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Not impressed and most likely not gonna buy it.
Sounds like they're trying to squeeze juice out of dry orange and charge money for the few drops.
COH is an awesome game because it pretty much has it all. What is left is new units or factions and maybe a new engine to go with it, otherwise its just a dry orange.
#202
I'll most likely end up getting seeing as it does have some really interesting bits and well, More CoH is always goodOf course i do hope there is more to come after Tales of Valour ..
The weird part being that if it packages Company of Heroes, Opposing Fronts or Company of Heroes+Opposing Front with Tales of Valor, then it gives me a supreme "WTF!?!" moment as I already own CoH & OF (so its not like I need them, just want ToV).
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#204
Doubt it will package them, as far as i can see it's just what was meant to be DLC being packaged.
In which case people wonder how it is a stand-alone expansion, as by definition it is stand alone and should not require either CoH or OF (for at least Skirmish, and perhaps multiplayer). Otherwise its a bit weird having a stand alone expansion in which you can only play the campaigns people might say.
#206
OF was stand-alone.
I suspect Tales of Valour will not enable online multiplayer for ANY side, OR will enable Multiplayer Reward Units if you have CoH or OF OR will enable all 4 sides and be correspondingly more expensive.
If it enables multiplayer for all 4 sides, then this is a cheaper way to get people to play multiplayer and not have to purchase CoH and OF to be able to do that. It would then encourage players new to the series to purchase CoH and OF if they want the single player campaigns (as they are now far cheaper).
It's settled then from this quote... you play as the Tiger Ace "Michael Wittman"you play as an elite German tank crew in the battle of Villers-Bocage in Normandy
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#208
Well i think the latest previews made that rather obvious..
Except he has a different name [shown in the IGN article] and is probably not part of an SS division.
Managed to ascertain the Gamespot Preview, was being a deceptive critter on the Gamespot website and was not showing up for a while. Solved that problem though now, so just follow the link below for Gamespot's first impressions on what they saw during the press event.
Gamespot Preview
http://au.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/c...&mode=previews
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I'll get it even though it is clearly very low quality for money.
Simply so that they can use the money to fund an expansion for Russians, which are defently needed.
People keep hoping a new expansion will have new factions, but I remember when OF came out a developer interview described how they had to squeeze hard to get the engine to reasonably handle the extra content. OF is only a bit over a year old and I doubt typical consumer specs would have lept ahead so much that another two factions would go down well.
Single player bores me. I have played about 15min from one mission despite owning CoH and OF since day one. If I can't get a new faction then I want:
*new maps (just bundle the community ones, I'll pay, we just need new maps!!!)
*better balance
*more bug fixes
*new skins
Relic is sure doing a good job of wasting the potential of this stale franchise.
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Well unless one of the specific reasons behind the development of Essence V2 was to increase the capability of the engine to handle more then four races (considering the Dawn of War 2 series will need to have all the basic races at least {thats like at least 8 races}), then I call a suspicion of bluff.People keep hoping a new expansion will have new factions, but I remember when OF came out a developer interview described how they had to squeeze hard to get the engine to reasonably handle the extra content. OF is only a bit over a year old and I doubt typical consumer specs would have lept ahead so much that another two factions would go down well.
I cannot be arsed reading to see if someone already said it.. probably being overtly obvious... but TOV = tiger ace campaign.... so really its just a buyable CD version of what thought was just going to be direct to drive after the next patch?
Also thought point out (apologies if someone already had).... spotted the humber british armoured car in there... more than 1 tiger on the feild. Hopefully there going to let me mass a tiger army
Then anyone get a close look at the troops? Have they just been re-skinned? or was it new troops?
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I'm not saying the engine can't handle it, with the right hardware running the engine. But they have to consider the typical pcs of the user base. CoHV was pushing the envelope, and OF did the same again.Well unless one of the specific reasons behind the development of Essence V2 was to increase the capability of the engine to handle more then four races (considering the Dawn of War 2 series will need to have all the basic races at least {thats like at least 8 races}), then I call a suspicion of bluff.
I suspect DoW2 factions are less resource hungry then for CoH, or possibly it's the maps, or the differences in how the two games engage the engine. Bottom line, I don't know specifically, and I doubt anyone could give you an informed answer on that outside the programming team, but it's safe to say that 6 factions running on CoH in one game is gonna send a lot of people to min spec world, or beyond...
Of coarse you weren't, but is it not at least a slight contradiction on the developer interview if they can add new units. Even though they are very much likely replacement units (unless something changes during development) everyone will actually will have them for multiplayer compatibility reasons, which would assume would means they possibly had to squeeze unbearable hard just to get replacement units into Tales of Valor.
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#217
Engine can handle more races fine but the minimum requirements printed on the game boxes cant.
SAY WHAT?!!?! Gamespot have now totally confused me... Been mulling over this sentence for a while with others on Steam and we are all still confused as to its true meaning. No one said anything about any of the new multiplayer vehicles being drivable (in that they sound like they could be used with Direct Fire or something), and if they are referring to the new units we already know about then why call them "new drivable multiplayer units"Now, the game is set to return in a new add-on, Tales of Valor, which will offer three new single-player campaigns, along with new drivable multiplayer vehicles.. I hardly see why Gamespot went to such lengths of the English language if they are describing the new units we already know about.
Unless.....
ya know thunder may have said no new MP factions, but *Relic hasn't said any thing about MP yet* officially.
I bet those "new driveable units" are just the new models like the staghound and stuff...
There are other things that are just wrong in this preview like "the tiger ace campaing where you will command a king tiger" ...yeah right^^
#221
It's gamespot :P They couldn't write a decent article even if they copied one off.
So don't worry about some of those oddities, as they don't make much sense.
I've always thought Gamespot are pretty weird when it comes to some of their choices of language and all, eg: the King Tiger incident
#223
Weird would be being nice to them, my opinion of them is basically this:
Gamespot =
I imagine it would be better to wait until we get some more solid info than listening to gamespot.
Well based on the box art there is no sight of another faction. So hopefuly the "New Units" will convince me to get it
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Well, I dunno for the new units.
If the new multiplayer modeS part is done well, though, THAT could interest me.
I'll try to see the completed thing's review first, though. I mean, rather than be a big expansion pack, as been said, it looks like a content pack albeit one priced at full expansion value...
... and Stardock`s Entrenchment`s pack might be a miniexpansion, but it's only 10 dollarswhen compared to that.
At least...
... Tales of Valor certainly will offer more than a Spore: Cute and Creepy parts packs.
I mean, compared to Spore`s pack, at least will Tales of Valor and Entrenchment bring new /gameplay/ elements to the table(unless I missed some from Spore`s, but judging by how the parts packs sounds like Sims 2 Stuff packs, I doubt so).
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as if i would buy a game that has been abondened in tearms of service and ends with dropphack in 1/3 of the games
MANY people will love this game, no matter what people on GR and RN say.
Ripped off. Completely.
This expansion looks like garbage.
It adds nothing to what has become the best RTS around.
Where is the Eastern Front? Where are the Russians?
Bah. Relic's made a very bad call. The trailer looks boring.
Multiplayer is the lifeblood of this game, and with no new additions - Relic will lose people. We've waited ages for an expansion annoucement... and they give us this?!
The content in this pack should be a free download - to slap it together and call it a fully fledged expansion pack is a joke.
Not happy.
Maby they don't want to get even more people annoyed by implementing another faction and throwing the balance out of whack.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
New faction... no no no. PE and brits broke the game bad enough- Post OF is NOTHING like vCoH used to be- and while they've mostly fixed PE and balanced the brits, I think its impossible to make it as fun as it used to be.
More faction could potentially ruin the entire competitive multiplayer scene, more then it already is.
Granted that's not everything, that's not the whole community, but there's plenty of other things you can do to make the singleplayers happy: namely, campaigns, and Vire matches. That's exactly what they've announced so far- more campaigns and super buffed-up Vire matches.
That there's no new multiplayer content is one thing... but that there's no new factions, this, I am happy for. I can wait for CoH2. For now, I think, we should stay within the realm of, at most, new doctrines/companies.
"Ripped off. Completely."
How can you be ripped off when you havent bought the game?
"Ripped off. Completely."
How can you be ripped off when you havent bought the game?
I'm not speaking in literal terms - I'm talking in terms of the potential that Relic had to put out something amazing that added to an already stellar gaming experience.
I'm saying the fanbase has been ripped off by a decision to put out a 99% fat free exp than is light on content, substance, and style.
I hope I'm wrong: but from the trailer and information currently out there from various gaming sites... its not looking good.
#233
Rather heavy assumptions you make based on a single small trailer that doesn't show much in terms of gameplay, plus some early hands on, which primarily deals with one of three campaigns.
And while this probably won't be an OF level expansion in terms of content, it doesn't mean it will be bad, and considering that this is apparently just DLC that has been kicked up to the next level with a few additional addons, it wouldn't be impossible to imagine another expansion being on the way, one with more.. substance. This one is probably to keep us occupied and to draw in some fresh blood so as to have more prospective buyers for their next expansion.
#234
If a new faction was brought in, it would imo, ruin the game. Rather, I like their focus on the 4 armies they already have. Also, whereas the eastern front exclusively had German and Russian, the Western had a mixture-so again imo, instead of making it dull, they carried on with the four armies in the West.
ALTHOUGH, I would like to have a Kursk-type battle. That would be epic.
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Just as long as this expantion is cheap, it looks VERY poor quality, no way is this worth the price of an expansion = /And while this probably won't be an OF level expansion in terms of content, it doesn't mean it will be bad, and considering that this is apparently just DLC that has been kicked up to the next level with a few additional addons, it wouldn't be impossible to imagine another expansion being on the way, one with more.. substance. This one is probably to keep us occupied and to draw in some fresh blood so as to have more prospective buyers for their next expansion.
Course, thats to be expected from a half-rate game studio.
people stop saying theirs no new MP content @_@ because your wrong! its been stated their will be.
#237
@Bowkers: Actually they could add an italian faction, as apparently italians were fighting on the eastern front as well, so there could be some opportunity..
Besides, i'd like to see more factions, i mean the game is begging for them
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.. now that the outrage is done for.. What do you mean poor quality ? Amount of content and quality aren't really related, so what do you mean ? Do the new units look awful ? what ? Did the trailer look raw ? Give an example.
Plus we still have no clue as to the actual amount of content, i mean we get three, smallish campaigns, that we know, and an invasion mode plus some units, but what else ? We don't know, but we know more is to come.
You call an simple Defend-the Vilage-compstomp-mod MP-content?? I bet it would fit in a 15 MB-sized patch.
Yes, we don't have much to talk about yet, but from what is known and what is to be expected it looks like entire bullcrap.
And just for that lack of information I'm allready pretty unhappy with relic. If the expansion is as crappy as it looks now, I'l gett really pissed. Won't buy CoH 2 until its down to 10 $, no matter the time.
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3 Mini-campains + a couple of skins/replacement units + couple of modes does not equal a quality addition... now that the outrage is done for.. What do you mean poor quality ? Amount of content and quality aren't really related, so what do you mean ? Do the new units look awful ? what ? Did the trailer look raw ? Give an example.
It just dosent look very good. The campains don't look and sound like the original campains. Wehr gets a crappy campain, nothing like the originals.
The trailer looked utterly terrible unfortuneatly. It just seems a moneygrab to be used perhaps for an real expansion, something that relic would be better doing.
I call that what I know a /lot/ of people I know have asked for from games.ou call an simple Defend-the Vilage-compstomp-mod MP-content?? I bet it would fit in a 15 MB-sized patch.
That is, the ability to plays games akin to some of the more uniques single player campaigns missions they got to play and enjoye the mostd(everybody I know who liked CoH loved those defend the area missions the most) and constantly sometimes mused about how they'd love a multiplayer mode capable of mimicking this in MP.
As opposed to, say, your generic "arena-ish" multiplayer match.
Heck, Relic themselves said that the direction they're taking with Dawn of War 2(that is, single player campaign with persistent units, no bases and a co-op mode) was based on how a majority of Company of Heroes players liked those campaigns missions where you didn`'t had any base at all or were stuck having to hold out in a defense of an area against many waves of enemies, and also preffered "mere" co-op compstomp over your regular MP match.
So they're going where most of the money might be, and offering those people just that in the form of giving the players a way to recreate that in multiplayer.
And recall the previews. The previews didn't say they were adding three campaigns and a single "defend the village" multiplayer mode thrown it.
They said they'd had three campaigns and new multiplayer modeS including a "defend the village" mode.
So much like they talk about not selling the bear's pelt before it's dead, so people shouldn't judge ToV before it's out.
And let be clear. With all the speculations /I/ personally did about a potential "suprise announcement" new faction, I /am/ disapointed that ToV won't include the eastern front or such.
But I won't judge the game until its out and say it's "the worst idea in gaming ever" when I haven't been able to personally look at it myself.
#241
How many missions are in these mini-campaigns? How long will the missions be? How replayable will they be?3 Mini-campains + a couple of skins/replacement units + couple of modes does not equal a quality addition.
For that matter, how many new units will there be? What kind of new skins? What do Relic even mean by 'new units/skins'? Have they clarified anything?
What kind of new modes are we talking about? Will there be lots? How different to the current modes will they be? How much fun will they be?
What? You don't know the answer to any of these questions? And you're judging the quality based on... I dunno, what are you basing the quality on?
"I'm sorry Mr.Chef. I don't like this steak."
"But you haven't eaten it yet. In fact, I haven't even removed it from the griddle yet. At best, you can merely smell it from the kitchen, but it's quite far away so even the smell won't be accurate. And you haven't seen the side-dishes I'm bringing along with it."
"But still, I don't like it. It's not the same quality as that microwaved beefburger I had for lunch. I can just sense it."
"..."
None of you have any idea what this addon contains at the minute. You have vague notions and hints, along with a few smidgeons of information, but you have absolutely nothing with which to make an informed decision on. While this obviously doesn't (and shouldn't) prevent you voicing your opinions on how you think it's shaping up, the simple fact of the matter is that some of you are completely failing to grasp the reality that all the information isn't out there yet. The questions I listed above are very important questions, and as far as I'm aware, very few of them have been answered yet, if any. Basing assumptions on what, for all intents and purposes presently, could be considered a fleshed out rumour, is completely idiotic.
It's not been released yet. There's bugger all information. That means you don't get to say 'it is' anything, because if you do, you're wrong, because you have no idea what it is.
I've went by what information we have so far and the trailer.What? You don't know the answer to any of these questions? And you're judging the quality based on... I dunno, what are you basing the quality on?
I will change my view only in light of new information from relic, but from now my point seems valid.
I just question if they are going to price it the same as a real expansion. If they price it less I'm fine.
Personally I'd prefer it if Tales of Valor seemed underwhelming and then got the jump on us and was really in truth totally awesome. I remember the fiasco that was Opposing Fronts, even was reved up about getting two new factions, two new campaigns and such, then once released we had a massive whine fest really about everything from blobs through to how IMBA the British and PE were (so really it seemed Awesome but could be said to have been underwhelming in areas).
Hey Ap0k do you have found memories about the forums when Opposing Fronts came out?
#244
Without knowing the content, the price really has no meaning. If (hypothetically) there was 3 times as much content in the expansion as there was in the original game, you probably wouldn't complain about paying normal expansion prices.
On the other hand, there could be little content, but it could be fucking awesome, in which case you might not mind paying a bit extra for less content but a crapton of fun for that money.
You can only determine if a product is worth the price once you know what exactly the product is and/or includes. We don't know what Tales of Valour includes yet, so the price is completely moot. It should be a complete non-issue.
IH: I have fond memories of the OF release in the same way that an claustrophobic has fond memories of that time he got trapped in the busy superstore elevator for 6 hours at christmas.
Thats what the debate is about. We have had no information on any major suprises nor anything major at all, so pricing does seem a bit worrying.On the other hand, there could be little content, but it could be fucking awesome, in which case you might not mind paying a bit extra for less content but a crapton of fun for that money.
I don't mind paying extra if its great, of course I would, I just don't see anything great or interesting thats introduced so far. (can't find any more info on the game)
I agree. This addition wouldn't be good for a new faction. That needs a full expansion on itself.Personally I'd prefer it if Tales of Valor seemed underwhelming and then got the jump on us and was really in truth totally awesome. I remember the fiasco that was Opposing Fronts, even was reved up about getting two new factions, two new campaigns and such, then once released we had a massive whine fest really about everything from blobs through to how IMBA the British and PE were (so really it seemed Awesome but could be said to have been underwhelming in areas).
I reckon ToV will get better as more information is released (or at least I'm really hoping).
to Imperial Honour
the Opposing Fronts isn't fiasco. I like this addon more than vCoH.
The God of War is soviet artillery.
So do I, but at the beginning there was a large uproar about the new anti-piracy system, how the balance was so screwed up, so on and so forth. So I'd say that we had a faisco at the start (that or my understanding of the word is just messed up and I'm searching for a different one).
#248
@Kosake: Wait what ? So just from this tiny piece you are able to judge the whole thing ? Then why are you even here may i ask if you have already judged it to be pointless ?
@Tseng_fox: Again, you are just basing it on a few previews going over the same things plus a trailer dealing with the first campaign, besids it has been said several times that there is a lot more to see.
Right now i am more interested in hearing about the other campaigns and getting some solid information on the new units, what games can they be used in ? Can they be used in the campaigns ? Ranked matches ? And so on.
I reckon they'll be useable online. But I don't think they'll have any effect really, if I remember right they are just replacement units.Right now i am more interested in hearing about the other campaigns and getting some solid information on the new units, what games can they be used in ? Can they be used in the campaigns ? Ranked matches ? And so on
did anyne notice the, what appears to be, movable 17pdr in the video at 36seconds?
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