs...sult#PPA180,M1

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    aside from the 'attack the parent with a knife', that described my teenhood! Of course I had my younger brother Psyco, but still, mostly withdrawn and in one's own fantasy/ fictional world(s).

    now the thought of coming after my parents with a knife (or other weapon of serious harm) did come to mind on at least one occasion, but then the realization of what the reprocussions would be was more than enough to keep me at bay.

    That, and I loved them.

    I did hit Psyco on one occasion under impulse, but quickly realized my mistake and sent myself to my room.

    one key that's always a good thing to have with ANY child regardless of things like autism? disapline. With my Stepfather's Mighty Right Hand, they kept both of us boys in line and out of trouble.

    man that was a boring childhood =d

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    And besides, little ten year old Timmy shouldnt be playing games like GTA4 and Condemed 2 in the first place.
    And neither should 14 year old Scarekrow au, but hey, its your perogative. This whole thing reminds when I was walking home with a friend called Marco who did a hissy fit stating that he hated New Zealand, I asked him why, he didn't really respond well. SpartanVXL, another friend, asked him why. He then said he hated his damn piano teacher. Anywho, you can still get GTA IV by other means my friend.... Plus try to be stealthy, or do you have an Xbox 360? If so, dang...

    Also, guts to you Aussie who don't have R18 ratings, hehehe....

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    And neither should 14 year old Scarekrow au,
    Im eighteen

    You just made a thread on this which promptly got locked, not sure what your trying to achieve by starting another one on the same topic.
    My otherone was closed cause it was more of a rant than anything. This one i sat back and actually looked for sources of info.

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    If he was susceptible to make that descision because of a game something else would have ticked him at some point. And not nessecarily a video game.

    And while I believe you can jump down one rating most of the time (I.e. adult to mature, mature to teen, teen to... whatever that rating is.) Maybe GTA isn't the most kid-friendly game.

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    Look, howmany of us have played a Mature rated game before being mature? I bet a lot of us. (Hell, who hastn't played GTA 3 or GTA SA?) And, did you go out and killed people randomly? Did you attack your parents with a knife? did you beat up old ladies at the mall? I don't think so, simply cause you have had good examples to study from: Your parents. If children act violent and blame a video game, then I would probably blame the parent for letting the child think the way a psycho in the game thinks. IMO, if you go out and kill people cause you could in a video gae, then your parents probably failed somewhere in raising you.
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    If I belived everything I read on the internet and took it at face value, God help me. Just like the above I think this is one of those things you should just simply ignore.

    My personal stance on the "videogames cause harm" argument is this:
    I think that videogames are unhealthy, just like TV. There numerous other activities that kids could be doing these days that are healthier and better than getting absorbed in front of a screen sitted on a couch all day. Videogames also can cause mild aggresivity after long hours of play, I've noticed that when I play videogames for long periods of time I tend to be more irritable and irrational. They are also addictive.

    But it doesn't get any worse then that. Videogames won't make you kill anyone, on the contrary, watching violent war movies and playing violent games doesn't make me think that war is "fun" on real life, it makes me think war is bad and horrible in real life.

    If anti-videogame crusaders tried to tone down their argument's and bring them back to earth, they would have a lot more credibility, because they do have a point, kind of, but they end up destroying their own arguments by exaggerating the effects of videogames on kids to a ridiculous extreme.
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    It's not to do with what you watch and see, but the morals and ethics instilled in the child/ren by their parents. Certain cultural groups have this missing, and it is quite apparent by the lack of respect for elders and members of society.

    For instance, the way that I was brought up meant that I respected people older than me - both at school and out of school. Nowadays the kids have fearless zero respect for anyone including older people or even police officers.

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    Well what you watch and see as a kid does reinforce whatever bad morals/ethics you might have due to lack of good parenting. But it's certianly not the root of the problem, people want to blame TV and games for their parental failings when TV and games should only take a very small part of the blame.
    A good parent would just take away from their kid whatever game is causing trouble, when I was a really small kid my parents used gaming as a incentive to get me to do other very useful activities. In my household games ended up becoming something of great value/use, instead of vice versa.

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