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This has been puzzling me for a while, and Chrome, if you value my sanity (and the sanity of several other readers), then you'll answer this all-important, critical question:
Why 'Legacies'?
Having read the entire trilogy so far, I can't see that much in the way of legacies... so what prompted you to call it that? I'm not meaning to be forceful and interrogative, I would just like to clear up this thought that has been running around my mind on and off for the past few weeks.
Legacies might come from the whole idea of a legacy that the progenitors left? Just a thought.
#103
Khar makaan, I hereby predict that not only will that pink ICF not survive, I predict that it'd become a beast icf and will lay pink ionic death upon the Allies.
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#104
Legacies was both an epic and "related to the story" name.
It started with Karan passing part of her legacy on to Noreena, the legacy of the "sacrifice" to become an Unbound controller being resumed by Noreena, and to some extent the legacy of the Vaygr War in Makaan's son Jerel.
Then things expanded a little, and included who I realized had to be a Progenitor bad guy to be able to steal the Sajuuk - which extended the legacies theme further. Add on Qwaar-Jet, the Kadeshi history, and all this backstory for Ash, and the theme just keeps on going. Like the Energizer Bunny.
That help?
Ah... That's as illuminating as Ambassador Rakim's Deluxe Reveal Exposition Extraordinaire. Thanks!
Now, here is something to think about: the Keepers and the death of Sajuuk.
I have my doubts as to if the Keepers are to take this lying down, provided if they continue to function without him. If Ash had to hack them like he did with Sajuuk, then he is likely to still have them slaved to his every thougt. However, if they were with him ONLY because of Sajuuk, and are capable of operating without Sajuuk, then I can only imagine that Part IV my open up with the Keepers showing their 'love' for Ashron.
M'kay, Wow, After all my lurking, and vanishing off for a long while, It's amazing to see what Chrome's churned out while I've been away, Good gods it's good! But yeah, Something just occured to me, Why didn't Nor just slap the cannon up to fifteen or so seconds firing time and point it at the Beasty-Giant-T-mat thing, Or wasn't there enough time? I did skim that chapter due to speed-reading.
Apparently, the Qwaar-deesh fleet hypered between them, blocking the way, and distracting Qwaar by actually doing some proper damage to him (I was hoping that would happen - and it did! Thanks, Chrome!)
Let's sail in this sea of charms
Let's drown underneath the stars
Ah, I see, Figures I missed something like that when I read it, And Chrome, Well done, Very well done, You've surpassed all of your previous achievements with this one, 'Course, it means we're all going to have some rather large expectations for Legacies IV, Still; Good Luck.
Edit: Double-edit: No, No Ignore me, I've actually read the last chapter properly now, And I realize what actually went on >.< I missed an entire paragraph when I speed-read it.
Last edited by Angelofthenight; 19th Sep 09 at 8:34 AM.
I wonder if there'll be Noreena and Makaan babies. This would be a distinctly soppy, yet highly fitting, moment in Legacies. Some proper romance, in the light of all this death and blowey-uppey stuff, would be oddly refreshing in my opinion.
Legacies IV is going to be so good!
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Heh...
That'd be playing Ilania's game Pegasus
All of this has happened before...
All of this will happen again...
Time is but an eternal cycle.
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#112
One wonders what Ash has up his sleeve to counter Qwaar's antiproton weapon: perhaps some kind of gravitic interference to force a frighteningly premature detonation of the beam? After all it would be fairly anticlimactic if he procured a new planetary shipyard if only to have it blown up by a very angry Noreena...
I have no strong feelings one way or the other.
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#113
I don't know, but I pretty much want to guarantee that Ashoran isn't worried about the Qwaar Jet mucking up his new shipyard. After all he knew that Noreena would show up. however a botched anti proton shot will destroy even the Qwaar Jet. It's a very dangerous weapon.
Finally I made it.
First of all, chrome, great story you've written so far, I love it
You don't plan introducing Kiith Tambuur as some kind of special reinforcement?
Sorry for my bad english, I'm from Germany.
Chrome, as always, wonderful. I fell behind on Legacies 3 and have to say that it's just as satisfyingly good as the other two.
Keep it up, and IV will be...well, bad because the saga ends and good because it'll be friggen awesome.
#116
With the (surprising, yet unsurprising) destruction of Haven, I wonder if you're trying to setup a clash not unlike that in Star Trek: Destroy Vulcan (to shock the heroes and galvanise them into action) and then <insert climactic battle over Earth here>
I imagine that given time for sufficient repairs, Ash would probably be wanting to go for another planetary shipyard, in which case the situation would be nicely set for <insert climactic battle over Hiigara here>. Which would make perfect sense if I vaguely remember one of the experimental plotlines you were brainstorming about regarding the origins of Koshiir Ra.
I realise of course I'm probably delving deep into spoiler territory... so I'm not too hopeful on getting any straight answers :P
#117
Eh don't worry, it takes a lot more plot and planning to get to the endgame, so don't worry about being into spoilers.
And no, you're not getting straight answers. You at least know me that well already.
Anyone else remember Noreena's mom's weird little statuette? When is that thing going to show up again!? I've been waiting and waiting for it... or maybe it was dropped in the edits, which I ashamedly admit I haven't gone back and read yet...
Anyway, thats what pops into my head every time the Koshiir Ra is mentioned...
Not the Librarian, surely. He Of The Long Build Time.
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I personally wonder which personality Koshiir Ra will have when it is discovered - The current God-ships share a male personality (I'm assuming for the Sajuuk) and have a female controller. They also both have frighteningly powerful primary weapons, however Sajuuk, again, had it modified from construction purposes. In order to round out the trinity, would it be best to have another Uber-powerful ship that has "I eat your face" primary weapon that uses some mystical element like spamcake, or would it have a different purpose?
Would the primary controller also be another gender, or has the grand foreshadowing already provided another possibilty further along the line?
Just wondering as most holy trinities have the creator, the destroyer and the protector.
Or maybe Chrome is possibly going to follow the philosophy that the best defence is a good offence.
Just my 2 cents
P.S. just also wondering about Qwaar- most of his weapons and cannons are under his wings, right? And they open outward to face the front, right? Then how does he shoot at a target behind him in emergencies?
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#120
Realistically, an antiproton stream is relatively easy to deal with. Each of these little antiprotons carries -1 elementary charge, the same as an electron. Magnetic fields have a strong effect on the movement vector of charged particles. Enough magnetic force and you can redirect or scatter a stream of charged particles. Even more force, control over your fields, and some applied phlebotinum, and you can do all kinds of crazy shit.One wonders what Ash has up his sleeve to counter Qwaar's antiproton weapon
Ash better stock up on electromagnets.
To slip to another subject...(feel freee to follow me or not
Chrome wrote that Karan planned the Alliance to recover and repair/rebuild the Sajuuk to reunite the Divine Trinity (originally, the Trinity , aside from the gods, was the Three Hyperspace Cores
So here's the exercise:
Since it's obvious that the Sajuuk will be somewhat 'pimped up' (in my humble opinion ^^), what will be it's new characteristics?
You have three hours
In my personnal opinion, i think it's be faire to give it a new Qwaarmetal hull and a Grvitic Rift Drive/Bubble
For the weaponry, there's not a lot of things that can be done... Maybe increasing a bit the output of the PCA and adding a few ion cannons but that's it ^^ The only modification i can see with it concern armor, drives and shielding
#122
I just can't shake the feeling that either Mr. "I can rebuild progenitor technology in my spare time" Or Miss "Omg i just want to protect my home from that thing that destroyed my homeship" will become the new avatar for 'Raa
Of course with Karan and Sajuuk back in the picture, Noreena will have an equal on the battle field, yay, teamed up mind blasting fun!
#123
one concern about rebuilding Sajuuk
Ashoran's way to smart to simply leave a salvageable hulk in space
he's gonna have traps on it, stripped it of most of the usable parts
(like the cores, the main weapon system)
basically if they retrieve Sajuuk, it's will be a slab of recognizable hull
with little utility beyond trapping salvaging crews on it
and making the whole ordeal a pain in the ass
Hmmm... Seems you've got a point there Hiro ^^
But there's one thing that isn't too bothering...
The cores ^^
Yes, Kuun-Lan has an assembly line for Far Jumpers and Trinity Sytems (they even build one for Mak's SuperBC), and they can still devise a new one for the Sajuuk
Besides, i wouldn't be too worried about the main gun part, Ash wouldn't need it due to his gravitic pulse cannons, and could have left it on the remains (maybe crippled, but not necessarily beyond repair... If worse came to the worst, i think Qwaar could give a and into rebuilding one).
Heh, one must wonder where the "soothing embrace" at the end of that chapter will end up (and really, it's about time). Other than that, I found your comment about the harvesters picking the useful bits out of the dead ships to be your most moving in the whole Legacies series so far. And you've set things up to be epic in the coming chapters...
Hmm, sounds like he better invest in some Taiidan defense field technology. If anyone remembers HW1's DFG, didn't it use an effin huge electromagnet to 'stop' bullets and thousands of little lasers to then shoot them out of the sky? Or something like that?Realistically, an antiproton stream is relatively easy to deal with. Each of these little antiprotons carries -1 elementary charge, the same as an electron. Magnetic fields have a strong effect on the movement vector of charged particles. Enough magnetic force and you can redirect or scatter a stream of charged particles. Even more force, control over your fields, and some applied phlebotinum, and you can do all kinds of crazy shit.
And Sajuuk...rebuilding it. I don't know how Ash could've scrapped the whole thing. And the main gun? That cannon ran the whole ship, from the hyperspace cores in the back to the emitter at the front. I'd think that if he wanted to jack the cannon and leave the ship, he'd be better off just taking the ship, the ship *is* the cannon.
Defense field technology is able to deflect mass driver rounds and plasma bombs, but it's nowhere said that it's build upon "magnets"
For the little lasers... That is how Taiidan Defense fighters destroy incoming ennemy ordnance
#128
Yalin, he basically did jack the ship for the cannon in the early part of his campaign. However, don't forget that the Trinity of Cores makes it especially valuable for other jobs...
#129
I do have two questions.
1. Howmuch of the evil beast nebula is left in the garden.
2. How much over the garden was used up in infecting Haven, and how much has survived and is left in the Qaal-Haara?
If he used a vast amount on the planet, then his only other recourse may be to crash a super beast cruiser into the planet
One last thing, does anyone else imagine the Beast super cruisers to look like an infected version of this....
linky
Ah the Vaygr Battleship from PDS (then seen in Complex and others IIRC
Nay, doesn't look... Beasty enough IMHO
I'd think that thes bio-Battlecruisers would have more biological forms
From the HW:Cata manual, also online at the HW Shipyards/HW Wikia. I would think that a big effin version of the DFG would pretty much screw QJ's antiproton gun. Just like how it collapses the Siege Cannon shot. Hell, you could array the DFG's to the point where you could effectively re-aim the beam after QJ fires it. Oooh that'd be evil...The defense field is based on electromagnetic waves emitted from a generator in the bow of the ship. The defense field, which has a limited usage time must be recharged after running out of power. The EM field is strong but not strong enough to repel ion cannons. In addition, slow-moving ammunition like mines or missiles are also not repelled. Even so, the Tiifal is truly the most effective protection against strike craft attacks, despite its expense.
#132
however you also have to keep in mind that the anti proton beam is inside a small rift created by the god of war that clears obstacles before firing, so would that have an effect? (EG you'd have to have one massive magnet and have it survive QJ's spiral of doom before it could affect the anti proton beam of despair)
the sajuuk is no where equal to Qwaar-Jet in fire power... even when it was undamage
perhaps give the sajuuk other role to play, such as super fast building ship/bots capability, after all it is know as "He Whose Hand Shapes What Is"
and... no AI please, or don't give it the ability to talk but telepathy with those who are exposed to the core... or the Sajuuk-khar only, one of qwaar is enough.
the role of the sajuuk isn't combat but the key to Great Network of Hyperspace Gates. Eyes of Aarran :P
Point taken garnet
This is why i only suggested giving it a whole new Qwaarmetal armour (wich is far much tougher than the Progenitor armour the Sajuuk is supposed to have ^^ [wich by itself is already tougher than standard Hiigaran/Vaygr armour
But yeah, knowing it's original construction purpose, it's be interesting if he could act as an accelerated shipyard ^^
For the AI... If you remember correctly what you read, you should know that he already have one that became friend with Koshiir Ra
But i have to admit that the AI seems not to have been very talkative with Karan
Q? Who are the tobari? Who are they,Where did they come from, and what do they want?
Sajuuk would be a more controlled persona in my mind. He would not be 'bored' or 'evil' as Qwaar is half the time. If Qwaar is like the Orks or the Dark Eldar of thw WH40k universe, Sajuuk would be the Space Marines or the Eldar.
also, I still think he latches onto something larger-still to make stuff. :d
Tobari were essentially badassier replacements for the Turanics in the original Homeworld 2. According to TV Tropes they're essentially "LA street gangs in space". Of course, as this (superior) version of Homeworld 2 was never released all we have on the Tobari are the brief description we get in the Homeworld: Empire script and some concept arts floating around which show practically no consistency in ship design. We have no idea where they originate, and when they became more important than the Turanics, but we do know that they seem to infest the 'Canyonlands' in the Karos Graveyard and are particularly active around the Inner Rim. They also are confident enough to hold a Nalthoran communication probe to ransom at a service in the last hours of the Hiigaran Emperor's life.Q? Who are the tobari? Who are they,Where did they come from, and what do they want?
...My god, I just realised that knowing all that is rather sad. Meh.
Ashoran really isn't that bad of a guy once you get to know him, really. He tells some pretty good jokes during those lulls in his quest for the universe. Working under him isn't all that bad either, good pay, VERY good benefits and a friendly team atmosphere among his devout followers.
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#139
i got a good chuckle from that, Beast
#140
So did I.
That might inspire me to attempt a Qwaar-deesh propoganda poster sometime...
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Yay, Phased Siege Cannon! \o/ x)
After all, the Vaygr succeeded in upgrading their BC's Trinity Gun to Phased Trinity Guns, especially on their SuperBCs
True, But the Siege cannon round is actually a great big fireball encased football, So far as the In-game detailing on the research goes, And Phased is kinda impossible with a great big Cannon, It's still shooting lumps of metal regardless of what you coat 'em in.
I stand by my bonsai-supernova theory, despite the fact that even by Cataclysm standards, the science is a bit off.
and I've been thinking this whole time that the siege cannon was basically a glorified, super-sized plasma bomb launcher. If you can get phasing technology into the trinity gun, you could probably get phasing tech into any plasma bomb launcher.
On another note, it would me more prudent for the allies to use the heat sinking secrets of the progenitors to give them rapid-fire pulsar cannons/lance cannons and infinite-searing ion cannons as it would be to rebuild the Sajuuk.
Heh, if you remember, Progie has been so obsessed by Progenitor Keepers and their continuous fire ion cannons that his work on that came out to make an upgraded version of the 'Dervish' class MBF with (at least) very quick rapi-fire ion canons
I'd be interested to see that tech applied to destroyer / BC class ions. It'd make those ships a bitch to flank, and losing one's fighter cover would no longer be a problem.
Also iirc the upgraded Dervish can focus all of its energy through one firing port, essentially becoming a regular ion frig.
Don't recall that from the stories, but it's not a bad idea. I played Cataclysm first, so it took me a while to fully appreciate the knockout-punch value of a battery of Firelances in Wall formation.
That's a thought, actually. Just how many different warship designs does Somtaaw have in the Legacies era? Have they stuck with a fairly limited fleet of multi-purpose warship types or have they diversified and specialised a bit?
#148
I would think the Somtaaw simply built upon what they already had, tweaking, fixing, upgrading - and only adding new ships or discarding old designs if the situation called for it. If the energy cannons no longer did the job, they'd switch to ions. If frigates from the Beast War don't serve the existing situation, they're either upgraded to suit, or retired.
New ships would be built for a specific purpose as to justify the resources and manpower put into them. For instance: the Somtaaw Q-ship would probably be a small warship built from the bottom up to pass off as a merchant while delivering maximum kickass. That likely came out of having to defend their convoys against pirate, Imperialist, and Vaygr raids.
Thus, you see how the Archangel II's came about - upgrades to the original Archangel dreadnaught to suit the current situations in terms of firepower, point-defense, manuverability, and survivability. Rather than completely scrap the line of ships and waste a lot of time and manpower in making completely new vessels, the Somtaaw would simply make them more useful.
the way i see it...
the Somtaaw is on equal ground with the rest of the allies.
even to the Higarian and the Vagyr,
the Somtaaw is just a kiith of the Higarian empire, which would be equivalent to a Crusade of the Vagyr
in term of the command chain... shouldn't Makaan and Karan be on top because the Higarian's fleet and the Vagyr's fleet are what make up the majority of the allies fleet.
otherz such as the taiidan empire/republic are equal in name only.. their respective nation/empire have already fallen or in great chaos...
That makes sense now I come to think about it. Unless Somtaaw travels through some very weird nebulae, they don't have to deal with corrosion damage very much; with regular refits, there's no reason why ships from the Exodus era shouldn't still be in service if they've escaped irreparable battle damage.
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