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Eldar campaign and Ork campaign?? Another expansion for SM campaign?? I though it was Chaos campaign, nor SM campaign with Chaos like enemies. I'm tired of using the same 4 units all time (only change Cyrus by Dreadnough in Defend missions).
I'm not ranting on about the expansion, sorry if it looks. All expansions are welcome but I though that Relic were developing the others campaigns for Eldar and Orks.
MP ok, with a new race and new units, of course.
Last edited by EthSolitaire; 21st Sep 09 at 6:21 AM.
I like Chaos, but man, I was really hoping for an Ork or Eldar campaign.
Same puddy, i want ork and eldar campaigns, and ig. Still liking chaos, but what about the other factions
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Well, they havent explicitly said that they aren't doing Ork and Eldar campaigns, it would just be unlikely while they have this in the works. It's possible that with all the effort put into getting balance issues sorted, introducing the new maps and game tweaks, and introducing the new last stand mode, they simply havent had the man power to do a campaign, or at least finish one.All expansions are welcome but I though that Relic were developing the others campaigns for Eldar and Orks.
Afterall, if they released a campaign for orcs or eldar while there were still glaring imbalances in MP they would have lost alot more players than they have.
As it stands though- controlling your Blood ravens and having the choice to turn them against their own chapter for the promise of epic Chaos tainted gear is just great in my eyes. The vanilla campaign was too dry on the character front. Lots of boring background chat and grumbling from the space marines. Here though it sounds as if they change and adapt while you play through, and you personally have a hand in this. What's not to like?
With last stand on its way, Chaos Rising on the horizon, and potential new patches between now and then, I can last a little longer in waiting for the other races to get a campaign.
Originally Posted by Worf
You know, I would tell you lot to get a life. Except that would be quite some hypocrisy coming from a gaming board administrator.
Kevin Kraff, vice president of global brand management, THQ:
“Relic’s passion for the Warhammer 40,000 universe and talent in crafting innovative RTS games will ensure Chaos Rising is an engaging experience that will advance the franchise and genre.”said Jonathan Dowdeswell, general manager, Relic Entertainment.“Dawn of War II took intimate brutality to another level and introduced RPG-RTS hybrid gameplay,”
“The epic struggle between Space Marines and the forces of Chaos lets us take those two game-play elements and create an even more intense experience – this time, the battle is personal.”
Ork and Eldar campaigns were flouted as DLC when mentioned weren't they?
So an expansion doesn't mean they aren't coming.
In-fact they'll probably release them to keep us enthralled midway through the wait for CR.
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I'm not surprised. Anything within three feet of you seems to end up full of knife shaped holes.
Chaos rising is anew campaign -.- so they had enough man power for that? but not Eldar campaign fighting chaos..
Oh well as long i get to turn my boys evil i will enjoy it.
My SM fanboy heart is happy hearing there is going to be a SM campaing*, probably again with multiple endings, I hope the one you got in DoW2 has an effect on CR like Mass Effect 1 -> Mass Effect 2, so if you got the "tyranids compleatly destroyed" ending they won't bother you as much as if you got the "they just splintered" ending
*althrough having a chaos one would be nice too
edit:
"you return to sub sector Aurelia where a long lost frozen ice planet has reappeared from the Warp, bringing with it new secrets to uncover and foes to face."
wuhu ice maps!
am I safe to assume there will be stuff on the old planets to do?
Gaius Baltar in S04E16 nBSG: "and guns ! more guns ! BIGGER GUNS ! BETTER GUNS ! AND WHEN WE HAVE THOSE, WE WILL WIN !"
They better make new maps for the single player. I didn't mind reusing maps in single player, but if they were to use the same planets and the same maps we had with vanilla dow 2, that would be just cheap.
Yeah, but Chaos Rising is a bigger thing by the looks of it. They will be charging quite alot for this expansion I'm guessing (like what you paid for the DoW2 box) so for THQ it's a no-brainer: spend time on doing a campaign that not everyone will download (people who only play MP wont do the campaigns, and there would be unlikely any new units with a campaign DLC) or spend time on a boxed expansion that will improve MP, and campaign, and can be charged more for, and who everyone will be interested in buying.Chaos rising is anew campaign -.- so they had enough man power for that?
It's all about pleasing the biggest markets first. Besides, as has already been mentioned, there is an outside chance that we could get a DLC campaign or two anyway.
As for Eldar vs Chaos- well it's interesting in fluff history Terms, but Relic has ALOT more flexibility when it comes to their Blood Ravens. Ulthwe and the Alpha Legion are bound by fluff in some respects- but the Blood Ravens are shrouded in mystery... deliberately. This is precisely because they are being set up to be ripe for Chaos Taint by Relic. Seeking Knowledge for Power? Having a large number of Psychers (read as Mutants) having a questionable background to their chapter? Having released a frickin huge Chaos entity depsite being warned against it? Having a mistrust of other chapters and the Imperial Guard? It adds up.
I'd say if it came to a choice for most people to play the Blood Ravens vs Chaos or any other faction vs Chaos in DoW2, the marines would probably win.
So, will Relic make the campaign decent this time?
There are four infantry squad slots and the "Dreadnought" slot. Will they add "Predator" and "Land Speeder" ones, so the missions can be much more varied?
If they're going to once again copy& paste the same mission structure over and over and over, then they can kiss me where sun doesn't shine.
They've reskinned Space Marines (Chaos) and did not even add a new race. Where are Necrons? Tau? So far, the expansion sounds like a lame attempt to make people fork out money for it.
Yeah, they skipped the most simple stage of character creation, making the low-res geometry template for details to be added on top of, how lazy of them. Also you might have missed it, but they are adding a new race, it's called chaos...They've reskinned Space Marines (Chaos) and did not even add a new race.
Don't forget the new level cap, new corruption mechanic and new tileset.
Oh wait you did.
However I do agree there better be some more mission and map variety.
I don't agree on landspeeders though, the pathing would be fail. Not to metion the RPG method being applied to a speeder would be rubbish.
well good think you have such a deep insight into the creation process of a new race in DoW2They've reskinned Space Marines (Chaos) and did not even add a new race
Bear in mind you're going to have to have Chaos equivalents of Space Marine units as they are the same bar their religious views basically. So if you simply dislike the idea of having CSM in a game along with SM you're playing the wrong game.
“The epic struggle between Space Marines and the forces of Chaos lets us take those two game-play elements and create an even more intense experience – this time, the battle is personal.”
I'm unhappy. I don't want to have anything to do with loyalist SM inside the new camapaign apart from slaughtering them by the hundreth as real chaos marines should. Alas GW's marine fetish preveils again...
Atleast i hope Relic takes a hint and change the generic faceless squadmates because that killed the whole caring for your men thing there and then.
*Sigh*Originally Posted by Phaid
Another sad case of "bash first, check properly later".
We know there's several new daemon unitsin (mind you we only have 4 confirmed units), we know there's a new level cap in, we know there's a new planet and set of tiles in, we know there's new units for the OTHER races in, we know there's a mash of new wargear in, we know there's a new corruption system in, we know there's more choices in and more than that. That's with... what, THREE days' worth of information?
People these days.....
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Well i'm hopiing libby makes it in, please god let libby be in. They said they was going to do something for libby but where is he, he's not even in teh commander list in mp. So i'm hoping since chaos have all four chaos gods prolly a god per each hero. Then Well everybody get a 4th hero, hopefully Libby comes in.
But hope..."hope leads to a road of disappointment" ......damn
rezeil. libby is obviously in.
so cool it.
and to the few who are complaining chaos is reskinned sm. cry more. please. your tears sustain me.
Did you guys see the box art, i saw it a few mins ago, and i think i soiled myself *checks*, yep i have
*puppies*
LoL, Deaf mute moderators don't tolerate trolling, ;p so cool it on that.
Also, how do you know libby obvioulsy in?
What can we expect coming expansion? the same crybabies that wants dow 2 to be dow 1 with updated grahics will whine again since their wetfantasy is again crushed. The same people that fail at playing dow 2 will fail in dow 2 expansion. The people who enjoy the gameplay like myself rejoice!!! finally my race will make a entrance to the game! and i can't be more psyched about it if i tried!!!About the campaign, after reading some news *unfomfirmed* we will get more structured scripted maps, and a wider variety of the defend map system. Even I think it was abit stale format. But I do like the wargear idea and I like to collect wargear so it's all good.
Just a pointer to troubleshooter, I doubt you have to play teh campaign again since they said you can start from expansion and new wargear will have higher lvl so I think you will replace the old pretty fast anyway.Only issue I have so far is that I had hoped for defiler, or other warengines. To just have a corrupted predator is abit fail. Atleast make the wepon mount diffrent.
And about nids in current build and the falk they been taking. Come on bro, seriously the models look great. Not sure what system your playing it on but I find no flaw in how nids look or feel in the game. You can make them swarmy or as elite as you want. do horma mass and just see how crazy that looks... That said the yneed to tweak it somewhat. But we see more nid units are incoming so we see how they will get that done.
I wonder what budget this expansion has since they are adding not only a race but addded unit's to the old races and some even say IG. I do hope they don't introduce IG yet since I rather have their budget placed in making the old race's and the new work well balancewise togheter. I do love my IG... But come on if we are not getting a IG campaign what's the point. I rather have a good expansion introducing chaos in all it's glory then a semi good one with two race's that has lack of voice and syncs due to budget restraints...
Also I do hope they tweak some of the physics and looks on the artistics but I know that's to much to ask since it would swallow like 99% of the budget :/ But heyy you can dream can't you.
Anyway I'm really happy at this news... Sadly I will NEVER corrupt my BR since for me that would let dear old gabriel down
Yup, I'm normally fanboi allergic, but seeing people here actually accusing Relic, a bussíness company, of wanting to *gasp* make money, or of the fact that CSM are similar to loyalist SM is most amusing.
I love everything we know about Chaos Rising so far, save the SM campaign again.
Chaos...is the only true answer.
"All power demands sacrifice" - Sindri Myr
I'm really hoping we get a Great Unclean One as a greater demon. I'd love to see that thing lumbering around the battlefield. Unlikely, but hopeful
This may be true, but the "new" squads may have their points allocated all wrong. Let's say you played with a ranged Force Commander and he starts as a melee beast in CR. And some of the blue level 19-20 gear has impressive stats, I doubt there will be many Heavy Bolters that just keep on giving. Of course, old gear will eventually be outclassed, but before something better drops you can have fun with the "old" stuff.
I hope all of your heroes will start with their points unallocated so you could tailor them to your needs, but I doubt it. The trees are getting expanded and there will probably be some insane stuff toward the end of each path. If your Marines started with free points, you could simply pour every point into a specific tree, making your team godly from the start.
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SM Campaign again ?
>.>
When will Relic learn to read threads more carefully ?
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SM campaign is better than previous METAL BOXES Alpha Legion campaign.
I think trying to build on the BR established fluff and continue their story is way more awesome than making a random campaign for every race introduced (a la DoW 1).
Campaigns for the other races should be added as DLC, as Relic mentioned that the other race's campaigns would only retell the story from their point of view (at least for Orks and Eldar).
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http://www.dawnofwar2.com/us/media/s...e/chaos_rising
Gah, that dreadnought head is ugly! But the rest looks incredibly good.
Yes! The evil chaos bolters from firewarrior are back! And those green guys look like plague marines
the demon at the top banner , hmm what is that ?
A bloodletter. Demon of Khorne.
I wonder why Games Workshop went back to what I personally consider to be the ugliest version of the bloodletters. Last edition bloodletters were so much more awesome than these annorexia patients.
Rezail. how do i know libby is in?
well relic is quoted to have said 'we've big plans for the libby'
blood ravens are a psyker heavy chapter yet we saw nothing of them in DoW2 against the nids.
and as we know. chaos is having its sorcs come out to play. which means, undoubtadly. libs are most certainly in this expansion as a commander choice. trust me. alot of others agree.
and if there is new units being added. I pray for sternguard for SM.
Nice.. tho.. all i see so far are re-textured devastators,marines dreadnought and predator. I'm really looking forward to something to show something more ...chaotic..
like, hm, what is that demon from dow page background ? :P
(edit: heh, a question already asked and answered to
Per aspera ad astra
I would have much preferred the Defiler over the Chaos Dreadnought
Mayhaps they'll pull a ToV on that regard... One of these days.
Still, great pics. I like the look of the chaos bolters.
is that Plague Marines behind the Chaos Space Marine Predator
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Chaos people look alot better than regular people. Their armor looks all pimped up with sexyness.
Also, sexy sexy Daemon, even though it's Khorneish.
And yeah, those must be some Plague Marines, their left shoulder pad has their emblem (those 3 dots/eggs thing). You can see it clearly when checked the high ress screenshot.
:o
Listen to the music on the DoW2 site.
Is that the Chaos theme?
Edit: also, where are you people seeing this daemon? >.>
Kharrak, when you go to the picture site, he's on the top where those shooting SM are with FC and a red blood letter.
EDIT: Yea, the music seems mean and chaotish, awesome
Bloodletter on the masthead.
Ooh, snow tile-set. Nice.
Ooooh, I see him! It's the Bloodcrusher! (or, the top half of the Bloodcrusher)
Relic please fix the Chaos Dreadnaught head plzkthx.
We got Nurgle peeps and some Khorne daemons... now where's my Noise Marines!?
Out of interest, what do you dislike about the Chaos Dread head? It's rather fitting since that's how many 40k art pieces have illustrated Chaos Dreads.
Alright. Ass naked Bloodletter.
Did we REALLY needed to see this Relic?
The dread-head should be smaller, IMO, the top is BIG. It looks like he has a really big brain or a very low brow. Much like a neanderthal, actually. But it could just be the camera angle though.
Agreed!Maybe the naked bloodletter is a precursor for OTHER naked daemons, if you know what I mean
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Chaos Devs, they're Nurgle.
Ahhh i cant take it anymore , i need to see what chaos units are in store and what new units are available ;O if i wait a few months i will die of excitement =P
Man I did it again, I really wish it would ask for confirmation before deleting a post, I keep hitting it when I go to edit my post XD
Oops, deleted my post
Maybe the naked bloodletter is a precursor for OTHER naked daemons, if you know what I mean
Edit: I agree the dread head should be changed, maybe push it in a little and instead of the totally horizontal eye slits, make them more diagonal? Or maybe the detailing on the top part of the slits should be shinier, so it's more noticeable.
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