Normandy 44 : European Theater (Sweeten2213 retired - 2.0 Alpha released))

[Ares201]

Pardon for straying from the topic, but is Windows 7 not the reccomended platform to run this mod on? My game crashes 50% of the time and i can only play one versus one. Every time i try more than that, it crashes during loading or right as it finishes. My page memory bar is pretty much 1/3 of the way and my graphics are medium/low. Does anyone have these issues or should i just install on XP?

[sweeten2213]

A lot of stuff since my last post (which is good) so I will be general...

Sturm is right about the historical aspects (as he always is ). The Ost and Wirble were used enough for my liking during our time frame and we have tried to use the one most appropriate for the division and regiment (some have none - just static emplacement)

We would love to add another AA platform for the Germans, but there has to be an order of doing things. We still have an extensive list which we feel is more important - for now.

The Crusader AA was used in our time frame and is the most logical AA platform for the Brits.

It was Aidas' idea for the Bofors to start

I will still try and get a better changelog, but there are a ton of little things (you can also look at the log I did when I released or on ModDB).

Nebels with stay firing into the FOW since they were used more in that fashion.

The AT teams not cloaking - more than likely because the member not cloaked not being in cover. You will still be able to get into the ambush state if only some members are in cover, but the members that aren't won't be camo'ed.

@ Ares - more than likely your rig may need you to lower graphics even lower (maybe to all low?). Check out post 1 for details, but you generally need about 4 GB of USABLE RAM (which also means you should have x64 bit OS). Windows 7 is actually great for the mod, but it like all other OS's should be x64 bit.

[sweeten2213]

OK - we've had all this talk about graphics settings and what you need to run the mod, blah, blah, blah. I've also hear numerous times "I can run game X on my rig just fine", or, "I can run Vanilla CoH just fine." It may be unfortunate, but to add all the stuff we added, the mod needs a lot of RAM - there's no two ways about it.

From what I gather, CRYSIS seems to be the "benchmark" for most demanding on a system. So, I looked up their minimum specs, recommended specs, and "realistic to play on high settings" specs. Here they are :

CRYSIS

Minimum System Requirements

* OS – Windows XP or Windows Vista
* Processor – Single core 2.8 GHz or faster (XP) or 3.2 GHz or faster* (Vista)
* Memory – 1.0 GB RAM (XP) or 1.5 GB RAM (Vista)
* Video Card –256 MB**
* Hard Drive – 12GB
* Sound Card – DirectX 9.0c compatible

Official Recommended System Requirements

* OS – Windows XP / Vista
* Processor – Intel Core 2 DUO @ 2.2GHz or AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+
* Memory – 2.0 GB RAM
* GPU – NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS/640 or similar

he above "Official Recommended System Requirements" will not run the game on very high. To run the game at 30+ frames per second on very high the following is recommended.

* OS - Windows Vista
* Processor - A dual core processor 2.6 GHz or above
* Memory - 3.0 GB RAM
* GPU - NVIDIA GeForce 280 GTX or a Radeon HD 4870 X2

I can further tell you these used to be my specs :

Intel Core 2 Quad Core Q8200 @ 2.33 GHz
x32 bit Vista
4 GB Ram
NVidea GeForce 250 GS 1024 MB

With those specs I couldn't play on anything higher than low to medium settings and 3v3's and 4v4's were difficult. It also should be noted that in the Crysis specs, the RAM never goes over 3GB, so no real need for a discussion for x32 or x64 bit OS since X32 bit can handle 3GB.

Do the math and you'll see those are basically higher than the company's recommended specs for Crysis, and higher in RAM which is where N44 : ET is most demanding. I doubt that you could play N44 : ET on anything higher than a 1v1 on low settings with Crysis' "official recommended settings" due to the low RAM.

As I've said before upgrading to a x64 bit OS made a BIG difference since I could then use all 4Gigs of RAM.

Adding two more GiGs of RAM (up to 6GB) made an even bigger difference (everything else the same and with, of course, the x64 bit OS).

My new rig (much better than either of the others I just mentioned) runs everything beautifully, but it is a beast of a rig.

So, why all this blabbering....

I would say our "minimum specs" for N44 : ET would be somehwere between Crysis' "official recommended specs" and their "real recommended specs".

I would say minimum RAM is 3GB with recommended at 6GB, and the video card minimum at 512 MB with a recommeded level of 1024. And at those minimums, expect to play on low or medium settings. With those recommended, you could probably play on high.

Hope that clears things up at least a little, and I hope it's now clear that N44 : ET is more demanding than even the most demanding PC games. And, you could have a rig that can run Crysis full blast and still have issues with N44 : ET since Crysis is less demanding on RAM memory (you're gonna need at least 6GB of RAM to run N44 : ET on full blast as opposed to the 3GB for Crysis)

If you guys are able to give me some feedback on your rigs and what you can play with N44 : ET, I will try and post "official" minimums and recommended levels, as well as minimums for "high performance"

One of my theories is that RAM is 90% of it, and as long as you have an OK CPU and graphics card, you'll be ok. But, we'll see

[accid]

@sweeten: for the changelog ... are you familiar with subversion? This would be the best tool for you, for tracking changes and bugs. If you are interessted in, send me a PM and we can get in contact.

hint: http://www.visualsvn.com/server/


br

accid

[alx5]

Hi all,
I downloaded and installed mod Normandy44 twice it works except once started it doesn't show the portraits in the unit boxes to call new troops from.. ???
I have Italian version installed; if that may be the issue how can I readdress it?
thanks

PS. I love this mod, sounds and troops' look are muchmre realistic

[Sturmhaubitze]

The Crusader AA was used in our time frame and is the most logical AA platform for the Brits.

Well it's the most logical for an Armoured Regiment, which had one troop (6 or 8, I believe) to be parceled out to the squadrons (typically a section of 2 per squadron), but for everyone else they'll have to use what the divisional artillery regiment has. That means towed Bofors, and truck-mounted Bofors or 20mm guns. Since they're truck mounted, and not armoured, they'll be chewed up by small arms fire. They'd still be useful to some degree as dedicated AA, just not useful against ground forces.



For Americans, the M1 Bofors (same gun as the British model) and M16 MGMC are acceptable for nearly everyone. AA was supplied by external AA batteries that were attached to divisions as needed, and the batteries were either mobile (towed) or self-propelled (half-tracks), so every division had access to the same AA as everyone else (though armored divisions typically received the SP batteries only). Though the M16 MGMC was paired up with the M13 CGMC (37mm + Dual .50cal), with 2 of each per platoon, so adding the M13 would make it more accurate. The M13 has more firepower against light vehicles, with only a slight reduction against infantry.

There's also the M15 MGMC (Dual .50cal), which was eventually replaced by the M16 MGMC, which was also paired up with the M13 CGMC. Skipping the M15 would be historically acceptable, since the M16 is there and both were in service at that time.

Heavier AA guns were typically not used tactically, so the M1 Bofors, M13, M15, and M16 are really all the US could use for the summer '44 period.

[citizensoldier]

My specs for my system are in the mid range:




Processor:AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+ (2 CPUs), ~2.6GHz
Memory:2046MB RAM
Hard Drive:309 GB
Video Card:NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GT
Monitor:Generic PnP Monitor
Sound Card:Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Speakers/Headphones:
Keyboard:USB Root Hub
Mouse:USB Root Hub
Mouse Surface:
Operating System:








Windows Vista™ Home Premium (6.0, Build 6002) Service Pack 2 (6002.vis








So I use Shader and Model Quality on HIGH, Everything else low or off if possible, and use a 1280X768 resolution. I also would note the sound being an issue I use 32 voices and 22000 frequency- anything higher if you dont have a dedicated sound card will cause an issue.. I only play 1v1's I found if you just use an expert AI opponent, you will have your hands full, and I play mostly medium/large maps, mediums possible for 2v2's but that will most likey crash.. This is the nature of this Beautiful beast we call N44, and I've learned not to get pissed at the dreaded middle match crash.. As soon as I can, Im going to upgrade to x64 win 7 and get as much RAM as my computer will hold, like Sweeten said, that would make the most difference. Till then, I will just have to play the way I have been.. The mod is so worth it IMO, and I can only stress upgrading your system if you can do so...

[GnigruG]

I hope it's now clear that N44 : ET is more demanding than even the most demanding PC games.

No offence, but I still don't think it should be.

I bet that there are ppl like me, who just can't play this game with lower graphics, simply because it's ugly down there.
That's the only reason why I don't have this mod already. Why add tons of skins, when most ppl can't see their full beauty?

[Thiky83]

AA for Americans: I according to me the best is a M15 or M15A1!!
Not just AA (against infantry and light vehicles) twin .50cal, but had 37mm AT gun. Used during our time frame! And good look!!


M15A1
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/6...0thinfdiv7.jpg
The 3th Infantry Division's M15A1 in Provence (France).
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M15A1
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/9...1sicile4su.jpg
T28E1 (443 AAA Bn) in Saint Raphael (France).
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M15 (90th Infantry Division) in Italy.

[Sturmhaubitze]

Oops, got my model numbers wrong. I meant to say M15 CGMC for my suggestions, rather than M13 CGMC. The M13 is the dual .50cal.

As noted by Thiky83.

[vonmonkey]

Hey Sweeten and team been playing the new update and as always awesome job!
The balancing is great, the skins, models and sounds are fantastic. Ever since i got my new rig. The mod runs perfect on high settings. Thanks alot you guys are GODS to me.

The Monkey

[Goregasm]

Why are the updates so darn big? I spent all night downloading the 1.5GB update and one, ONE file was corrupt. Now I have to redownload the whole thing.

No offence, but I still don't think it should be.

I bet that there are ppl like me, who just can't play this game with lower graphics, simply because it's ugly down there.
That's the only reason why I don't have this mod already. Why add tons of skins, when most ppl can't see their full beauty?

This. I have to play the game on the lowest settings so I can't fully experience the skins you're constantly jamming into this mod. The gameplay is great, and the sound is AWESOME, but the skins are practically useless. I love this mod, but wow, I'm downloading 1.5GB of data which I'm not fully going to see. That's a waste to be honest...

I can't even get my friend to redownload the mod, because it kept crashing for him AND because it was so laggy in a 2v2 (his graphics were at the lowest also).

I believe there should be a seperate version that doesn't demand so much (SKINS SKINS SKINS) for people who don't have the best computers to run this mod effectively.

[||Lz3||]

I can play 3 vs 3 with everything on high and even shaders set to ultra. I may be able to play 4 vs 4, but, I'm not sure if my laptop can handle it. heh...

Well , here goes my specs:
* OS – Windows 7 64 bits (fundamental. Same experience as sweeten)
* Processor – Dual core 2.67 GHz
* Memory – 4.0 GB RAM (XP) or 1.5 GB RAM (Vista)
* Video Card –1024 MB ATI HD4650

I should note that before going 64 bits, I could only play with the current recommended settings (everything low except 3 thing I do not remember), as soon as I switched to 64 bits, I could play 3 vs 3 on high. THis is with the SAME computer and hell, even the same OS, before having Windows 7 64x I had Windows 7 32x. THe difference, at least in this game is, to say the least, amazing.

[citizensoldier]

Anyone ever heard the saying : "You cant please everyone all the time?"

That being said, I'm not a wealthy man. Three kids, two with special needs, house, car, blah, blah.. A decent computer upgrade (some RAM, maybe a jump to a new OS, or a new Video card) doesn't really cost that much nowadays. One just has to nut up and buy some hardware to get desired effects..

Mind to everyone- This is just my two cents, an opinion from both a Developer's standpoint and one of a long time player of this mod..

This mod is a concept, an experiment taking a great game and running with a dream, to give YOU, the player, a taste or an idea of just how big the scope this conflict was. As huge as this mod has become, it still isn't even coming close to the amount of Human involvement and mechanical material that were there fighting the greatest war this planet has ever seen.

I have to play the game on the lowest settings so I can't fully experience the skins you're constantly jamming into this mod. The gameplay is great, and the sound is AWESOME, but the skins are practically useless. I love this mod, but wow, I'm downloading 1.5GB of data which I'm not fully going to see. That's a waste to be honest...

I can't even get my friend to redownload the mod, because it kept crashing for him AND because it was so laggy in a 2v2 (his graphics were at the lowest also).

I believe there should be a seperate version that doesn't demand so much (SKINS SKINS SKINS) for people who don't have the best computers to run this mod effectively.

Take my advice, Play a 1v1 with a hard opponent or expert.. If your Rig is on the lower end, don't even try 2v2. I never do.. The other AI's just get in the way.. The skins, however, are beautiful even on low settings, IMO I dont even notice , unless you zoom right on in.. I would say my rig is on the lower end, even with my 512 Geforce 98GT, I crash often toying with different settings, but now ive found "THE SWEET SPOT", and the mod is smooth and fun. Its everyone's tendency to "push it" a little, thinking the mod will look bad if you don't have the settings higher..

For the sake of an argument, there really is no possible way to make a " different version" of the mod, It would take away so much from the vision and concept to do this.. I would suggest playing our "Brother" mod- Blitzkrieg, it has great units, features and skins, all at signifigantly lower memory demands, for those with lower end rigs.. It even can play the campaigns as well..

The object would be a compromise, but not at the expense of chopping the mod to pieces so EVERYONE can play, because again youi cant please everyone all the time.. Not everyone can play Crysis either.

LONG LIVE NORMANDY 1944, THE GREATEST WWII REAL TIME STRATEGY MOD!
CS

[sSSPzAbt102]

i have been pondering an idea for this mod. Maybe instead of having the doctrine be how you choose divisions maybe you could make 3 factions that all belong to the wehrmacht like 709th ID 21st PzD and 12th SS PzD and the same for allies so there'd be six factions or 'divisions' for each side Axis and Allies. You get it. I mean it may not be do-able but its just a sugestion because i don't understand much about modding.

Excellent Mod Love it the team is definately godly as are all other modders (gotta have Respect for this time consuming job y'all do.

P.S. The skins for the 709th I.D. Are Awesome Period Especially the Grenadiere

[sweeten2213]

I'll have more time later for a more appropriate response, but for now I'll say this.

I understand the concerns of the people with lower end machines.

However, as far as the amount of skins added, I've actually subtracted a few over time. There may be an assumption that we have several skins per squad for variety. That is not the case. We have skins for each of the divisions involved. For example - for the 29th Inf Div - we have four skins (I'm pretty sure) - a private, sgt, lt, and cpt. There are also several times we use the same capt skin for different divisions.

The thing is, our hallmark is diversity. To have that diversity, we have to have skins representing the different divisions included. So, we have only 2 - 4 skins per division (basically due to ranks), but MANY divisions due to the subdoctrines.

Hope that at least clarifies whywe have so many - it's not a huge variety within divisions - it's a huge variety of divisions (all unique in the way they are played adding to diversity) that need properly marked skins.

Again - more later on the other stuff - and I would like to hear more opinions as well

And - CS hit the nail on the head as far as trying to achieve the scope of the conflict.

I had a rare occasion to actually PLAY a game the game the other day. 3v3 - me as Wehr with 1 hard wehr ally and 1 hard PE ally vs. 1 hard US enemy, 1 hard Brit enemy, and 1 normal US enemy - all on Ultra. I have to say - and I understand many couldn't play in that situation - it was breathtaking and amazing! It's what I want the mod to be.

But I'll say again - we're not "jamming" skins in just to jam them in - we're adding skins to be appropriately marked for the divisions (i.e. the recent French SAS skins added - they were put in because the skins being used were neither French nor SAS )

[Goregasm]

Take my advice, Play a 1v1 with a hard opponent or expert.. If your Rig is on the lower end, don't even try 2v2. I never do.. The other AI's just get in the way.. The skins, however, are beautiful even on low settings, IMO I dont even notice , unless you zoom right on in.. I would say my rig is on the lower end, even with my 512 Geforce 98GT, I crash often toying with different settings, but now ive found "THE SWEET SPOT", and the mod is smooth and fun. Its everyone's tendency to "push it" a little, thinking the mod will look bad if you don't have the settings higher..

For the sake of an argument, there really is no possible way to make a " different version" of the mod, It would take away so much from the vision and concept to do this.. I would suggest playing our "Brother" mod- Blitzkrieg, it has great units, features and skins, all at signifigantly lower memory demands, for those with lower end rigs.. It even can play the campaigns as well..

The object would be a compromise, but not at the expense of chopping the mod to pieces so EVERYONE can play, because again youi cant please everyone all the time.. Not everyone can play Crysis either.

I do do 1v1's. But I also like to play 1v1's on 2v2 maps. Playing 3v3's and 4v4's is just too much (which sucks because I have great 3v3 maps I'd like to try with N44).

But what if I want to play with a friend? What if I want to do a 2v2 with him, but I can't because I/we don't have the memory to feed the damn skins I/we don't even get to see as it SHOULD be? It's boring to play alone, if you didn't know.

If they don't cost much, would you like to buy it for everyone that needs it then? It'd be better to build a new computer than to upgrade the old one I have right now (2 GB, 1.99GHz dual processor and a 9800 GT card) and I don't have the money to do that.

Also, I DO play Blitz. And I love it. And, if Blitz had the sounds and AI N44 does, I wouldn't play this mod as much. Alas, it doesn't, so I play N44.

I believe you'd have more people playing this mod if it didn't require people to "nut up and buy the computer parts" to play the FREE mod effectively.

[georider]

I bet that there are ppl like me, who just can't play this game with lower graphics, simply because it's ugly down there.
That's the only reason why I don't have this mod already. Why add tons of skins, when most ppl can't see their full beauty?

DO you believe that YOURS skins will look better in low details? because when i lower the details in N44 I can barely watch the 1st polish Armor Divison Tanks ,and you already know who are made these !
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I'm going to make this suggestion once more use 64 bits OS instead a 32 bits , 64 bits are more stable . If you are not vista or 7 fun like me use XP 64 and you will see the difference and if you want to lower something don't lower texture details but effects. Use this combination and you wont have problems with CTD.

[sweeten2213]

One other things I want to note :

From the old thread :

From Sweeten :

I mentioned to SIg some of the things I wanted to add. He mentioned, due to complaining here, he still wants to try and reduce things to avoid performance issues.

I personally would love to add a bunch more stuff.

So - since the complaints came from here, I need to know.

Should we add more stuff, meaning you mat still have to play on lower settings on big games or slower computers, or would you rather we not?

Please be honest, but I need answers to know where we're going.

Replys -

I say add everything you wish. If you trully believe it will make the N44 experience greater then please do so.

I agree with []inveigle[]. " Be all you can be" as the saying goes. I never really notice performance issues. If you don't get greedy with your comp, N'44 runs smooth.

I agree, add everything you wish! I have a performance issue with this mod, lag issues etc. But I don't care! Add more things!

Add anything that is historically correct. More stuff the better.

I agree with the other lads, add as much as possible for the engine to handle!!! I dont mind turning down the performance settings if need be. Thats what I love about this mod is the sheer variety!!! . . . oh & the realism of course

GG+1 to ACE

Firstly I agree with the majority of add all you can add!!!

From the time i have installed the mod i only play your MOD(2-3 Hrs a Day), Personally i would like to see new units even at the cost of lower setup .I am a defensive player -So its only my personal opinion.

Those are a snipet off what I received when mentioning growing the mod at the expense of performance. As you can see it was democratic And, again, I cut out a lot of the variety (i.e. a lot of squads used to have several skins in them just for variety - I changed it to only the skins necsessary for rank.

[Goregasm]

I had a rare occasion to actually PLAY a game the game the other day. 3v3 - me as Wehr with 1 hard wehr ally and 1 hard PE ally vs. 1 hard US enemy, 1 hard Brit enemy, and 1 normal US enemy - all on Ultra. I have to say - and I understand many couldn't play in that situation - it was breathtaking and amazing! It's what I want the mod to be.

That's great. Really.

But how many of your fans/followers/players can actually experience that right now? How many can experience what you truely want the mod to be?

[sweeten2213]

I understand what you're saying - I really do.

But what do you suggest I do? Isn't one of the strengths of the mod our diversity? Would you rather me include divisions but have the wrong markings or no markings at all?

Let me try to go with the US Infantry skins since I think I can do them off the top of my head (I'm at work).

Building Engineers
29th ID
1st ID
30th ID
113 Recon Infantry
2nd Rangers
2n ID
101st AB
82nd AB
UK 6th AB
17th AB
2nd Armored Div
2nd FF inf (both regular end engis)
702 td Inf
Skins for combat engis for several of those divisions

And of course those need ranks, some of which more than others (i.e. some only need private and Sgt, some also need Lt and Cpt).

The fact that we have all those divisions and our subdoctrines is out hallmark.

Honestly - what am I supposed to do? I have no "extra skins" other than what is needed to represent those divisions and the proper ranks.

Same goes for vehicles - do you want me to use the same sherman for each division that has one, for example?

Another thing I considered is this - this mod will me here as long as people want to play it. The mod will expand. Systems will improve - over time, the specs needed will remain the same (as they are about as rough on RAM as they are going to get - even with expansion). Do I make the mod for the "average" system now, or the "average" system a year or two from now?

And again - look at the replies from the previous thread - I asked and this is what people wanted. Variety of divisions/tactics/experience is what people wanted - I gave it to them

[citizensoldier]

Seriously Gore, I have from what it looks like, a very similar system than yours, I can see your point, but there are alot of people that can play this mod, and play it well. Im not one of them! I said I crash frequently, mostly because I bite off more than I can chew settings wise- It doesnt bother me any- I adjust and try again.. Ive seen the mod develop from it's infancy, and Im amazed at what it's become- Again, everyone doesn't have an uber rig- And I think what Sweeten was getting at was what he went and purchaced shows the mod in all its glory, I know he wasn't "Rubbing it in", He just was saying the specs of what it takes to get to the "ULTRA" zone as a bench mark..

For clairification' sake:

That being said, I'm not a wealthy man. Three kids, two with special needs, house, car, blah, blah.. A decent computer upgrade (some RAM, maybe a jump to a new OS, or a new Video card) doesn't really cost that much nowadays. One just has to nut up and buy some hardware to get desired effects..

I didn't mean this directly to YOU- I was saying it Hypothetically. I Definatly cannot afford an upgrade at this time- But it is something for like say, tax time to go out and buy an upgrade to get the mod to run in all its glory. Until then, I compromise, because the mod and what it stands for, what it teaches, and how much I love it is all the reason I need.. Im sorry you dont feel that way.

[BattleBrotherMo]

has anyone else noticed that the ai uses artillery alot now?

[georider]

I agree ,Besides I want to hear,from those who are asking again and again, their point of view if this was a new relic's add on or this was a new add one?
Why you don't protest about something like this? If you are a PES Fun do you like to play PES 10 with the graphic detail of 2000?
Who knows what else we will see ,with the technological development perhaps we will see in the near future games that you ,and I mean YOU the user , that playing on-line in WW2 battles and feel that they fight in real .Like movies as Surrogates ,Gamer ,avatar . What are you going to say then , why this is not develop for my one decade ago PC?

[Goregasm]

But what do you suggest I do? Isn't one of the strengths of the mod our diversity? Would you rather me include divisions but have the wrong markings or no markings at all?

Don't let diversity get in the way of gameplay.

Is it just possible that the people from the old thread are the vocal minority? I'm sure there are a lot more people in the CoH community that'd love to play this mod (which really Sweeten, it's fun. I love it.) but can't because they don't have the computer to play it as well. I enjoy the gameplay and the battles, but when it gets heavy and I begin to lag badly, I have to open the Tactical Map so it doesn't lag as much or I have to quit the game all together.

I'm not a modder or a skinner, and I'm sure it may be difficult, but isn't there some way you could make a seperate version that doesn't demand as much? For people with low end computers? That way everyone can have their cake and eat it too. I'd help by any means if it means this could be accomplished. And I'm sure a lot of people would thank you for it.

It isn't nor should it be game-breaking if a Sherman from one Division has the same skin as the other. I, and others, care about actually being ABLE to play the game. I like hearing the gun and cannon fire and watching my infantry/tanks engage the enemy without my screen going from one side of the map to the other with 5 FPS. If someone refuses to play the mod because the units look the same, then they arn't seeing what makes the mod truely fun.

Your mod is amazing and it's the most realistic I've seen; I feel as if I AM there. But the lag makes it less-enjoyable.

[GnigruG]

Honestly - what am I supposed to do? I have no "extra skins" other than what is needed to represent those divisions and the proper ranks.

Wouldn't it be possible to have one base skin for each vehicle and just use different custom tc files for different units? That would help A LOT with performance, but I'm not into modding that much, so I don't know if it's possible to edit for example places where the tc insignias appear on a vehicle and use few self-made tc files on one entity.
Yeah, the camo would be one, but allied stuff is mostly plain anyway.

DO you believe that YOURS skins will look better in low details? because when i lower the details in N44 I can barely watch the 1st polish Armor Divison Tanks ,and you already know who are made these !

My comment didn't refer to skins of any particular author, I was talking about ALL of them, so I really don't understand your response.

I also stated on the 1st page of my thread that my skins are not made for low graphics and they'll look shitty in it. Like all other.

Besides, YOU're in charge of this mod's 'skinning department', so if my stuffs don't suit you and their quality is too low, why they're still in? Replace them.

[citizensoldier]

Last thing, last post... I said it before, Sweeten had said it before, many have been along for the ride.. The true fact here is YOU are the vocal minority to be perfectly honest- I can't speak for everyone but I know when I go to the store and see a new game out, I read the specs.. Up until a few months ago, before a gracious person donated a Video Card to me, I couldn't play a single game that was "New". If you want that sorta thing, buy a console- that way you know every game is going to run properly.. With PC you might have to buy the compatability to run the new games.. In N44 we enhanced everything with balance to gameplay in mind, but to be painstakinly accurate to paint the picture of The War in Normandy.. That's why I suggested Blitzkrieg- It has all of what I think you are looking for in a mod....

[Goregasm]

Last thing, last post... I said it before, Sweeten had said it before, many have been along for the ride.. The true fact here is YOU are the vocal minority to be perfectly honest- I can't speak for everyone but I know when I go to the store and see a new game out, I read the specs.. Up until a few months ago, before a gracious person donated a Video Card to me, I couldn't play a single game that was "New". If you want that sorta thing, buy a console- that way you know every game is going to run properly.. With PC you might have to buy the compatability to run the new games.. In N44 we enhanced everything with balance to gameplay in mind, but to be painstakinly accurate to paint the picture of The War in Normandy.. That's why I suggested Blitzkrieg- It has all of what I think you are looking for in a mod....

Lol. I'm not sure what to say. If you read my comment, I told you that I DO play Blitz. But I don't enjoy it as much as N44. Why? Because N44 is more realistic AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SKINS I can't even view properly. The AI is great, and the sound (big part) is fantastic. The gameplay is amazing too. The call-ins are realistic and it adds to the fun. THAT is what makes N44 fun. THAT is what makes N44 realistic (to me anyways). Skins arn't really apart of it. I'll look at my Tiger while he's going to the front, but once he's there, I see nothing but LAG! And that isn't fun at all.

[sweeten2213]

@ Gore - it would be rather difficult to do that (make a lesser version that is). I would basically have to reedit 75% of the mod. I have to agree with CS that the voices heard and mentioned would be the majority - not the minority. And I do understand that you are neither attacking the mod nor me. I take no offense. One of our other hallmarks is accuracy - and accurate skins are a part of that. I will continue to listen to responses and I will consider all options. As far as diversity getting in the way of gameplay (and this also goes along with the point that if we had all the same sherman etc...), my view is this - I would rather have people lower settings if need be as IMHO the diversity IS the gamplay for us. It is the diversity that makes us unique in terms of gameplay.

@ GG - it's the amount of apb files that need to be loaded in that casue the issues - not so much the quality or the amount of diff files. Each new skin, whether it be a different camo skin or just an insignia (which we have often used same camo/different insignias), still needs a new abp file.
As far as the quality being lowered due to the amount of skins, it is true that all will suffer by definition by lowering settings. Obviously GEO took offense by a negative comment about our skins - most of which are his and are of very high quality. I'm sure you can understand how it can be taken that way, especially as hard as Geo has worked for us, and I'm sure you may feel simliarly affected if it were a mod that you were mostly responsible . Though I understand your point was to say that all the skins will suffer at low settings, it may have been unclear as to that being the case. And please - no fighting here

Edit - @ Gore - you also have to understand that I receive a lot of comments - my inbox is often full and the thread often replied on. I'm glad you enjoy our gameplay - I appreciate that. But, I do receive just as many comments on out variety and quality of skins as I do gameplay. I try to satisfy both types. I've even had people tell me that they often just pause the game frequently just to zoom in and view the skins. So our art is a big part of the mod - just as important as gamplay. I've tried to make both a high quality and realistic as possible. And, as you stated, we try and be realistic as far as gameplay - we try and be equally realistic as far as skins - equally.

There are many, many things that go on behind the scenes that you guys never see that is discussed between team members. There are units dropped, skins changed, etc just because they aren't quite realistic enough (i.e. you'll notice the Jad IV was dropped from the 21.PzD after learning they did not have them as I first thought). We take the realism to extremes - no doubt - but both gameplay, sounds and skins are all treated equally to properly reflect the battles and honor those that were there (which includes members of my family)

Also, you didn't even BUY your video card if someone gave it to you. So where do you get off telling people to nut up and go buy the parts that arn't apparently expensive to you?

Also - please don't attack people on my team in my thread. I know CS very well - he is a true friend and a good guy. He understands that new parts are expensive - he even made a point to say so.

[Goregasm]

@ Gore - it would be rather difficult to do that (make a lesser version that is). I would basically have to reedit 75% of the mod. I have to agree with CS that the voices heard and mentioned would be the majority - not the minority. And I do understand that you are neither attacking the mod nor me. I take no offense. One of our other hallmarks is accuracy - and accurate skins are a part of that. I will continue to listen to responses and I will consider all options. As far as diversity getting in the way of gameplay (and this also goes along with the point that if we had all the same sherman etc...), my view is this - I would rather have people lower settings if need be as IMHO the diversity IS the gamplay for us. It is the diversity that makes us unique in terms of gameplay.

Would it? I see..well, not much I could do then. I don't mean to rage or anything, it just sucks not being able to play good 3v3 games like you have lol. Playing it alone because of this isn't all that great either. I'll just wait then, see the rigs other people have and make the right upgrades so the game will be more enjoyable.

@ Gore - you also have to understand that I receive a lot of comments - my inbox is often full and the thread often replied on. I'm glad you enjoy our gameplay - I appreciate that. But, I do receive just as many comments on out variety and quality of skins as I do gameplay. I try to satisfy both types. I've even had people tell me that they often just pause the game frequently just to zoom in and view the skins. So our art is a big part of the mod - just as important as gamplay. I've tried to make both a high quality and realistic as possible. And, as you stated, we try and be realistic as far as gameplay - we try and be equally realistic as far as skins - equally.

I understand. And the skins do look good, to an extent in the lowest settings. I've tried to look at them in medium but it lags too much =/

Also - please don't attack people on my team in my thread. I know CS very well - he is a true friend and a good guy. He understands that new parts are expensive - he even made a point to say so.

Edited it out.

[sweeten2213]

I'll just wait then, see the rigs other people have and make the right upgrades to the game will be more enjoyable.

The easiest upgrade to make and it will make major difference is to get Win 7 X64 bit (X64 bit being the key). From there, but a gig or two of RAM. I Promise you it will make a HUGE difference.

Edited it out.

Thank you - if you knew CS, you would love him. He's a great guy

[Goregasm]

The easiest upgrade to make and it will make major difference is to get Win 7 X64 bit (X64 bit being the key). From there, but a gig or two of RAM. I Promise you it will make a HUGE difference.

Alright, I'll give that a shot. Thanks

Thank you - if you knew CS, you would love him. He's a great guy

Heh. I'm sure.

[vonmonkey]

Let me just say that i also had graphic issues until i bought a new rig just for this MOD. And i'm sooooo happy i did. This is the way this mod is supposed to be. Historically accurate. I worked my Butt off on overtime for this and it was well worth it. So much talent and so much hard work put into this. This is a Fucking Masterpiece!!!

[georider]

The "tc" decals issue is that relic make a rgm file that's called _TC and it contains the decals.this decals is placed in some parts of the Armor that is total unrealistic . Even though someone can found the proper place ( from the allowed ones) and add a decal ,but still this decal will take players color . With alpha channel the tc we get rid from the annoyed US stars/German crosses "red" /"green" etc etc. I think the ones that prefered the _tc's are few in our community .
Also I like to clear something for the misunderstandings , I'm not the Head leader or the one who is choosing anything about skins , We are a Team with some rules. We have a team leader like every mod and we have members . All together in Bss dev forums we make the plans for the thinks that we mast made or fix. So I 'm not the one who is picking .We decide all together ,the skinners and the leader.
Besides we used to be 3 and the best of us is not among us anymore , I will give anything to have him along , but life is strange and all he have a cruel fate . So this is a mod a game and nothing will change it , as good or bad it is as low or ulta graphics it is using .
TO NOT HAVE OUR FRIEND SCRUFF changes many thinks for us ,for me for anyone , I wish this mod ,this game, can use only his work ,and be here with us .
I dedicate my work to him only , RIP Christian.

[sweeten2213]

As I've said before, Geo was obviously upset before sensing an attack. Though it may not have been, given recent events, it is understandable that emotions run high. Geo was very close to Christian - even closer than I - and I know how he is feeling right now as I know him VERY personally. I will defend my team and even more so my friends - that will always be the case. This appears to be a misunderstanding. And we are a team - and I know I am proud of my team - in my eyes they are the best

Let's drop it there

Bowkers - if you don't mind I'm going to send you a (friendly ) PM.

[sweeten2213]

A couple of "don't forget about" things :

Remember out XFire Community Group where yoy can chat with other N44 : ET players and more importantly set up online games : http://www.xfire.com/communities/normandy1944/

Also, don't forget about checking out our home page - therewasatime is doing a nice job with it and if you keep an eye on it you'll see we add detailed descriptions of all the units and a little history : http://atlanticwallmilitaria.com/Nor...744/index.html

[Twitchy]

Man, I just woke up and read all of that debate. Yeah, It does really blow when you love something and you can't see it in its full glory.

Then again, I haven't found any other good WW2 RTS game that gives me what I want in one package. Which is this:

Realistic Combat
Diversity in Units/Divisions
Custom Maps
Looks nice

Normandy 44 DOES possess all of that, and with my little savings pile of change really starting to amount to something (Course, I STILL have to sort all of the money into those stupid plastic holders. Ugh) I think i'll have an extra couple hundred dollars to spend on a new OS.

I think the thing im going to really hate about switching OS is the fact that I'll lose everything, (Which has happend before, Crashes anyone? >_<) But Fallout 3 with over 50mods crammed into it, thats ALOT of individual stuff to download.

However, If it'll make N44 run faster, It'll be worth it in the long run for me.

Also, would it help out the speed of my other games aswell? at this very moment I have 6.5GBs of RAM. (I managed to find some more RAM on sale, and picked them up)

[sweeten2213]

With 6.5 Gigs of RAM and a x64 bit OS, yes, it will help other games as well. And if I remember correctly you have a kick butt Video Card. You'll have a SWEET set up at that point since you'll be able to use all 6.5 Gigs. Heck - I only have 9 Gigs and thats probably overkill

[Emrick09]

Hello!

My girlfriend and I played a multiplayer against 2 easy computer opponents. She was playing:

Wehrmacht

709.Infanterie Division, 795.Osttruppen Battalion.

She made 2x 88mm and two flakverling at her home base. They where well placed...

Then the allied started sending planes. She was never able to counter the planes and the planes destroyed all of her base even with the firepower.

She was really mad! the planes where always attacking and she never could counter them The attacking planes were relentless, and air defence didn't work!

What can we do in this situations?

Is this normal?

Wehrmacht

709.Infanterie Division, 795.Osttruppen Battalion. is pretty weak...

Thank you for your reply

Eric

[Freewar]

Emrick, there is a simple solution to your plane problem: Run and run as fast as you can!

[Ultim]

In my N44 experience I've notice a few things that would validate what Sweeten is saying about operating systems and memory.

My specs:

Vista HP x64
Intel core 2 6400 @ 2.13GHz
4 gigs ram
250 gigs of hard drive space
Geforce 8800 GTS 640mb of memory

Shader, Model Quality and texture detail on high. Everything else besides Rain Detail, AA and shadows is set to Med or on. AA is set to off and shadows are low. With these settings I can play 3 vs 3 with a noticeable lag. No enough to bother me though. 4vs4 I have to set everything to low besides the first three.

Never had the MOD crash on me yet.

My father has Win 7 x64, 4 gigs of memory and duel Geforce 9800 graphics cards. He can play a 4 vs 4 with the settings I use for 3 vs 3 matches. The MOD has never crashed for him.

My uncle and brother are both using Win 7 x32 with 2gigs and 4gigs of memory respectively. My uncle has a four year old graphics card (not sure with one) and my brother has duel Geforce 8800 GTS cards. They set graphics to low for everything and their games will still crash often in 3 vs 3 games. 2vs2 usually run well for them.

Just what I've noticed from my playing experience...

[LloydyBoy]

i always thought there was a problem with the AA defences, now and again my WirbleWinds and Ostwinds dont even fire on the planes, they just turn there turret in the direction of the plane b4 it appears on screen then the turret would turn back to its default position facing forward and the plane would fly over dropping its payload

i never told any 1 about it cos i thought it was a COH bug not a N44 bug, and it mostly happens when theres a load of planes going for same area,

[Thiky83]

What you say to this?
Aufkläerungspanzer 38(t) (SdKfz 140/1) Reconnaissance Vehicle
Armament: 2cm KwK38 gun with MG34 - (suspended mount)
Used in West and East. Produced in February/March 1944.


http://ostpanzer.asty.ru/topics/spec...8(t)/i/002.jpg
http://ostpanzer.asty.ru/topics/spec...8(t)/i/003.jpg
An example user the 116th Panzer Division - 1944 West front
http://panzermania.com/Galerie/Aufkl.../slides/1z.JPG

[Moto24]

Update is great, it's a alot tougher with the FOW for my M7's now. Now this would be fine but I find most maps that have bottlenecks very difficult to get any decent recon. I like to use the 2nd FFAD, but they don't have air recon. What would be cool is if there was a SAS unit that could cross rivers on rafts and become forward observers. I just find unless your playing on a small map M7's aren't very effective. I tried using the recon jeep but it can't see far enough to make it a decent forward observer.

Also the cool down time on arty seems odd, it took along time for my arty but the cpu had fast turn around. I was trying to repair a bridge and it seemed like cpu took 30 sec. or less between arty strikes.

One last thing, does the rally point not work? I tried creating a rally point at my forward HQ and it never seems to work.

Great work, love this mod!

[georider]

@Thiky83 yes we are saw this as long as 20 new german tanks, but we must try to finished first all th necessary ones . I think Panzer III or Stug III is more importand than this.

[sweeten2213]

Not a lot of time right now as I'm running out the door, but...

I wanted to thank you for nominating us in the top 100 mods of the year!! It is greatly appreciated.

Now, if you REALLY feel that we are top notch, you can head on over to our ModDB site http://www.moddb.com/mods/normandy-1...opean-theater1 and follow the quick link to vote for us for mod of the year (just click on "vote top 100 of 2009 now", open up the CoH games, and pace a vote for us)

I also want to congratulate Blitz for making it into the top 100 and EF and Zombie for making it into the top 100 upcoming!

[tskross]

Good Luck Sweeten and the rest of the team you got my vote!

[georider]

Yes Good luck to all but sometimes I can't understand how all these are making ,I mean BotB is also great why mod DB did not add this also , or modern combat to the future mods ???? this is a big question mark .

[eliw00d]

@Thiky83 yes we are saw this as long as 20 new german tanks, but we must try to finished first all th necessary ones . I think Panzer III or Stug III is more importand than this.

Ah, Panzer III M and N would be great, as well as a real, proper, StuH42.

[Thiky83]

@Georider: Ok, don't make now, just don't forget the good ideas.
Anyway i like the Pz.III , but you know too, not used in 1944 in France.
I believe, you not make for this mod.

@Sweeten: I vote for N44!!! Good luck!