[SS1.2]im not noob plx let me joinz ur gamez

[Chaingun]

Ok, so Gamespy has reset the stats of my main account during the time I haven't played. I started playing again Tuesday, and noted that it's fairly difficult to get to join no-noob games due to this. I don't got all that much time to beat noobs until an acceptable rating, so by posting replays from all of my 7 games since Tuesday I hope sometimes I will be recognized in no noob games rather than kicked.

I'm Snuskpelle playing IG, and no, I'm not gay despite my color scheme.

Some comments on the seven games contained: numbered from 1 (oldest) to 7 (newest)

1. Oasis of Sharr. I'm very rusty here. Game is long but some players are pretty noob. Some memorable noob chat messages that can be pretty fun to read.

2. Kasyr Lutien. Game with random teams. Unfortunately a bit unbalanced as I get teamed up with Tepex who played 3000 games.

3. Into the Breach. Quality of game is low, but it's a good example of what noobs often do wrong (building an army and not using it).

4. Into the Breach. Quality low here too, another good example of what noobs do wrong (spending money on useless turrets in middle).

5. Alvarus. Not that good IIRC, not remembering anything from this.

6. Alvarus. Much better game quality (more balanced teams). Got a weird bug here mid game preventing me from scrolling screen thus fucking up my micro.

7. Oasis of Sharr. Finally a no noob game I was let into because I had played the host on the previous Alvarus game. Quality is decent all around and makes for a fairly exciting game.

Results

Won all games, highest number of kills each time IIRC.

[MadMonkey]

i've seen a few of your replays and your strategies are bold but extremely effective. You accomplish alot while using imo very few troops.

[Antodias]

Good stuff. As a new player myself, its good to see the mistakes commonly made compared to the decisions of more experienced players.

[SpArTy]

The majority of hosts are awful at reading players ability ive had high level accounts (under 50 games) being refused when some low level nub with a million games, 30 min average and 40% is allowed np np. Dow thick-ness is at an all time high, the likes ive never seen before. Essentially just host your own game.

[nobdoor]

It's pretty easy to spot noobs. If your avg game time is >20 min, ur not going to get into no-noob games.

Even somebody with 40% avg will get into most RTNN games if they have low avg game time and a couple hundred games. You can get away with less than 50 games if your % is higher.

Tell host to quiz you. I ask people for a build order to confirm their noobdom. If the BO is acceptable, they get to play.

[Beholda]

The majority of hosts are awful at reading players ability ive had high level accounts (under 50 games) being refused when some low level nub with a million games, 30 min average and 40% is allowed np np. Dow thick-ness is at an all time high, the likes ive never seen before. Essentially just host your own game.

Cruel but true.

I joined a game called "All welcome" and as soon as i join (i only just started playing again so my stats were 0 games played) one of the other noobs go "kick the noob kick beholda" and the host kicks me...

[Gadianton]

@SpArty, maybe they can sense your cruelty....I've played you before and been brutally smashed...
(which I hope made me a better player )

The games have been fun to watch...one of the best comments was something along the lines of Tau being crap.....

[HouseofTehDead]

Get yourself an automatch score of above 1075ish. If you get booted, the host is a noob and you're better off not bothering. Or, as another poster has noted, get some friends and host your own. That's usually the best way. Good luck!

Edited to remove my personal and inappropriate comments re: Tepex. Sorry dude!

[Chaingun]

Get yourself an automatch score of above 1075ish.

Maybe, not sure how long time it takes to find auto matches nowadays. Will give it a whirl. Managed 1300 in SS a year ago but honestly it was pretty boring as it was random who I was matched with, so it seemed more luck in finding lower skilled opponents rather than having comparable Dark Crusade skill...

PS avoid all games hosted by Tepex if you can. He's nothing but a bitch who spams and overloads the lobby for ads for his kas noob games. No one decent joins.

I've rarely played Tepex on Kas (mostly other maps), as for lobby spam it seems a lot of people do that. Maybe you've got a point in the other aspect though.

The games have been fun to watch...one of the best comments was something along the lines of Tau being crap.....

Hehe yeah you get to hear anything. IG is crap, Eldar is crap, DE is crap...

Tell host to quiz you.

Good idea.

[MadMonkey]

if the host quizes u and u don't know a lot about it. How the hell do u adjust to the rhythm of online games? Cause i doubt the comp will be a decent help to get to a higher level. Yes you can get more experience in the BO when playing skirmishes and watching replays.
I watched a lot of replays and enjoyed everyone. Never played online cause I would prolly get powned

[Danustar]

@ Madmonkey - Noob only games abound and are the obvious place to start online.
Tha other thing is you can play with a human teammate which can make the experience a little more forgiving while you find your feet.
Just do it - it's so much more rewarding.
I'm also finding the skill level in Soulstorm is generally lower than Dark Crusade.
Makes sense I suppose.

Watching these reps now Chaingun.
LOL @ Oasis chat ><

[TiC]

Ouch, seems like everybody hates noobs... I don't even have to start to play online then haha

btw, I'd appreciate if someone would explain to me exactly which program(s) i need and what to do to be able to play online.

[Danustar]

Na man, noobs are cool - just not in high level matches.

Playing online is simple and awesome fun. The game pretty much does it all for you.
You'll need either the Dark Crusade or Soulstorm game. Install-Run-Multiplayer-Online Voila!
There are four Dawn of War games and they all compliment each other by adding playable races for online matches.
The more the merrier but you only need one to get started.
When you first connect the game will want to install a couple of update patches.
Again, it should take care of this automatically for you.

If you have any more questions why not pop up a thread in the main Dawn of War forum

[StoneRhino]

being refused when some low level nub with a million games, 30 min average and 40% is allowed np np

The win % actualy has less to do with the quality of the player. A player with a million games reguardless of his other stats should have a very good grasp of the game. On the other hand a player with a very high win % and a low number of games could have been comp stomping an easy comp with 6 team mates. Unless you have played them before you really don't know if they truely know the game.

I know it can suck to be kicked out of games. Trust me it feels way worse when people do it out of fear. Or just don't join your game...IE jump in check stats and jump out. I have found that a win percent of around 50-60 and a few games will get you in most games and lower the number of people leaving the game.

When a few friends and I had the game "Grove Street" going we would not kick anyone unless we knew they where subpar and the A gamers were there. Even then that person had to be really bad.

[Gadianton]

Does Grove Street still show its ugly head....I always had fun playing those games and can remember some fun moves by Yoda.....

[StoneRhino]

Naw, DoW2 killed it. Just a few lan parties every now and then.

[Hopit]

I hate mp in dow. I only play skirmishes most of the day, because I hate those dc and ss campaign and can't finish WA and vanilla dow campaigns...

[Latias418]

The win % actualy has less to do with the quality of the player. A player with a million games reguardless of his other stats should have a very good grasp of the game.

I disagree. If you think higher % = good then you're one of the people who misunderstand how to read stats.

As a host I see so many people with a good amount of games played and bad skill... these people usually have <50%. The best way you know someone is good is a combination of high games played (300+), low average game time, and a GOOD but NOT lolwut percentage (60%-70%, typically).

This obviously isn't 100% accurate but it is impossible to be 100% accurate just from looking at stats.

Automatch score is completely irrelevant in DC, no point in judging based on that.

[Danustar]

Um, I think you are actually agreeing with him about the % but games played is irrelevant.

People make new accounts every week.
If someone's played 30, won 80% with an av game time of 14mins you know he's been around.

The interesting thing is how highly respected a low game time is - and rightly so.
It's reasonable to assume that such a player has earned a lot of their stats in 1v1s - the truest test of ability.
In team games, I'd be much more confident with a 50/70/14 ally than a 500/80/20.

[Latias418]

I'm not agreeing with him. He is saying that % is completely irrelevant if you have a lot of games played for judging, however I've seen so many bad players with 1000+ games. I've seen one really eeehhh player with 3000 games. Playing a lot helps, but these players have played a lot of the wrong thing and keep doing the wrong thing forever. They usually have 30-45% wins, to go with their lack of skill.

People make new accounts every week.
If someone's played 30, won 80% with an av game time of 14mins you know he's been around.

This is common sense, at any rate many times you know who they are anyways (at least in DC) unless they're actively trying to hide it (completely different name, using different colour schemes, talking to people they know as if they didn't know).

[StoneRhino]

I'd be much more confident with a 50/70/14 ally than a 500/80/20.

Just to see something I played 1v1 against a harder comp. It took 9:12 and most of that time was waiting for the main building to die. So you are saying that if I play with my friends 7 year old and just blow through comps you would rather play with him when he's at 50/100%/10 then with me who is like 400/54ish/23. Just for fun lets not include the fact that probably 95-98% of my games have been 4v4 random teams. Or a lot of the time I'm just messing around... Ork HQ rush for the win.

Stats are next to worthless. Sure you can find someone who is seven years old with 3,000 games played that's still not very. The same is true for people who start new accounts often or leave the game and come back. 0/0%/0 does not equal noob just as 50/100%/10 does not equal pro. But you will find that most people with a good amount of games are better on average. Even if their win % is not all that great. Also it's not hard to ask if they know what's going on before the game starts.

[Danustar]

Just for fun lets not include the fact that probably 95-98% of my games have been 4v4 random teams

You don't need to include it because it's clear from your stats.
You make my point - Long average times indicate a preference for team games.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
My point is that, in contrast to someone who plays lots of 1v1s [& brace yourself for the irony], team players make poor allys.

To answer your question, I wouldn't necessarily "rather play" with low game time players but yes, I think that low mins are an excellent indication of ability.
If someone is laming their way to good stats, they're unlikely to be joining the 'real' games anyway.

P.S. <3 Ork HQ rush.

[StoneRhino]

My point is that, in contrast to someone who plays lots of 1v1s [& brace yourself for the irony], team players make poor allys.

The irony is that I can agree with this statement. But that's why I prefer team games. In 1v1 it's based only on your ability to play. Team games often are based on your ability to play while giving aid to a bad teammate or making up for a player that dropped. It's a lot more rewarding to know you held your own against 2 or more players because your ally was sitting in his base teching or just doing nothing.

The win % actualy has less to do with the quality of the player. A player with a million games reguardless of his other stats should have a very good grasp of the game. On the other hand a player with a very high win % and a low number of games could have been comp stomping an easy comp with 6 team mates. Unless you have played them before you really don't know if they truely know the game.

This statement is still true. Because you can do many things to make your stats look however you want. And someone who has played 3,000 online games and still does not know the games is the exception and not the rule.

[Tainty]

For the record, it's still possible to get automatches every now and then in SS. Easiest way to find out if you're going to have any luck is to sort by rank and have a look see if anyone with a score is on. If you get a few of them, starting it up and yelling "1v1 auto!" in the lobby tends to end up with you in a game more often than not.

As to skill, well... There's some good players out there, but there are more than a few who seem very new to the concept of automatch, to put it politely.

[MetalheadA7X]

Replay 7 was very entertaining. Loved the 2 baneblades and 4 Leman Russ in proper bright colours. That was a spectacle.

I actually learned an important lesson when playing with/against IG from the replay.
Never underestimate the Chimera.