Make Raptor Flamer Affected by Heavy Weapon Upgrade

[Inst]

Raptor use past tier 1 is limited because their melee slot is nicely filled out by Khorne Berserkers. Their ranged function is outmatched by cloaked CSM. Their only role past tier 1 is to raid enemy LPs, but their damage is low and their unit structure favors creating Raptor raiders for the pure purpose of delivering Raptor Aspiring champions to deal the damage via their power fists.

To enable Chaos flexibility, it might be advised to allow Raptor Flamers to take the same damage upgrade CSM heavy bolters enjoy once the heavy weapons upgrade has kicked in.

[Akagi_Ryu]

I have no idea how buffing the ranged damage of a purely melee squad would make them more viable in later tiers, especially by the time when many morale immune units start popping up.

No matter how you look at it, they will still be outshot by just about anything and they will still be outmeleed by 'zerkers.

So... no... buffing their flamer damage won't solve the problem.

[Inst]

See the SM flamers thread down in the strategy section for flamer's general efficiency. Also, consider that Raptors jump, and have high speed, and hell, further heavy weapons upgrades might make raptors overpowered.

[steel_tomatoes]

Well buff to flamers would make them better for chasing ranged units around, such as reapers etc. Whether to give them the buff? Hmmm maybe, I mean honestly I never get raptor flamers because I don't find them worth the cost (or rather, I don't find raptors worth investing in come late t1 onwards). I don't see anyone else getting them either. You could buff it in the interest of encouraging army diversity.

[ImmortalChaos]

Well, the HW upgrade outright doubles the CSM HB damage; doing the same for the flamer could indeed make them very potent.

[mlai]

Not that Chaos needs it, but the HW upgrade can give plasma back to Raptors.

Needs a corresponding nerf elsewhere, though.

[Old Painless]

Raptors are a highly effective jump capable melee specialist, they dont need to be any better at anything else, they are already quite superb at what they do.

Please for gods sake can we make chaos HARDER to use instead of easier. They require such a low amount of effort to win with its stupid.

There heavy bolters are completely FUBAR and they dont need Uber flamers as well as grenade launchers. Not for me thankyou very much.

Every single goddam match i see pimped out T1.5 CSM squads kicking the snot out of everything they get near. Its so bad its just boring. Same thing every sodding time.

I must be one of only 6 CSM players in the world to use raptors in nearly every match as Chaos. I never, ever, ever see them and there is absolutely nothing wrong with them at all, there excellent.

[mlai]

To make something harder to use instead of easier, you have to take an army with only a few powerful options, and tweak into an army with more options with less power. That way, the army relies on strategy rather than bulldozing in order to win.

[Makenshi]

I've always said that zerkers should have that mark of khorne thing by default and be hardcapped at two, in order to give chaos players one more reason to build raptors. One more reason because they are great, that is.

But no, let's not hear Makenshi, he's chaos hater...

Also, raptor flamer could be cheaper; that's something even Jaimas asked for - where the frak is he, btw?


@mlai: your comment is made of win, beer for you

[KotCR]

Unfortunetly Chaos has been a bulldozer faction since Relic came up with the ingerious idea of giving them a powerful no-brainer attack-move T2 melee unit, with no restrictions, in WA. After that, it wasn't long before the rest of the Chaos army became exactly like them. It's unlikely that's going to change suite now.

Jaimas asked for - where the frak is he, btw?

DoWSanctuary I believe, but I don't browse the forums often enough there to see if he still is. Mostly just use it for replays...

[Old Painless]

Mlai thats far too sensible, if you carry on like that your at risk of being a senior member. Stop immediately!