The Farben Effect [Needs a skinner and a mapper!]

[geolol5]

The Farben Effect (TFE) is a mod based on an alternative reality, where Germany in world war 2 invaded Britain. The main plot of TFE is that the Germans invaded Britain before America and Canada had sent a sufficient ammount of troops to defend Britain in 1941. Now its 1946 and the Americans have won the war in the pacific and the Russians are fighting back the Germans. This forces Germany to move troops from the west to the eastern front, giving America and Canada the chance to help the remaining British forces to re-capture Britain.
-edit 3 of the factions (Germany, Britain and America/Canada) and to Introduce a new Country, Italy.
-Change doctrines to part of the Countries army and have unqiue buildings and units for each doctrine.
-Creating maps including famous landmarks such as Big Ben and Buckingham Palace.
-Cover the buildings in propaganda posters
-A campaign about the invasion of britain. (if we have time)

Factions

Allies
-British
Doctrines
-Resistance
-Army
-SAS
-America and Canada
Doctrines
-Marines
-Armour
-Field artillery
Axis
-Germany
Doctrines
-Sturmstaffel
-Wehrmacht
-Luftwaffe
-Italy
Doctrines
-Alpini
-Armoured
-Binary

The Team

Leader
Geolol5/Badgerhunter (just to confuse you)

Skinners(we have none :O)
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Modelers
-BurtondrummerNY
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Historians
-LloydyBoy
-Jozz
Mappers(we have none :O)
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At the moment we are a small team attempting quite a big project so if you can help in mapping, skinning or modeling don't hesitate to sign up.
And if anyone is willing to waste their time in helping can someone help with the OE because i downloaded before... took me 5 nights... and it downloaded corrupted... anyway if anyone is willing to help get stuff in game please help.


credits

tankdestroyer, Aidas2, Pojarsma, Reichsbahn, Slayerknecht, Georider, Tankdestroyer for the jadgpanther and comet. http://forums.relicnews.com/showthread.php?t=232125
DemoSS for equipment on the ss soldier

[Celution]

Now that is quite interesting. I wish you good luck!

[FlashStepFlame]

Ok, if you are going to do this you must factor in what you are going to be able to use as the British, its mostly going to be Canadians that came over, but mostly its just going to be local militia.

[burtondrummerNY]

Good luck with this! If you need any help, let me know lol.

[No More Clowns!]

yeah the british wouldn't be able to posses any vehicles besides jeeps, unless you make call-ins include captured german vehicles and tanks (that would be awesome).

also because it is 1946 and the war is still going on, that would mean that late-war weapons and armor could make more prominent appearances (e.g. pershing, kingtiger, improved bazooka, etc). you could even introduce tanks that never made it, but that would have had the war gone on longer (such as the panther II). this would mean making new models though.

very interesting mod concept. i shall definitely be checking this thread. best of luck!

[burtondrummerNY]

yeah it would be epic to have the maus rolling around london

[geolol5]

ok about the British, they will have cars and be ex-military and citizens, they will basically be a guerrila faction.
Flashstepflame thanks for that info on the canadians, i will proberly have the Canadians as a separate faction later into the mod but for the time being i will import to the british resistance as you said alot came over to Britain.
no-more clowns, because there hasnt been much fighting in europe i'm going to judge that they would have spent alot of money on creating better guns, so maybe some fictional guns ? but tanks such as the sherman may be cut out and replaced with the pershing but will still cost alot. The Germans will have new tanks but at the moment with no modeler that will have to wait

[No More Clowns!]

i would suggest not introducing too many fictional items, as the germans still would have to fight the russians and pour loads of money into production of available weapons and armor instead. but then again it's not my mod.

[burtondrummerNY]

But if you think of it, they would no longer be facing the british nor the french, so production costs could literally decrease by half. And, it is not clear if the germans continued with operation babarossa in the mod, so for all we know, mother russia could be neutral.

Just my 2cents

[Uccido]

i imagine alot of the brits will be improvised weaponry. armor plating welded to cars and things (literally armoured cars ). they wouldnt have access to full production facilities but they would have basic resources.

[geolol5]

Well the question is, do you want new guns like an fg52, gas masks (killzone? never heard of it) and new types of tanks? and Uccido there will be 2 types of cars, the normaly civilian car with 1-2 people shooting out of the windows and maybe a car with the roof cut off with metal plates around it with a heavy mg on top.

[Cossack]

I propose next factions:
Waffen-SS (based on the PE)
Wehrmacht

Commonwealth (Canada and Australia, and their unique vehicles)
Americans (USA)

[LloydyBoy]

i know many main designs that were planed to be used as late war Tanks

Panzer VII Löwe (Panzer 8)

Panzer 8

crew of five, 1000-hp engine, weight of 76 tons, 100-mm frontal armor, rear-mounted turret, 105 mm L/70 high velocity gun and a coaxial machine gun, top speed 27 km/h

Panzer X (Panzer 10)

Panzer 10

Only Information is that Panzer IX and X both Carried a 88mm or 128mm Cannon

and the suspenson was Torsion bar

and Panzer IX (Panzer 11)

Panzer 11

Kugelblitz

KugelBlitz

E-100

E-100

Weight 140 tonnes
Length 10.27 m
Width 4.48 m
Height 3.29 m
Crew 6

Armor 60 - 240 mm
Primary
armament 150 mm KwK44 L/38 or
170mm Kwk44
Secondary
armament co-axial 75 mm KwK 44 L/36.5
7.92 mm MG34
Engine V-12 Maybach HL230 - prototype
700 hp (522 kW)
V-12 Maybach HL234 - proposed
1200 hp (895 kW)

Suspension Belleville washer coil spring
Operational
range 190 km on roads
Speed 40 km/h

The Maus Everyone Knows about

and of Course

P1000 Ratte

Ratte

Weight 1000 tonnes
Length 35.00 m
Width 14.00 m
Height 11.00 m
Crew 20+, possibly as many as 41


Armor 150 - 360 mm
Primary
armament 2x 280 mm 54.5 SK C/34
Secondary
armament 1x 128 mm KwK 44 L/55
8x 20 mm Flak38
2x 15 mm MG 151/15
Engine 8x Daimler-Benz MB501 20-cylinder marine diesel engines
or 2x MAN V12Z32/44 24-cylinder marine diesel engines
16,000 or 17,000 hp (13,000 kW)
Operational
range Approximately 120 miles (190 km)
Speed 40 km/h



and the P1500 Monster

Monster

Weight 1,500 tonnes
Length 42.00 m
Width 18.00 m
Height 7.00 m
Crew 100+


Armor 250 mm (hull front)
Primary
armament 1x 800 mm K (E) gun
Secondary
armament 2x 15cm sFH 18/1 L/30 (howitzer)
Multiple 15 mm MG151/15
Engine Four MAN M9v 40/46 U-boat diesels
2,200 hp
Operational
range Unknown
Speed 15 km/h

[Angelic]

Give me a Jeep and ill weld some armor plates on it and stuff...

[Celution]

No... those super heavy weights don't fit in CoH scale. They would ruin everything..

[LloydyBoy]

if you were gonna make it the simplest Designs to do are Kugelblitz and the Löwe

Like i said Löwe is baiscly the Same as a King Tiger with the Exception of the Armament,

E-100 is a Tiny bit Smaller than a Maus but a little bit Bigger than a King Tiger,

KugelBlitz is the same as a regular Panzer 4

Panzer IX is same Height as a Tiger

but panzer X is the same as a King Tiger but a Inch Bigger
(lol maybe not)
as for Panzer P1000 Ratte and P1500 Monster, you could make them a Arty barrage

[geolol5]

woah Lloydyboy you know your tanks! Thanks alot for the detailed descriptions, and the P1500 monster looks like the size of the map O_o Thanks Angelic for the offer, ATM i am renaming and texturing the SS units, so creating a new car will probs take a while. But if you would like the normal allies jeep can be a starting point? Any suggestions for the 2nd faction? because the wehr wouldnt really have changed, it will be almost exactly the same as the normal coh. So maybe something such as a British Nazi party? (good how that makes bnp :P)

[Angelic]

also if you make some concept of weapons i can create them fairly easy.
also ill ask pojrsma to exctractthe Allied jeep.

[geolol5]

Thank you very much!

[No More Clowns!]

i think it might be possible to derive a panther II from a regular panther, the biggest change seems to be the turret. with the possibility of the 88mm pak43 variant for the main cannon

[geolol5]

yeah, but i dont know a thing about modeling so im guessing you can just edit the original model?

[Uccido]

yep. but youll need to reanimate it

@lowdy:
VII - 7
IX - 9
X - 10
XI - 11
with roman numerals if the small digit is before the large, its subtract, if its after its add.

[Cossack]

We need Löwe, Kugelblitz, Panther II!!! ^_^

[col.sanders]

in this alternate timeline, if the third reich is still fighting the soviet union , it would make sense if the occupation army of England wouldnt be as strong as a full strenght army , meaning more like occupational units and 2nd rate divisions, like the majority of divisions that were stationed in normandy (excluding the elite panzer divisions and the SS and fallschirmjager divisions)

so the axis factions would look something like :
Wehrmacht: (still the main brute force with all the fun tanks and stuff , but a bit weaker , since most of the war effort is going to Russia)
-Defensive doctrine - garrison units, cheaper and more various defense structures, mostly infantry and artillery/at
-Blitzkrieg doctrine/or a better name - the mobile few heavy panzer reserves , in case of emergency
-Terror doctrine/or a better name - the garrisoned artillery divisions/supporting elements of wehrmacht, similar or exactly like the pe scorched earth doctrine, with various artillery units and specialised engineers and demolitions units

PE/ SS : - the main policing/ 'keep the civillian population in line/counter-insurgency' force , strong in various infantry and fast response-light vehicles , very few real tanks.

Scorched earth doctrine / or better name - maybe replace with some sort of 'Gestapo' doctrine - comprised of various mass-cheap but lightly armed infantry units that can detect resistance soldiers in disguise, aka, 'cloaked units' , have many propaganda 'scaring' tools such as the propaganda war call in, (as found in regular coh for terro doc), only maybe cheaper/improved. perhaps add some reinforcements (as geolol5 suggested) such as british nazi party volunteers, quick response call in infantry, big squad with light arms, same health as volks? able to enter the filed as reg coh falls , out of buildings?

Luftwaffe doctrine - just as the name implies, (similar to generic coh) the german airforce has not been defeated but is stronger than ever, call in luftwaffe garrisons and airforce support such as the FW190 plane (its been done before in many other mods such as afrika korps and BotB), and limited elite fallschirmjager garrison troops

Tank destroyer doctrine - replace with some sort of
' armored patrol' name , consists of fast strike/response armored vehicles , has the most variety of pe-style armored vehicles , from the nimble scout car to 50mm pumas and maybe more, if modelling is possible.

[LloydyBoy]

i know quite alot of Weapons i'll post the ones i can think of the top of my head

Gerät 06(H) / StG45

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Cartridge 7.92x33mm Kurz
Action Roller-delayed blowback
Rate of fire 350-450 rounds/min
Muzzle velocity 685 m/s (2,247 ft/s)
Effective range 300 m
Feed system 10 or 30-round detachable box magazine
Sights Rear: V-notch; front: hooded post


many of the StG45 was influenced in post wars as weapons such as the AK-47 and the M16

and more famously influenced the Heckler & Koch designs

a more Wacky German Design is based on 3 Allied Weapons

The M3 "Grease Gun", the Mark 2 Sten and the Russian PPSh 43

combined to make the Mp3008

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Cartridge 9x19mm Parabellum
Action Blowback, open bolt
Rate of fire 450 rounds/min
Muzzle velocity 365 m/s (1,198 ft/s)
Feed system 32-round detachable box magazine
Sights Front blade, rear aperture

Einstossflammenwerfer 46

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The Einstossflammenwerfer 46 was a flamethrower designed in Germany during the second half of World War II and introduced in 1944; it was engineered to be both cheap and easily mass-produced. The disposable weapon fired a half-second burst of flame of up to 27 metres (89 ft).[1] It was probably issued to the Volkssturm or the Werwolf movement, but also used by the Fallschirmjäger (German paratroopers).

and now for the odd designs which would make u laugh they were used as "last ditch" weapons by the Germans

the 7.92 Wimmersperg spz kr

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EMP-44

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Panzerwurfmine (Flying AT Nade)

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Krummlauf

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this had a Side affect though, the bullet would break apart from inside the barrel and cause a Shotgun like effect with miniture bullet rounds flying to a target

Maschinenkarabiner 42

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KnorrBremese (only used with the FallshirmJeager)

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also i've come up with a new sort of plan

if the invasion of Britian can happen in 1946

You can add these units

Ju 322 "Mammut" (Mamoth)

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Me 323 "Gigant" (Giant)

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FleigerFaust (Plane Fist)

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The Design was simple, Since Allied Air force ruled the sky, the germans made a 9 Rocket, Unguided, Ground to Air Missile Laucher

at 1st the design was pretty crap, but 1/2 reports, german high command heard they used the FleigerFaust on use at tanks, and proved Sucsessfull

and last, the Focke Achgelis Fa 223 (helicopter)

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luckily the Joint Operations Moderaters have already made a design for the Fa 223 so theres 1 down

[geolol5]

damn this 2nd faction will probs stay as the wehr at this rate . Thanks alot again Lloydyboy! I will ask JO for the fa 223 and was the fa used in any combat? and if so who used it? thanks

[Angelic]

IM busy on the armored jeep.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6139/jeep1y.jpg

is it oky? - every white part is added.

[Uccido]

just remember the blue sides of the faces arent visible when exported to max, so youll need to make sure its white on all visible sides

[Angelic]

Yea i know i always double check that, but the jeeps gona be removed when they say its oky, so ill only hold the th "armor" and are gona be placed on it like the stug/panther decals etc gona ask if McScruff want to skin it.

[LloydyBoy]

yes and No for the Fa 223, since only 6 were built they used it as a transport plane and drop squads of troops on the front line or in Joint Operation's use they used it for Special operations and evacuating POWs from Occupied Contries

the arnament was 2 Mg42's fitted on the Windows next to the doors basicly like a Helicopter u see today with the miniguns on the Windows next to the Cockpit

but with special animation coding it could be used as a Strafe Ability the 2 Mgs could provide a slow Strafe ability and surpress any Allied Troops in sight

the Fa 223 was used by SS and Luftwaffle Forces but since its 1946 any faction could use it

@angelic

if u can could u make this

Dodge WC55

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btw

i also know alot of Allied Prototypes as well as german

[Hell_sajuuk]

LMAO actually you could put the P1000 Ratte in game (call in, very expensive call in) but it could only move down some roads oo and you could also make it that it destroys bridges if it goes on them destroying it as well, I think that would at least balance it out a bit (quote "a bit")

Also what about the japanese most of you have missed them if german won, what is going to come of them did they win aswell if so the americans wouldn't be able to help cause japs would control the sea's and possibly them.

[Angelic]

@Lloydy yes i can but it would new animation i think and a def. a new skin but yea could make it.


also could you find a better picture of the cannon in the back

[LloydyBoy]

@Hell sajuuk

why the jappanese its about the invasion and defence of britian not Pacific

@angelic

is this better?

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it was the best i could find, most of the images are either from the side or front view

if you need to find out what the actual gun looks like on wheels, here it is,

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[Angelic]

Wouldent it cause problem because mostley the cannon is mounted on the front... anyway ill see if i can put it on ill make

30.cal ( with the new jeep ) and 1 with a cannon mount

[geolol5]

that jeep looks mint . and hell? the japanese? they would still be fighting the americans or the americans would have won in the pacfic. and if the japanese did have control of the seas that means the americans wouldnt be able to come and help britain and that would be the end of the mod DUN DUN DUUUUUN!
the ratte will definatly not be a ingame tank/artillery as if i did im sure it wouldnt look very good because of the poly limit because it is huge. the Dodge WC55 link doesnt show on here atm so im guessing its the american jeep with the anti-tank gun?
and adding the fa 223 to my vechiles list

[burtondrummerNY]

Hey for 2nd faction I think it should be wehr. Both factions could get british supporters tbh.

[No More Clowns!]

same here. as the US is a faction fighting the germans, wermacht would be involved independently of the waffen-SS.

lol british supporters. it would be only be like 1 guy, and you get him once per game

ok, back to the matter at hand, you could have wermacht abilities like british spy network where LOS for points is extended, or the entire map is revealed for 20 seconds or something.

also (just some thoughts), the germans control most of britain, but not all (i.e. the toughest, most savage british are reside in the unconquered parts). so british faction should get extremely tough infantry, armed with domestic, US and captured german weapons (like panzerfauts/schrecks etc). additionally, vehicles other than jeeps and trucks should be US lent, captured german, or british veteran units that have takin refuge in said areas of resistance, and therefore all expensive call -ins. also, british units should get longer sight radius (the mod takes place all in UK right?). also jeeps and trucks could versatile, like putting piat or captured-shreck crews in them for quick anti-tank units (besides the mounted gun idea).

man, there are a ton of ideas and potential here. this mod can be great i look forward to it

[Angelic]

Maybe Brintain should get more of the german first tanks i mean if you wanna have a good ficht ure can capture some tanks and than the Axis have better tanks
than the Brits have more advanced AT weapons so its a little balanced

[Uccido]

Tri's arent effected by scale... you could take a 6000 poly sherman, scale it to the size of a ratte, and it would still be 6000 poly..

@NMC: so its like the roman conquest of britain? managed to capture everything but the highland of scotland, to be driven back by pagans lol (if memory serves correctly)

[Hell_sajuuk]

I have it the japanese lost the battle for midway but since germany won the battle for europe there was a peace treaty made between america and japan but the japanese would not fight but only defend if they were attacked by either side.. problem solved

Yes I forget about that stupid poly limit. Also I still think the wehr are more suited for this mod.

[pojarsma]

These would be nice...

[Angelic]

IM gettin a big grine on my face when i think aobut ficthing with those

[burtondrummerNY]

notice some of germany's proposed tanks follow similar concepts to the t34?

[geolol5]

ok thanks for the feeback and research again .
I put the British nazi supporters because im sure some people in Britain did not dislike the nazi ideas. and to this day there are british facist parties and a british nazi party. and im sure if the germans did invade england some people would side with the germans as germany were planning on setting up death camps and killing off many people in britain.

[No More Clowns!]

@burtondrummerNY

yes... suspiciously so. it could be that the first tank is the alternate proposed design for the panther. which was supposedly a t34 clone with a long cannon. also the VK.402(p2) reminds me of the IS2...

[Hell_sajuuk]

lol so many units so little time

[The Lost Squad]

this mod would be on my dl list but im wondering about the russians again (i know old subject) what if the germans hadnt broken their alliance in '41 with the russians after poland and they focused on britain and america this mod could also be expanded to have some fighting in america as well but just a theory...

[Angelic]

Would be great to put the russians on the german side, and would also give a new effect.

[The Lost Squad]

my point exactly what IF the russians hadnt been invaded and HELPED the germans it waould add a new perspective on things as in all hope seems lost

[No More Clowns!]

i mean that definitely is a new perspective, but at the same time that would mean 2 things.
A) it's the germans, japanese, italians, and russians against US military and British resistance. a little lopsided if you ask me. and
B) many of the tanks and weapons the germans have is a result of their war with russia. many of the tank designs of both germans and russians would not exist if they didn't go to war, so i would say to keep russia as an enemy or at least an enemy until '45 or 46 then a peace treaty comes