-=DoW40k2:WOA=- (ret) - Tau updates #1459

[Jivebologna]

This mod sounds really exciting! Had a comment regarding the command squad, though: about a year ago, I played a mod that added three or four members to the Force Commander, and it completely gimped his Victory Charge ability. Squad members would get in the way and waste/abort the charge, or the entire squad would get butchered piecemeal due to being strung-out and isolated. Frustrating as all-hell, since that charge was pretty much the mainstay ability for the commander early game.

On a side note, I think it'd be nice to have the scout squad equip whatever Cyrus carries; full sniper, full shotgun, or full bolters.

I'd also agree with the suggestion to keep the marine/scout squads at five, not ten. A lot of the campaign maps have really nasty chokepoints that would bottleneck just a ten man squad, let alone that entire bunch. This would also screw with any attempts to be 'tactical' in your fights.

[miketwistam]

Agree on tac part.

Yet i have a suggestion:
What if you'll remove reinforcement ability from Relay Beacons, and remove healing from them, making them only fall back points and perhaps give it something like AoE damage reduction buff?

Cuz it was always damn boring to see your marines fighting, making you care about them less, knowing that if they'll die you'll easily revive them via Relay Beacons.

[DeusImperator]

That is a good idea but it would only work with a special beacon or a drop pod at Mission 2 to reinforce Avitus.

[horusheretic]

Weapon skill versus weapon skill combat working

[Wildcard84]

@horusheretic: I tried to figure out what do you mean by that, but i couldn't figure out myself, wheter it was a method from TT, or some other type (ie. your own / old FoK method)
Could you explain/unveil it a bit?

-Wildcard-

[horusheretic]

tt models have a ws, that determine how good it is in melee with other models.

we just conveyed it here

[Fulcaris]

personally i think squads should be bigger than 5men its doesn't feel like warhammer if the battles aren't epic

[Khorney]

yeah, but you have to think of playability, the maps simply arn't designed with that many units in mind - it will just become a pathing nightmare as everyone tries to scrum through the terrain

[Fulcaris]

2 ways around that is a) dont bunch up your squads any person whos played tabletop for a long time you'd know that
b) i think people have found out how to change maps for campaign if you used the community map pack there are a alot of maps which support large squads

[Gorb]

And kill performance on the computers involved.

Shall I mention that Warhammer isn't all about huge grand-scale armies? I shall point you to Kill Teams, Inquisitor (now Dark Heresy) and Necromunda. Go Google them before saying "its doesn't feel like warhammer if the battles aren't epic".

[horusheretic]

its safe to say that we are keeping both ends of the spectrum in mind

[Lonewolf75]

But Necromunda & Co. are absolute niche 40k games...

[Gorb]

Kill Teams was actually quite a popular subset of the main 40k rulebook, before it was removed.

Besides, the fluff doesn't just depict huge, epic armies clashing over entire planets. Ever read Eisenhorn? Brothers of the Snake? Plenty of 40k revolves around individual, and not interplanetary, conflicts.

/off-topic

[Fulcaris]

either or i find the vanilla maps terrible as its just hide and seek with guns and tanks. out of interest is persistent bodies going to be enabled?

[DeusImperator]

Tyranids and Orks don't go around in small groups, I must say.
SM and Eldar do.


I think it might be able to code a scar function that allows for larger squads, like "Annihilate Battle" option or such.

[horusheretic]

is persistent bodies going to be enabled

not likely, it will add considerable slowdowns.

[CrTy]

So ... what s new ??
In what stage is the mod ..... is t going to take long till it will be done ??

[horusheretic]

Base Coding: normalising the code and such.
quite a bit done, though still needs finishing and testing.
still abilities, weapons and the odd bit here and there to be done.

Special coding: the stuff we will actually add like special weapons and armours, extra abilities...

Not started till the base code is done.

Campaign:
halted untill all the units have there stats and weapons sorted.

Model wise:
not much from the last preview, although ill probably sneek in a peek for you later.

aside from that im quite busy with RL matters atm :/

all that aside: Chaos rising is out soon so Progress will likely pick up heavily after that.

edit:


some semblance of sternguard marines coming together.

armour upgrades now visually changing for the FC when you upgrade them.

[Fulcaris]

storm bolter on powered armoured marines = <3
but personally i liked how they command squad have it in FOK holding it 2handed it looks a bit unnatural too me

[horusheretic]

the SB is located in that handed, other wise it doesnt look right.

if theres a way to change it, we would. but for now cant untill we are able to change the models.

[horusheretic]

implementing wargear that changes based on squad level for multi player and skirmish, rather than having an online achievement system

also squads will get access to bonuses and such depending on level. the higher the level they reach which will make you think more about preserving your squads to aim for the high rollers... literally.

squad bonuses will be different per squad type too.

Currently this is for the tactical marines, as its still under implementation

[horusheretic]

a quick test thing using the default models



untill i add some warp magic to them they'll do for now

sort of improved gk terminator for dow 2

[Khorney]

shouldn't GK termies have blue eyes?

just to be a pain in the ass =P

[horusheretic]

Is there a pic any more gloryfied than that? you'll like the next cookie crumbler



never mind the textures.. they obviously need reworking ofcourse

little update:

[Shuma]

Also, if you don't have a texturer send me a PM, i've never done a real texturing job for a Mod(just some private mods here and there to give the FC a beard ) but i always wanted to try my hand at something like this.

[horusheretic]

i'd also spam up lots of piccies of the new dread weaponry and such but its been seen before!

oh, and i love Relic for using the forge world chaos dread model..

it means i can put my chaos dread bad boys to use and have dedicated dreads.

ive also seen that we can have Metal Boxes ingame XD

Speaking of Metal Boxes, weve other goodies such as the vindicator and razorback weapons to add

[Shuma]

Well then start posting pictures the Heretek Cabal forums are pretty dead right now. By the way, what's the plan with the mod? Are you planning to add new races, or are the Grey Knights/Sisters going to be new units for the SM/inevitable IG?

[Robatech]

those are looking amazing.

[SpardaSon21]

I hope that the next expansion adds Tau as well, and not just IG. The Blood Ravens are on the Eastern Fringe after all, and the Tau just love to stick their noses in everything.

[horusheretic]

Well then start posting pictures the Heretek Cabal forums are pretty dead right now. By the way, what's the plan with the mod? Are you planning to add new races, or are the Grey Knights/Sisters going to be new units for the SM/inevitable IG?

well since the races are limited, im thinking of havint the guard and GKthrown in as a seperate race under the SM.

so you'll likely have a choice to choose SM, or IG and allies. ill need to talk it through with MK though.

[Fallschirmjager]

yah, change those eyes to blue horus! blue eyes are a trademark of GK's.

I dont know if you should go a long with the dirty-metal look to their armor, i always imagined GK's having bright silver armor with blood splattered here and there, with a halo around them.

[Shuma]

Yep, that IS how Grey Knights roll. In armor made of concentrated Purity and Glory.

[horusheretic]

some people need to do more

never mind the textures.. they obviously need reworking ofcourse

this line sits right between the piccies

[Khorney]

hit me up if you want some help texturing thta badboy. i think i've still got the files from the justicar lying around here somewhere

[horusheretic]

of, course feel free to

i'd need to map the parts on to a new map.

the textures are different from dow1 style in a few respects though.

well since the races are limited, im thinking of havint the guard and GKthrown in as a seperate race under the SM.

so you'll likely have a choice to choose SM, or IG and allies. ill need to talk it through with MK though.

Ok weve discussed it and the results are going to be:

SM faction becomes the imperium of man faction.

the hero you choose determines the faction you play.

Hero's will be:

Force commander: SM race. that includes the apothecary and techmarine as sub heros. they should still be able to have there own wargear upgrades as previous.

GK Grandmaster: IG and GK as allied.
since the IG currently do not have a worthy hero atm ¬¬

3rd hero will eventually be the canoness. for you guessed it

[DeusImperator]

Awesome, it just needs more bling and it will be properly ready !

A pity there are no techpriests. They could go well with IG, while the GK and Sisters would naturally form an Inquisition faction (with Deathwatchers).
But well, the Developer chat did mention that new race files for modders might be included. That would be a great opportunity for unique IG or Inquisition race.


Anyway, nice update.

EDIT: I made wargears for the Librarian as a hero for Wrath of the Blood Ravens mod. I am willing to allow this mod to use it.

[horusheretic]

thanks, though we are likely to add in our own



metahl bawkses!

[Shuma]

MY GOD THOSE BOXES ARE INCREDIBLY METALIC!

[horusheretic]

my latest endeavour!



only just started, and i need sleep. but ill be working on that through most of the day

hopefully it will be done by then

[horusheretic]

cant sleep

[Fallschirmjager]

very cool!

ah, didnt see the texture part. well, bang on then.
The "imperium of man" race sounds like a good idea imo. Would the Space Marines get a command squad that has an apothecary since he's not a hero?

[Khorney]

nice.

[BattleBrotherMo]

teh grey knights look chaosy to me, but still totally freaking awesome

[potemkis]

And yet none of you cease to amaze and astound us!

@ HorusHeretic- Where did you find that blueprint of the Land Raider? I've been looking for something like that. Preferably for BFG ships, but anything WH40K would work...

[horusheretic]

blue prints are a common thing in the imperial armour books

i'll be using them to make leman russes and such. usually i'd do it by eye and take half the day tweaking the model to get it looking right. that's one thing i'm not looking forward to with the sentinel, all that's relatively easier to model than some of the other things i've done

Still havent slept ¬¬




extra armour upgrade

[thudmeizer]

DoW2 SM will get their majestic LR once more!!

[horusheretic]

so will chaos .

since this is mostly modelled now... i might just start on a leman russ get some good old fashioned fiyah powah in for the men

[Calgar]

horus may i ask: do you ever rest? eat? drink? sleep? or are you some sort of moddeling god?

and LRaider looks good and cant wait for the Lruss

[Khorney]

how in gods name do you intend to get that in game though?

[horusheretic]

horus may i ask: do you ever rest? eat? drink? sleep? or are you some sort of moddeling god?

i eat sleep etc like most people do. sleeping not so much. my time in this world is limited, so i decide to sleep a quarter the time.

im running on hyper power currently. ive learned to switch it on and off on the fly XD.

it comes in handy when i havent slept in a day or 7

how in gods name do you intend to get that in game though?

people said there was going to be no importer, or exporter. yet i carried on modelling anyway. failure or success, i will continue to do what i like to do

even if nothing good comes of the models, they are my creation. my children of passion and creativity realised. ok im gonna stop there before i go all warped and twisted.