Compulsory 1v1 stats before 2v2

[retroholyfire]

Who here has had a bad experience where in a ranked 2v2 game you are joined with someone with no game experience at all? Just a small thought I was thinking of: Maybe they should make it so you can only play 2v2 as a certain faction in ranked games AFTER you have passed a certain rank with that faction for 1v1. Eg you need level 3/4/5 as USA before you can play with them in 2v2. This is purely to avoid situations where 2v2 ranked becomes pointless due to the risk of having totally inexperienced partners. You shouldn't need to make a team 2v2 in order to make sure your partner at least knows the bare minimum. If this appears to be a rant, I assure you, I have not experienced this recently but I did experience it a few weeks ago and just thought of it again. Thoughts?

[Demonic Spoon]

No. Not everyone plays 1v1; I pretty much learned how to play COH in 2v2s. I just played the tutorial and learned wtf I was doing first.

[troglodytejb]

Also, don't forget that macrostrategies are COMPLETELY different in 2v2 compared to 1v1. Micro carries over, but you're building completely different units, getting more resources, and being hit in different ways. I really don't think that a minimum 1v1 rank is the best answer; I'd say that as a lvl 8 1v1 player, when I played my first 2v2 game, I wasn't much better than a rank amateur because I wasn't used to the playstyle.

[daroach1414]

Not to mention i would be pissed to have to do that. I hate 1v1. I much prefer working in a team.

[Cross]

I've asked relic to change the 2v2 pairing so you don't get noobs. Like have a level cap so you only get match with people +2 or -2 levels from you and after say 5 min then start broadening the scope. As it stands right now every 30 seconds it seem the range is extended and if there is a level 1 that has been waiting for like 3 or 4 minutes and say you just stared automatch and your level 13 you will get him just because your next on his list. I get match with level 1's and 2's all the time when im' like 12 and up its not right. Even when I get matched with mid level I just want to shoot myself cuz I know he will lose all his units in like the first 5 min yay.

[retroholyfire]

Ok if not a compulsory 1v1 rank (purely so you get someone who knows how to play, not someone good) then what about an option to decide what levels you want your partner to be in eg +/-2 will only mean you get paired up with someone in that level range and if there isn't anyone, you don't get paired up.

[ImperialPatriot]

#1
exactly what I wanted to propose 1 year ago...

A very good idea, but I would requier some skrimish matches (not vs AI). Its very frustrating to play with some1 who just bought the game. He wont learn anything from me bc i will drop...

[SydniasWolff]

Despite the massive difference in strategy between 1v1 and 2v2, as somebody mentioned, it is a good idea.

As it stands now, playing 2v2 for ranks involves 80% luck and only about 20% skill. First, there's the question of if you're going to get a clueless ally that builds two Weapon Support Centers and spams mortar teams. Then there's the question of if somebody is going to be retarded and drophack. Even if those two don't happen, there's the question of if the game is going to report at all! Which, it seems, 20~40% don't.

Having a compulsory requirement in 1v1 may not be a bad idea. But even making the completion of training a requirement to unlocking the armies would make things better, because as it stands now, 2v2 is too much gambling, too little game.

[Wargrim]

No, just no. I am in the top 100 in the 2on2 Wehrmacht ladder, but i have no rank whatsoever in 1on1s. Both are very different, i suck at 1on1s, and i have seen high ranking 1on1ers fail in 2on2. Making one into a precondition for the other does not make sense, and will not solve any problem. Instead of a level 1 noob, now you have level 5 noobs or whatever you use as the minimum rank, that still do not know the 2on2 maps and strategys.

This would only create an unneccessarry barrier, nothing else.

The main problem with getting good partners is that the number of high skill players online at any time is allways low, except at peak times, where relic online is laggy, so you can not automatch well either.

So while to be good in 1on1s, you need to learn to defeat your own shortcommings and the enemy, in 2on2s you also need to learn how to win despite having a weaker partner. It is impossible sometimes, but your enemys will face the same issue. So if you fare better on average, you will rise above the competition. The higher you get, the more important it is to win the real difficult fights, that is simply how it is.

If playing with noob partners is too much of a frustration for you ( and i know the feeling... ), in the end the only thing you can do is to get a permanent partner for 2on2 AT, or play 1on1s.

[ImperialPatriot]

The problem 2v2 is that it is impossible to fight against even 2 noobs which have some experience with ur allie which is new to the game

Look, if i am lvl 12, my allie lvl1 or 2 and my opponents both lvl 4, I will never win this match unless my allie is a smurf, and i will even loose my rank! bc its total lvl13 vs lvl8...

[daroach1414]

Im lvl 12 in 2v2 and i VERY rarely ever get someone that is a complete noob. Some might be low ranked, but not new to the game completely. O, and Shit happens man. You get a noob partner, but how many times has your enemy had noob partner that you played against and won. Id like to think it kinda evens itself out.

[retroholyfire]

I think some people may be missing the whole point of this. The 1v1 requirement would be low and is there simply so that players in 2v2 can play the game rather than being completely new. It wouldn't require them to be anything amazing in 1v1, just able to play with the basics and win with them. I'm aware 2v2 and 1v1 strats are very different but the fundamental basics are still the same. You don't OP strategic points for example and you don't make all these really silly errors. It is to stop pure-first timers who are pretty clueless with the game from stopping someone else winning (2v1 is practically impossible against anyone who knows how to play). 2v2 is a lottery and I accept that but it should be a lottery of how good they are, not if they can even play or not. In 1v1 at least it's only themselves who have their ranks affected if they mess up badly. In 2v2 their partner has to deal with it as well.

[CaptHurricane]

It's far harder get started in 1v1 than in 2v2 and up. I'd always assumed that was the point of random team games. To learn, meet people and have a bit of fun.

Wouldn't it be easier all round to simply accept losing with a bit of dignity on occasion. You might make a friend by helping someone out and, lets face it, they are probably not enjoying themselves much either.

[coreltyc]

Even Arranged Team Automatch, sometime me and my partner (both Lvl 12) will match with Newbie (Lvl 1-3). I dun think they will happy to see the match up. But we still play as normal and didn't make any sacarstic comment like u F**King NOOB, etc. or Toy around them. We just try to finish the game per normal.

In Random 2v2, really depends on luck. If you are partner with lower Lvl partner, just try to guide him. It is not always just you partner with newbie, sometime is your opponent. So, if you want to play with the level +2 or -2, custom game might be another choice? Sometime you can specific the level of player you wish them to join. Then is out to you to judge your partner before you start your game.... (ar... even can choose your favourite map... oh .. oh.. no schedlth please... :P)

[fallen soldier7]

How about just making a separate pool of players for automatch? For all of the automatches, there can be a level 1-7 division and a 8-20 division. This way, if you're level 12 you won't be paired with anyone lower than level 8, and if you're level 4 you won't be lucky enough to pair up with anyone who is higher than level 7. Also, you won't be playing against opponents with outrageously high levels. Of course, the highest ranked levels will be taken into account (out of all the profiles on the player's account).

I understand that the game does its best to match players with equal skill with each other, but as everyone probably knows that doesn't happen 100% of the time. Instead of having a low chance of the mismatch to happen, I'm just suggesting for it to be no chance of a mismatch happening.

[armen]

i hate 2v2s for this reason, newby players join up and expect to get carried to victory, well i aint havin none of that shit.

now i only play 1v1 ranked and 2v2n AT

[Supernaut]

The system is already in place to get people who are similarly levelled and as we are all aware rank =/= skill.

Who you get is random and based on population, if you get stuck with a noob well so what. It's just a friggin game, stats aren't gonna get you laid. Nor is sitting inside playing a game tbh. :P

[retroholyfire]

Once again, I have no problem with someone being POOR at the game. I DO have a problem with some who simply doesn't have any idea at all joining a 2v2 ranked game. If you need to practice, start outside ranked. I know this will happen to my opponent as well as me but it's still not nice because then it feels like a hollow victory.

[Texture]

First, there's the question of if you're going to get a clueless ally that builds two Weapon Support Centers and spams mortar teams.

Dude. I totally SAW that guy the other day.

I get where yer coming from retroholyfire, but just let it go. 2v2 Auto is a clusterfuck. Yes, I play it all the time. But it is a clusterfuck.

People with no experience online at all absolutely shouldn't be playing 2v2 Auto, but that's life. They gave us the solution a while ago: 2v2 Arranged Team. Either have to make use of that or deal with the bullshit.

[Charlie]

Well, i got my own solution for this prob. I dont touch my main account with all armies lvl. 10 anymore and opened up another acc. just to play ranked with it. And when is see noob mate in my team, so that i have no chance at all, i just quit when i see its totally senseless to fight coz i will loose definetely. With this acc. i take these games very easy... i just start a new game and thats all. No stress then... but what should i do, when this acc. is as good as my main acc. ?!? Its getting closer every week.

But i have to admit that i started playing with 2v2, too, when i start playing CoH online.
Just becoz of the fact that i wanted to know what to do ingame, and its better to do some games in 2v2 before u went to 1v1 to improve micro.

[Dymo]

Everyone should just come back when the available Player Pool levels drop off due to the New Players getting verbally abused by the "Higher levels" and then complain there is no one to play with.

Yup, that's it. Chase off the new talent, then bitch there is no one to play with. Worked for all the other Ladders over time. It is bound to work here as well.

It is absolutely brutal to watch the player base create it own demise because of some digital Stats. Totally brutal to watch.

Everyone was a Newb once FFS. Yes even the best....

[ManFlesh]

This is totally mis-guided.

If you want to be teamed with players of your choosing (i.e. who you deem to be of similar skill level) then play AT. Thats what its there for.

If noobs want to play 2 vs 2, good for them, everyone starts somewhere, and we all should be encouraging more people to play online and being welcoming to them, rather than this rubbish.

Relic Online already tries to match teams of similar skill, i presume this extends to teammates also. Now if you are unhappy with who you are being paired with, i would suggest you re-consider the importance of stats, and consider the value in helping teammates along a little.

Ive had a teammate (one currently in the axis top 10) quit within a minute because he 'doesnt see any point in playing with a noob'. This is not only dumb its also insulting.

'newby players join up and expect to get carried to a victory' what nonsense, no they dont.


If you get teamed up with a noob, which we all are sometimes, then i'd rather that than wait another 30mins for someone befiting my high rank.

Relax, its the same for everyone, you win some you loose some, lol sorry ive just read dymos post above, at least there is some sense in this thread.

I agree with DYMO

[retroholyfire]

Well the whole point seems to be flying clean over some people's heads. I'm not saying Noobs shouldn't play 2v2. I really don't know how often I've had to repeat this. I'm saying PURE FIRST TIMERS (notice the stress on that?) Shouldn't play 2v2 as thier FIRST games. I'll go blue in the face before some people here even begin to understand what I'm suggesting so i'm not going to bother any more after this post.

[ManFlesh]

Why shouldnt they play there first online game on 2 vs 2?

Have they not bought the game also? Why should they be forced to play some 1 vs 1 first, perhaps they prefer playing in teams? Why not encourage more people to play 2 vs 2 rather than puting hurdles in their way? Why should they be allowed to play 2 vs 2 after they have played one other online game, arent they still noobs even if they arent PURE FIRST TIMERS?

Oh sorry i have re-read your posts, you dont want to be matched with noobs, because they are not as good at the game as you. Well go play AT then.

[ImperialPatriot]

Well for PURE FIRST TIMERS teamplayers there is a basic 2v2 match called "N00bs only", so why cant they play those matches first..., as i did it 2 years ago

[Ballist1x]

maybe they should need x amount of trust points or something (which can only be gained by playing 1v1 or something)

i dont know what u guys think but getting a teammate that either, doesnt respond, doesnt build anything other than engineers and then spams sandbags in their own base:/ is a PITA and basically a complete waste of time for those involved.

[ManFlesh]

I understand that this can be a little annoying, but to get a teammate who is so new to the game is extremely rare, and is equally likely to happen to axis as it is allies. So things are even.

If this ever happens why not chat to the guy and suggest an alternative BO? That way the game wont have been a waste of time to this guy as he will have learnt something.

As dymo has pointed out above, the game will die a death if we start shunning noobs i know a guy who was abused in his first online game (1vs1 as it happened) and never tried online again. Thats a loss to the CoH community.

I say again, if you want some control over who your teammate is/are then go play AT, thats what its there for.