So this Army Painter Business...

[Khyron]

I am still awaiting patiently (or impatiently) to be able to play the game as I am in Europe. In the mean while I am soaking up all the info I can lay my eyes on.

I just wanted to confirm the following...

So it sounds like you cannot create custom Chapters with the Army Painter. Literally just change the colors of the exisiting built in armies? Is that correct?

Are there more SM chapters in the retail version as opposed to what was available in the Beta?

I am hoping for the Soul Drinkers and Raptors to be included, since I cannot make them myself.

Thanks,
G

P.S Also, Can you use differnt Wargear in Skirmish against AI like you get in the campaign with it changing the visuals of the hero units?

[Alegis]

Wargear in multiplayer may change the look of the commander. Witch spear (or something) for the Farseer makes her spear glow red.

The items you get in single-player campaign are not related to those of multiplayer (regardless if you battle AI or human players).

You can save new color themes under a custom name.

[Khyron]

OK, thanks. but you cannot change banners and badges correct?

[EPIK WIN]

You can change colors and also color schemes (on space marines at least) meaning what parts of the armor is colored what.

However, you CANNOT change badges.

So your Soul Drinkers have to run around with Imperial Fist emblem

[LoRd KoRn]

Having the choice between colors but not beeing able to import custom badges (with a simple way) is counterproductive. What is the point in making your own scheme if you have to use a badge from another chapter/craftworld etc.? And blank isn't really that fancy. But screw it with the camera like this stuff like badges doesn't matter anyway.

[KotCR]

Well, in some Space Marine chapters, like the Ultramarines, different companies have different coloured armbands...so I guess that's one legit and fluffy use for the army painter even if you have no new badges .

[Levandor]

i think no custom badges is a partial good thing, on one hand it sucks, for those who like to remake not included chapters, on the other hand i keeps people from including banners and badges with innapropiate content, so i would guess, thanks to all those morrons who werent able to use the system instead of abusing it :P

[Khyron]

aye.... that is a pity

[Rhedd]

i think no custom badges is a partial good thing, on one hand it sucks, for those who like to remake not included chapters, on the other hand i keeps people from including banners and badges with innapropiate content, so i would guess, thanks to all those morrons who werent able to use the system instead of abusing it :P

Wonderful attitude.

Punish the innocent for fear of the wicked.

No matter what the subject, that attitude is disgusting. Don't take that personally, though. You seem to be in good company, since the fine folks over at GFWL totally agree with you.

As for me, I'm an adult with healthy sensibilities playing an "M" rated game, so I'd rather have the painter functionality that we had in DoW1, instead of suffering for someone else's perverted sense of morality.

Funny story: I was really looking forward to the new army painter so I could finally make proper, quartered red-and-yellow Howling Griffon Marines (an official chapter, to those who don't know). I already knew the chapter insignia was going to be impossible, because of the craptacular GFWL rule, but to add insult to injury, the first thing I did was input the chapter name, and got as far as "Howling Griffon..." Couldn't add the "s", because of a name length limit!

Makes me feel sorry for the "Angels of Absolution" and the "Heralds of Ultramar". They're doomed! :P

[Lionel-Richie]

Wonderful attitude.

Punish the innocent for fear of the wicked.

This is how things work, nowadays.

[Fearpoint]

If anyone bothered to actually look at the badge selection screen you'll notice there is a lot of room to add more badges and scroll buttons....

I bet more badges are released later so don't get all bent out of shape.

How awesome would it be if Relic held a community badge contest allowing fans to submit badges then vote on which ones will be included in future updates...

[Levandor]

He Rhedd, i never mentioned that this Solution is the best thing ever, did i?
All i did was mentioning, that it has its up and downsides, and thats just a fact, as long
as people dont grow up :P

but anyway, the whole GFWL thing sucks anyway (having private pictures and not beeing able to choose a picture? WTF?)

oh and Btw. Naming lenght restriction? WOW That sucks... so no Bright side of the Moon and Dark side of the Sun for me and my brother anymore

[Ifitmovesnukeit]

Funny story: I was really looking forward to the new army painter so I could finally make proper, quartered red-and-yellow Howling Griffon Marines (an official chapter, to those who don't know). I already knew the chapter insignia was going to be impossible, because of the craptacular GFWL rule, but to add insult to injury, the first thing I did was input the chapter name, and got as far as "Howling Griffon..." Couldn't add the "s", because of a name length limit!

Makes me feel sorry for the "Angels of Absolution" and the "Heralds of Ultramar". They're doomed! :P

Lol, I guess that means my "Nightshade Scorpions" chapter as seen in my avatar is screwed.

I don't think I'm ever going to be able to understand why it was thought that cutting previously available features was a sensible thing to do. Three steps forward and five back.

[EPIK WIN]

My 2cents:

I think this is a money making scheme.

Think about the whole preorder business. The big draw are these special chapters that only certain outlets have. Consider what you could do if you had the ability to add custom colors (thats right - no color spectrum only predefined colors) and add badges... thats right MAKE YOUR OWN Angels Sanguine, Marauders, Sternguard, etc.

I'm thinking they plan on offering all those preorder chapters in a DLC... thats right folks, microtransactions coming to a DoW2 near you...

That no "Penis Marines" thing is bullshit - never stopped a dev before... thats why "experience may change due to online play" is on the box... Plus, why no color spectrum? Its completely possible as seen in original DoW

The groundwork has been laid: No custom colors, no custom badges, and GFWL implemented.

Be prepared for DLC of "horse armor" proportions...

Relic/THQ/whoever feel free to prove me wrong...

[KotCR]

Agh, there is a tight limit on the length of scheme names?
Well that means my custom chapter is most certainly doomed!

[Saunders]

No matter what the subject, that attitude is disgusting. Don't take that personally, though. You seem to be in good company, since the fine folks over at GFWL totally agree with you.

Wow, way to jump down someone's throat for mentioning the pros and cons of policy. I can see why Relic/THQ decided to take the safe route.

[Chris]

I'm thinking they plan on offering all those preorder chapters in a DLC... thats right folks, microtransactions coming to a DoW2 near you...

That no "Penis Marines" thing is bullshit - never stopped a dev before... thats why "experience may change due to online play" is on the box... Plus, why no color spectrum? Its completely possible as seen in original DoW

This.

They don't want you making your own banners because they want to charge you money for them. You can be sure that almost all official badges and banners will eventually be available... if you're willing to pay that is. People who want to use custom badges for their own personal chapters etc. are just shit out of luck.

[Latias418]

it's a joke how the prequel that came out something like 4 years ago has 5x better army painter than the one now

not a very funny one, either

[DrChristmas3K1]

I haven't gotten the game yet. What exactly is different on how custom badges work? Is it that you can't have a chapter with the new name, just an old chapter with new colors? Are you all saying something to the effect that you can't have a chapter called Ultramarines with a Space Wolf badge and banner?
I remember that in DoW, you could have any badge, but the game only came with badges for a few Chapters/Craftworlds/Legions. You could add a .png file with the right size to the right folder to get new badges, but you had to experiment or look online on fan sites like this to find this out.

On a related note, I heard there are achievements related to EVERYTHING, even the army painter! There's one called "Red wunz go fasta!" or something like that for creating a red custom army.

[EPIK WIN]

Army painter summary:

- Must create new army (like in the first DoW)
- limited set of Predefined Colors (unlike first DoW)
- Space Marines have 4 different armor color schemes (new to DoW2)
- limited number of badges (consisting of everything in the beta) + whatever preorder bonus
- inability to import own badges - probably around this with a dedicated modder, but I don't think the ability to show off your badges in multiplayer is possible (unless they are modded too)
-Names apparently have a pretty short character limit

So to answer your question DrChristmas: You can't use custom badges, at least not officially.

[Lionel-Richie]

This.

They don't want you making your own banners because they want to charge you money for them. You can be sure that almost all official badges and banners will eventually be available... if you're willing to pay that is. People who want to use custom badges for their own personal chapters etc. are just shit out of luck.

Hopefully this will backfire. People will want to make their own banners rather than paying $1-3 for "Retro Ultramarines 87'" edition banners, etc etc.

[Zwebbie]

I'm thinking they plan on offering all those preorder chapters in a DLC... thats right folks, microtransactions coming to a DoW2 near you...

That no "Penis Marines" thing is bullshit - never stopped a dev before... thats why "experience may change due to online play" is on the box... Plus, why no color spectrum? Its completely possible as seen in original DoW

They're going to charge you money for downloading their Penis Marines badges! It's obvious!

It wouldn't be the first time we've been lied to with DoWII, but it has repeatedly been stated that that kind of stuff would be free DLC. Since we've yet to experience their scheme, let's give 'm the benefit of the doubt.

Oh, and the colour spectrum? A colour isn't one colour anymore, it's three; a diffuse, specular and gloss value. It's what makes the gold shiny. It would still have been possible to make a spectrum army painter, but it'd be confusing as heck for people without experience with that kind of stuff.

[Mokino]

There's 50 or so badges in the painter apparently. Not all belong to recognisable groups. There's also a no badge option.

The colour palette seems pretty decent as well.

[Brenil]

- Must create new army (like in the first DoW)

Actually in the first game you could change whatever army you like. I know I refined all the default colors from the original game to be more authentic. In Dawn of War II you cannot do this, you must create a new scheme, which means it must be Ultramarines Second Company or some mess (if that even fits), but you cannot change Relic's scheme, which is kind of dumb.

Also, you cannot use cross-race badges like you could in the original, you only have access to the badges of that race. So no Eldar badges for Space Marines, or Orks for Eldar, ect. Not a bad thing from a fluff perspective, but still less options than what existed before.

I like the new colors and if more are added for free, I have no problem with this. But the idea of paying money to complete a rather... skimpy army painter, definately gets my hackles up.

Let us hope that isn't the case.

[EPIK WIN]

oh yeah your right Brenil, my mistake... forgot you could do that in DOW

[Warp Holder]

What I'd kill for is more metallic colors. I love how units with shiny metals look, but silver and gold get boring after a while.
Yes, I know, preorder bonus and all that. But it wouldn't harm anyway.

[Sebi]

Oh, and the colour spectrum? A colour isn't one colour anymore, it's three; a diffuse, specular and gloss value. It's what makes the gold shiny. It would still have been possible to make a spectrum army painter, but it'd be confusing as heck for people without experience with that kind of stuff.

It is actually a very simple concept to grasp on

- Diffuse represents the RGB- value(s)
- Specularity defines the amount of shinyness
- Gloss defines the size of the shiny area

So perhaps when choosing a single color for one slot, there would be like, 2 sliders defining spec & gloss.

[Brisco]

It is actually a very simple concept to grasp on

- Diffuse represents the RGB- value(s)
- Specularity defines the amount of shinyness
- Gloss defines the size of the shiny area

So perhaps when choosing a single color for one slot, there would be like, 2 sliders defining spec & gloss.

That is what they should do, but they decided on a low blow to the costumers. Its not hard, have the same color selector from dow, and add in two sliders for other two options.

[Frigidair44]

The color range provided is fine. For the most part, the 'army painter' of DoW1 was pretty weak sauce. Yeah it allowed for a full spectrum of color but most of nuance of color differentiation is lost on the typical player. I'm an artist and I wasn't very impressed with what you could do with color and painting specifics.

That and a lot of the paint jobs were painful to look at. If I saw one more bright purple/pink Chaos army I was going to shoot myself.

So less color? No real loss. I can still make my "Pink Posie Orks" and I'm fine with that. And I'm sure we will see all manner of cool and ugly paint jobs with the range provided.

What is disappointing is the lack of custom badges and flags. Well not that their are flags in this game, but it was nice to see an IG army flying the Brittish or American flag... and some really cool badges as well. Sigh...

[KotCR]

If I saw one more bright purple/pink Chaos army I was going to shoot myself.

That's actually a fluff Chaos army, one of the major ones. Emperor's Children. Heh.

[GenTechJ]

The space limitation in names can be fixed (as well as the double spacing I've noticed that happens with custom armies).

Navigate to your My Documents/My Games/Dawn of War 2/Settings and open playercfg.lua

Look for your custom armies and fix the names how you like. I used this method to fix "Sons Guilliman" to "Sons of Guilliman". It appears in game just fine, and thus far no crashes. Haven't taken them into a MP match yet though.

[RayvenQ85]

How awesome would it be if Relic held a community badge contest allowing fans to submit badges then vote on which ones will be included in future updates...

Not as awesome as letting us import our own badges if we wanted to.

[Rhedd]

Thanks, GenTechJ! I figured that was possible, since some of the included chapters have longer names, but I didn't expect it to be that easy.

Thanks for the info.

[sweetcc]

I want my own badges. I also want banners back in. Doesn't feel the same without your stamp on the territory you control.

The painter colours I don't particularly care about myself. I was ok with using the spectrum but it got tiring trying to make a specific tone (like kommando khaki, since when it comes to colours I need things to be as accurate as possible in just about anything.) so I just used that one mod for DoW that added all the citadel paint colours and didn't bother touching it after that.

[Cizjut]

About not having custom badges

Is this going to change in the future?

[Knight_Kin]

I would say it's fairly certain that Relic will not change this in the future, Cizjut.

[Nove]

I would rather have custom banners than custom color schemes. I never really noticed colors much back in DoW but I did occasionally notice a cool flag. My banner also started to get recognized and people I fought against a second time would often comment on it, which made me feel better connected to the game.

[Necronium]

Thanks to GenTechJ, I fixed my Emperor's Dragons.
However I found something interesting :
Change this line : img120.imageshack.us/img120/4941/sanstitre2br0.jpg
Ingame : img142.imageshack.us/img142/1746/relic00000ab3.jpg

This badge doesn't exist for Eldar or Space Marines in the Army Painter. Quite weird...

[Frigidair44]

That's actually a fluff Chaos army, one of the major ones. Emperor's Children. Heh.

Seriously?

*Scampers off to do a Google image search *

Crap they are. I feel like an ass. Well... in my defense, the paint jobs I see on Google on the action figures are a bright pink mixed with a deep purple and black.

Most of the ones I saw were screamingly bright purple and pink and called their armies:

xxx.~'* ch@os-sl@yerz *'~.xxxx

and not the Emperor's Children.

I would also seriously believe that chaos did not use l33t spe@k when writing out their memos or whatever. But then again, those wacky chaos do like to be chaotic.

[Shuma]

You underestimate the ruinous powers of chaos. Ahem. Aniway, this:

"How awesome would it be if Relic held a community badge contest allowing fans to submit badges then vote on which ones will be included in future updates..."

Could be done and it'd be awesome, imagine Relic just holding the contest and then Hangar 8 comes adds his badges and they're added to the game. Everyone's happy.

[{Exo}{Elite}]

@Necronium Are you sure you named it properly? oh and badges for other races don't show.

[Rhedd]

There's 50 or so badges in the painter apparently. Not all belong to recognisable groups. There's also a no badge option.

Lies.

There are very few badges, and they're all recognizable from fluff. There is a no-badge option, though, which at least means that armies don't have to have the wrong badge.


For the record, Relic isn't the one that's guilty of taking away our custom badges. Well... at least not directly guilty.

It is 100% confirmed that custom badges aren't allowed purely because of Microsoft's bullshit.

Relic is only guilty of going with GFWL as their server, not of concocting a scheme to part us from our money for every little badge. That may be M$'s plan, but not Relic's.

I assume that the major reason GFWL was chosen is obvious. If there's not an Xbox version of this game within a year, I'll eat my hat.

I can only hope the worst for GFWL and the idiots that run Microsoft, but put the blame where the blame is due.

I also know that Relic is considering some compromises to the badge system. Hopefully they'll work out!

[Shuma]

Or simply because GFWL is much superior to Gamespy. Aniway, no one ever said that Relic's going to charge us for Badges and they probably whont, it'd be beyond stupid.

"and they're all recognizable from fluff."

Who the hell are the Revilers!?

[Rhedd]

Who the hell are the Revilers!?

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Revilers

Here's an awesome list, for anyone who wants to make new Marine chapters:
http://www.ironhands.com/chapters.htm

[Saberdark]

That second link is indeed awesome. Nice find.

[GRLSOV]

Well, from what we saw in the custom texture topic of the beta, the Revilers are shinier than C-3PO. I wonder why they made them so shiny here...

Edit: This is another nice list of Space Marine chapters with some backstory.
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/L...arine_Chapters

[Mirage Knight]

Could be done and it'd be awesome, imagine Relic just holding the contest and then Hangar 8 comes adds his badges and they're added to the game. Everyone's happy.

He's not the only with some swank B&B sets, but yeah

[jujumbura]

I'm still a bit baffled by the uproar regarding custom color definitions from an RGB slider and badages. Why is it that, in DoW1 which contains these features that folks are so vocal about, all I ever saw was completely white or pink armies?

Wow, that's brilliant buddy. The all-pink "GheyKnights" Space Marines army. You're truly one-of-a-kind.

While it's unfortunate that this strips some creativity from you folks who are willing to put in the time and effort to make cool, detailed chapters, I honeslty feel like the average color schemes I see when I go online now look better than the reuglar stream of crap coming from DoW1. All in all, I think it makes for a more polished visual experience, as nothing detracts from the overall aesthetic like seeing a lot of 0xFF00FFFF.

[{Exo}{Elite}]

@Rhedd
Nice links mate, I made like thousands of them the other day, got no badges though,not yet.

[Shuma]

My point was that the Revilers are not eassily recognizable. But yeah. Relic should hold a banner contest, someone should start pestering them.