It's Official: Dawn of War 2 Expansion - Chaos Rising

[Buguba]

Alright. Ass naked Bloodletter.

Did we REALLY needed to see this Relic?

All bloodletters are that naked...

To be honest as well, it's an M rated game. People explode into showers of fleshy bits and bloody mist. I don't see why violence is any less extreme than sexuality. I think in this case it's hard pressed to be called "extreme" in terms of sexuality anyway. Bloodletters are obviously male, and we're not exactly looking at genitalia. Females hold much more sexual prominence in the media, and typically butts aren't exactly the end all of extreme sexuality.

[stranger]

I don't know what you people want with the head... It's perfectly normal for a chaos dreadnought. Or even on the small size compared to the forgeworld models...

[GrimDark]

Known Chaos units so far:
-Chaos Lord
-Chaos Sorcerer
-Chaos Space Marines
-Plague Marines
-Chaos Heavy Bolter Squad
-Chaos Predator (autocannon, heavy bolter sponsons)
-Chaos Dreadnought (CCW and a missile launcher)
-Chaos Terminators
-Bloodcrusher of Khorne

Not many left to reveal now.

[Ifitmovesnukeit]

So with a distinct sense of déjà vu setting in, I present a link to what does indeed appear to be DoW2's Chaos theme on the DoW2 site:

http://thqinc.cachefly.net/dow2/cr/m...os_cmixall.mp3

[FooF]

New site with screenies is cool. The detail on the CSM is pretty impressive, on par with the high-end SM armors in the campaign/rank unlocks.

I also notice they're trying to differentiate the Bolter fire by imbuing CSM bolter-fire with a pink aura (and much bigger rounds!). Interesting. I like the winter tileset too.

[CommissarRezail]

Yeah i hope they make csm way different in terms of units and play instead of clone army just evil approach.

[Enosh]

hmmm all of the 4 plauge marines have a missile launcher

[gorays]

Known Chaos units so far:
-Chaos Lord
-Chaos Sorcerer
-Chaos Space Marines
-Plague Marines
-Chaos Heavy Bolter Squad
-Chaos Predator (autocannon, heavy bolter sponsons)
-Chaos Dreadnought (CCW and a missile launcher)
-Chaos Terminators
-Bloodcrusher of Khorne

Not many left to reveal now.

That is very, very disappointing.

[Zaljin]

Looking at the screenshots, I'm a little disappointed. Chaos dreadnought looks terrible. At first glance its looking like they are just reskinning SM A dreadnought, predator, I mean come on they are basicly copying the SM list. The Khorne daemon looks really good however.

[Kam!kazee]

hmmm all of the 4 plauge marines have a missile launcher

Those seem to be campaign screens though, so that might be the reason.

[Azariah]

eeeh...can someone make a screenshot of the daemon i can't find them...

[Solitario]

If you look at the top of the page, you'll see the demon. In the banner. Are you looking for the bloodletter, aren't you? If you are talking about another demon, I don't know.

[CommissarRezail]

Yeah as of right now, it just look like they reskin sm, so maybe "SpaceMarine" game taking away from dow 2 budget...

[Azariah]

yeah i mean the bloodletter...x'D which screenshot of them? the first?

[Squiq]

everytime i visit this thread is find something new

i like!!

btw
i dont see any meleechaos except for the bloodcrusher
and i dont see any jump/teleport troops either unless the playguuu marine`s can do something im not aware of

[Solitario]

No, I spent my time looking for the bloodletter in the screenshots too, but he is at the top of the page, not in the screenshots, in the banner.

http://www.dawnofwar2.com/us/media/s...e/chaos_rising

[glenn3e]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimdark
Known Chaos units so far:
-Chaos Lord
-Chaos Sorcerer
-Chaos Space Marines
-Plague Marines
-Chaos Heavy Bolter Squad
-Chaos Predator (autocannon, heavy bolter sponsons)
-Chaos Dreadnought (CCW and a missile launcher)
-Chaos Terminators
-Bloodcrusher of Khorne

Not many left to reveal now.



That is very, very disappointing.

You know, there is a possibility that this are only campaign units. It makes sense that they are clone units because the campaign will allow the Blood Ravens to fall to chaos. Thus, they all have the "chaos" version of themselves.

I'd like to believe that MP will have a different army list. They haven't shown any MP screens yet though.

[Kam!kazee]

@Misaki92

[Kharrak]

Remember, that the current races are getting new units as well, so the racial unit-count average will rise, giving more room for Chaos units.

[DNA61289]

I dont really know what you guys were expecting, of course they re skinned them. I think they look cool. Also im sure they have more units and stuff to release, they did say all four chaos gods would be presented.

[Azariah]

eeeh lol...i have the old picture at the top!

[Kharrak]

Info!

http://community.dawnofwar2.com/blog...g-chaos-rising

Edit: Nevermind, nothing new :S

[TimW]

At first glance its looking like they are just reskinning SM A dreadnought, predator, I mean come on they are basicly copying the SM list. The Khorne daemon looks really good however.

The chaos predator has extra spikes on it. The chaos dreadnought has a giant cage/barbecue thing on the top. Chaos Space Marines have horns.

If they look similar to regular Space Marines with extra spikes and shit, that's probably because that's exactly how Chaos Space Marines are supposed to look.

It makes sense that they are clone units because the campaign will allow the Blood Ravens to fall to chaos.

ITT we treat rampant fan speculation has fact.

[LoneWolf666]

Indeed, all we know is that there will be a corruption meter, that's all...

[FooF]

The THQ press release/official site:

In Dawn of War II: Chaos Rising you will take command of the Blood Ravens and defend the sector against the Chaos Space Marines of the Black Legion. Purge the chaos filth and hold the chapter together as traitorous forces work from within to try bring down the Blood Ravens.

Upgrade your squads with new legendary wargear and unlock new special abilities, as your squads advance to level 30. Will you remain steadfast to the Emperor or risk heresy to gain new dark and destructive powers?

Bolded parts mine. I think it's pretty easy to infer that the Blood Ravens can turn to Chaos in the SP campaign by trying to use the Chaos weapons against their own masters, only to find they've fallen to heresy.

[Squiq]

maybe because of some scripted events you are being forced to use some chaos gear?
like the terminatorarmor Tarkus arrived in

[Enosh]

Not many left to reveal now.

that's probably not even half the list...

maybe because of some scripted events you are being forced to use some chaos gear?

no, the press releases quite clearly state that it is optional, Chaos wargear will have better statistic compared to normal ones, but will add corruption, can't get pass this boss? Well equip the +50 power axe of chaos doom but run into the risk of corrupting your forces and turning them to chaos

[Phaid]

*Sigh*

Another sad case of "bash first, check properly later".

We know there's several new daemon unitsin (mind you we only have 4 confirmed units), we know there's a new level cap in, we know there's a new planet and set of tiles in, we know there's new units for the OTHER races in, we know there's a mash of new wargear in, we know there's a new corruption system in, we know there's more choices in and more than that. That's with... what, THREE days' worth of information?

People these days.....

Wow, I know this site consists of fanatical Relic fanboys who will blindly buy everything with their logo, but even you guys are pushing it.
The gameplay difference between CSM and SM is so subtle it doesn't exist.
New level cap in? Yay, such a thing can be added in a patch.
New planet, wargear? Oh great, I've seen devs adding whole missions to their games for free.

Stop being so hostile, I'm looking forward to the expansion too, but I want IMPROVEMENTS. They didn't even bother to add a second race that doesn't feel or play like Space Marines and chances are, the campaign will still focus on nothing but infantry squads.

[Kronoch]

Or maybe you get daemon weapons that are way more powerful, but increase corruption. I agree with FooF, it sounds like a Relictors deja vu

[Enosh]

New planet, wargear? Oh great, I've seen devs adding whole missions to their games for free.

then go and play those games

the campaign will still focus on nothing but infantry squads.

I realy hope so

[Malachi]

The question is, is turning to Chaos going to be a "Game Over", or it's actually going to be possible to play as a Chaos force?

The problem is, if there's wargear that's incredibly powerful but Chaotic, then playing a Chaotic team is going to be much easier than a loyalist one.

[Phaid]

then go and play those games
I realy hope so

You know, you exhibit typical fanboyish behaviour. It's becuse of it developers today can get away with releasing games which are extremely low on content.

[Lord_Asmodeus]

Chaos Space Marines barely different from Space Marines? What?

Sure, maybe in the most basic of sense with their standard units, but there are tons of differences between Chaos and regular space marines. Many of those differences stem from Chaos itself (daemons, marks, god specific troops, chaos powers and Chaos weaponry. Personally, I hope to Tzeentch that they're going to add another hero to each race, so that you can have a champion for each God.

@Phaid: Calling everyone who disagrees with you a fanboy doesn't make them fanboys, and it doesn't make you right

@Malachi: If you CAN turn to Chaos, you would have to contend with Imperial forces coming after you as well, which would probably balance it out. You are technically more powerful, but you have more enemies showing up to kill you (where before they might have ignored or helped you, based on how corrupted you are) that's how I'm thinking

[Malachi]

Wow, they "get away" with making games people actually want to play and buy. How rude of them.

[Enosh]

which are extremely low on content

I would like to see some basis for this claim

[Buguba]

Wow, I know this site consists of fanatical Relic fanboys who will blindly buy everything with their logo, but even you guys are pushing it.
The gameplay difference between CSM and SM is so subtle it doesn't exist.
New level cap in? Yay, such a thing can be added in a patch.
New planet, wargear? Oh great, I've seen devs adding whole missions to their games for free.

Out of complete curiosity, have you played the Chaos faction? Do you have idea how they will play in DoW 2?

Even more than that, I can't believe you guys are going nuts over the fact that Chaos Marines look like re-skinned Space Marines. That's because THEY ARE. Hence why the only difference between "Chaos Space Marines" and "Space Marines" happens to be the all important adjective placed before the name.

Moreover, have you played DoW 2 yet? Relic has been adding free maps and free content left and right. Go buy a console game if you REALLY want to see how awful developers can be. Take Fallout 3 for example. 10 bucks for a buggy add-on that lasts for maybe an hour of gameplay? No thanks. Most console games make you pay through the nose just to get MAPS.

Stop being so hostile, I'm looking forward to the game too, but they didn't even bother to add a second race that doesn't feel or play like Space Marines and chances are, the campaign will still focus on nothing but infantry squads.

Again, have you played the Chaos faction? I guess I'm not sure what you're looking for here. I agree with you that we shold hold a measure of doubt when it comes to these things, but you're just being deliberately pessimistic. You're insinuating something that you have no evidence of, and no track record to prove it.

[stranger]

I might be missing something, but where did you guys get the plague marines part.

EDIT: Well damn. Even malachi disagrees with him. That gotta say something about his points...

[DeafMute]

stranger. they be talking about the chaos pictures on the dow2 site. there is chaos marines alongside a predator with green spore things happening. probably nurgle forces.

[Malachi]

4th screenshot, behind the Chaos Pred.

[Kharrak]

Probably Nurgle forces? They have the mark of Nurgle on their shoulder armour man! :P

[stranger]

Bah, was hoping for something more solid. Especialy since they seem to be holding missile launchers, which kinda rules out plague marines...

EDIT: Doh, those are plague marines... Why would they have missile launchers tho?

[Lord_Asmodeus]

Not to mention the sickening glow around them and the fact that their armor has a greyish green tint.

[CommissarRezail]

Stranger :they only assuming those are plague marines, behind the predator pic.

Also yeah i wanted ig or atleast tau, but chaos is good, and chaos is waaay different from regular space marine. Not to mention the amount of weaponry at chaos hands. ALso demons of all sizes.

"praying for oblitz making it in dow 2" PRAYY!!

[FooF]

Yep.

Nurgle mark, green cloud about them, ground is corrupted, tumor/growth on the back of the upper right Marine (probably Sgt.)...it's about as obvious as it gets.

I'm more interested in the two CSM at the bottom wielding chainswords. CSM that can go all melee? Yes please. Either an upgrade or a separate melee CSM unit. I'd prefer the upgrade but whatever.

[Kharrak]

Yeah, I noticed that as well. It would be an interesting dynamic, though again it's dangerous to judge multiplayer through singleplayer campaign screens.

[Malachi]

Maybe stances are going to be in?

[Kharrak]

Hahaha, that would turn some heads.

Also, what FooF said also sparked something... if Chaos Space Marines are able to upgrade into a melee unit, would that mean they are their own anti ranged and soft-anti melee unit? Would be interesting, it would at least be mixing up the formula.

[Phaid]

Out of complete curiosity, have you played the Chaos faction? Do you have idea how they will play in DoW 2?

Even more than that, I can't believe you guys are going nuts over the fact that Chaos Marines look like re-skinned Space Marines. That's because THEY ARE. Hence why the only difference between "Chaos Space Marines" and "Space Marines" happens to be the all important adjective placed before the name.

Which is EXACTLY why I feel they're putting little effort into creating this expansion. You take a Space Marine model and add horns. I know I'm oversimplifying things here, but my point is - since those factions are so similar, another race with its own campaign would make me much more willing to fork out money for the expansion.

Moreover, have you played DoW 2 yet? Relic has been adding free maps and free content left and right.

Just like those promised Orc and Eldar campaigns, right?

Go buy a console game if you REALLY want to see how awful developers can be. Take Fallout 3 for example. 10 bucks for a buggy add-on that lasts for maybe an hour of gameplay? No thanks. Most console games make you pay through the nose just to get MAPS.

Relic sure are getting close to adopting that mentality.

Again, have you played the Chaos faction? I guess I'm not sure what you're looking for here. I agree with you that we shold hold a measure of doubt when it comes to these things, but you're just being deliberately pessimistic. You're insinuating something that you have no evidence of, and no track record to prove it.

...And you are optimistic for no reason. I mean, wasn't the original disappointingly shallow?
The SP campaign was so lazily done it isn't funny. The mission design was ridiculously primitive for the most part and to make matters worse, they copied&pasted the one and only mission structure ad infinitum. It's like they put it all together in one night. It's fun while it lasts, but it feels rushed and incomplete.
Check the physics system - miles worse than the one from CoH, what the hell happened?
Multiplayer is a mixed bag - it's OK, but still unbalanced and much less "epic" that the DoW one. No artillery units. Weapons, explosions, everything feels weak and unimpressive, there are very few units on screen (low level cap), maps are tiny. I didn't like the rushing mentality DoW encouraged, but the original succeeded in making me feel like there's a huge war going on. DoW II fails in this aspect.
Homeworld, Company of Heroes, even DoW (DoW II campaign sucks compared to the one in the original) were MUCH more polished when they shipped.

DoW II is Relic's worst game to date, funny that I hear that EVERYWHERE I go, but this place is an exception.

[LoneWolf666]

Bolded parts mine. I think it's pretty easy to infer that the Blood Ravens can turn to Chaos in the SP campaign by trying to use the Chaos weapons against their own masters, only to find they've fallen to heresy.

That doesn't mean you can go full Chaos in the campaign, just that you can risk heresy by using Chaos equipment. Some SM chapters have been known to do that. Even if you end up corrupt, it might not neccessarily mean Chaos worship, just sacrificing everything to achieve your goals.

[hellic]

Relic sure are getting close to adopting that mentality.

"Close" as in a absolutely FREE game mode and new maps? I guess it's close to charging $0.01 for them.