lorankorn's models

[loran korn]

The Legacy of Loran Korn

The following notes were written by Loran Korn himself

The following models were made to beef up CoH's weapon and vehicle arsenal and to enhance game play. These models were made for you players out there.
Although the basic models are my work these new toys are the result of the combined efforts from members of the dev team of N44.

Special thanks:

- to Relic for this wonderful game
- to Sweeten, a dear friend who is the leader of our team
- to Tankdestroyer, who used to be our lead-animator
- to Halftrack for all his generous help
- to Beefy for his valuable contributions (UV mapping, model tune ups, animation)
- to DMz whose models reflect on his special talent
- to Geo, a friend and very talented 2D artist
- to Roeben from the German community for helping me with animation
- to Ninja for his great icons
- to Xalibur for his wonderful skinpack and other little arts

Thank you all, for this I could not do without you.

Models :

M1917 US Enfield "Doughboy" rifle
This weapon model comes with its own custom sound and fixed physics (thanks Sweeten)

http://www.mediafire.com/?moyrmrmmq0y

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M20 Recon and Command vehicle

http://www.mediafire.com/?zzmjw0luqmk

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M4 Sherman Jumbo

http://www.mediafire.com/?odlnqymcniz

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Machine Gun pack
The pack contains the MG34 German light machine gun, the M1919A6 US light machine gun and the ZB26 Chech made light machine gun in German service. The models come with their custom sounds.

http://www.mediafire.com/?jn5qojmttzu

Sten Mk. 5 submachinegun

http://www.mediafire.com/?xkzogzneolq

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Sten MK. 5 with custom sound
These new weapons work best with my loop_sound_mod but this download s for those who dont use that mod.

http://www.mediafire.com/?wbmyorwmznc

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M4A3 Sherman 76mm

http://www.mediafire.com/?azywy2kyn1n

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Kar98k Sniper Rifle
Although there is a model-mix Sniper Mauser this is a completely new model. A soldier ebps (armed with this weapon) is added for easy integration into any mod you are playing with.

http://www.mediafire.com/?uyznzdwmjm1

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M1 Carbine
Full woodstock. The ebps of the rifleman_sergeant is added to the pack. Of course with basic knowledge of Corsix you can add this weapon to the troop of your choice. Since the M1A1 Carbine in game is incorrectly called M1 Carbine, this weapon bears the file names "M1 Carabine".

http://www.mediafire.com/?yujqyztduyx

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PaK40

http://www.filefront.com/16594173/pak40.rar

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LeIG 18 75mm and 75mm Pack Howitzer

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RS1E2Q70

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M21 Mortar Halftrack & 50 Cal AA MG Nest

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5QQ764IF

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M21 Hotfix

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NP96YQZ0

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Proper Weapon Fix - M21

http://forums.relicnews.com/showpost...postcount=1097

Grille M & Nashorn

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OD0AHAI6

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SdKfz 251/2

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SUIO5NB5

PaK 36

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HHV62UHF

SdKfz 251/7

http://www.filefront.com/16796009/SdKfz_251_7.rar/

Skins - Pak 36 and SdKfz 251/7

http://rapidshare.com/files/401233863/Geo36_sdk15_7.rar

Post with Nashorn Shell

http://forums.relicnews.com/showpost...postcount=1151

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Detailed "FPS type weapons"

http://www.mediafire.com/?zlbzttn1ogq

Enjoy!

[WartyX]

Very nice, I don't think I've ever seen Milkshape models look so good.

[denki_groove]

first great sounds and now weapons? nice... scoped k98, mg34.... hope you lern fast and we can see them skinned

[BurroDiablo]

Great work Loran

[loran korn]

Thanks. I really wanna make PAK 40. Gotta tell you though I have a hard time finding reference material. I Normandy I saw two of those on display and never once got the chance to take photos of various angles. So I will have to work by drawings and blueprints found on the net. Why is a gun so much more trouble to make than a infantry weapon? At least for me.

[newcomer]

awesome work on the M1919 and MG34, would love to see them ingame

[Gamerisin]

hi Loran...jojo...now models mmm...

Nice work,I would also like to see them ingame,btw,I heard some of your sounds from EF mod and...I got to say...I'm disappointed

Hahahaha....no I'm kidding mate,just teasing you...the Mosin is great,still need to hear the others but I really liked the Mosin and the T-34 hull mg

Can u PM wich sounds did u made so I can have an idea of what to expect on the release

[loran korn]

@newcomer
I am gonna have to make a 600-tris model out of a 13.000 tris detailed one! But I reckon they still gonna look ok.

[eliw00d]

Holy crap! An M1919A6 would be truly amazing, and fill in so many gaps! The other models are amazing as well, I can't wait to see them in game!

[sweeten2213]

Very nice, Loran!

Did't know you were multi-talented.

You asked if people were interested...ahhh....hell yeah!

You'll have help from my team as well.

As a matter of fact, I'll PM you soon.

[hnunez]

do you have any plans to also include the The M1919 Browning is a .30 caliber medium machinegun:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1919_Browning_machine_gun

because i really think that the game would really be much better if it were included.

[loran korn]

Actually there is one in the files I dont know why is it there or whether it works but among the prop items there is a tripod mounted 30 cal.

[Celution]

Fantastic work loran! I really hope you can get them ingame.

[SasiMuel]

Wonderful!!!!

[loran korn]

Thanx. I am just getting familiar with the recommened tris (face count) and I think I am gonna have to rethink my approach. I am doing some low-poly stuff as we speak, like the MG34 and the M1919A6 30cal. I guess I am just a detail-maniac and this aint gonna take me nowhere should I wanna get my models ingame.
It is not an "if" actually. It is a "when". And I hope it is also a "soon".

[Aidas2]

I already made the Mg34 Coh fit for N44 and TD is working on it and the M1919 is already ingame, just not finished, but they are very nicely done

[sgt.davis]

I absolutely love the De-Lisle Carbine(thats what it is right?) and the howitzer! Ive wanted to make a request for that howitzer(forgot the name)
Great work

[Mirage Knight]

Nice work there loran korn!

On the topic of Howitzers, I'd love to see a proper 10.5 cm leFH 18/40 ingame - as opposed to that...thing...that Relic included in TOV.

Also, is there any chance of seeing a 7.5 cm PaK40?

[loran korn]

PAK40 is a must! Or even a Pak43! I have detailed photos of an intact Pak43 I made in Normandy and I would like do one. My problem is, I am a Milkshape person so I am only learning how to UV Map in Max. Will take some time before I get it right but I am on it.

[DemoSS]

Good work, loran! How many tris in your De Lisle? Maybe I could UV map it and skin if you want.. And then you could attach the custom sound for it.

[Sturmhaubitze]

Awesome work, Loran! I especially love the M1919A6, as I was getting tired of giving my US Para Rifles the BAR instead of their proper LMG.

Or even a Pak43! I have detailed photos of an intact Pak43 I made in Normandy and I would like do one.

Can it be the proper PaK43 with cruciform mount? The PaK43/41 on the 41 wheeled carriage was just a temporary expedient, and the cruciform looks much cooler.

[loran korn]

Even though I thought of rolling down the poly count and then screeny it I forgot. I think it is still a little high Demo, something like 500+ but "just for a weapon" I think it is too many. So I will have to redo the thing again. I am working on the MG34 and I have already finished with the 30cal. The latter turned out to be 638 tris. I think I will live with that considering that I made it from my original which is over 13 thousand polies! The MG34... I try to keep under 500. Thank you for the offer. I am only learning as we speak how to handle Max and I am such a noob it will take some time. The customs sounds are already sitting and waiting all ready to roll.

Is this what you mean Sturm? Its probably even better to make than the rolling type.

[eliw00d]

Yes, that is the cruciform Sturm was talking about.

I can only assume that it would also be an easy model to bring to the game, since you could probably model mix it with the FlaK36 and use existing animations/crew. I don't know much about that process, but that seems to be the current trend.

[Gamerisin]

why not have both? I mean...the germans could have it as a new defensive weapon just like the 88...it can be doctrine specific in mods an the moving one can also be used as doctrine or call in...what do you think???

[Sturmhaubitze]

In the case of the PaK43, you'll need new animations since it doesn't have the same seats as the FlaK36. There's one seat on the left side of the gun, for the gunner, which can be seen in that picture just below the hand crank. The loader can stand on the right side, 'pretending' to have his feet on an imaginary plate at the base of the gun. Any additional crew will just be standing around the gun like normal.

The PaK43/41 would operate just like a regular PaK38 when it comes to animations.

[Mirage Knight]

On the PaK 43, you could have it as an emplace-able weapon for Wehr Defensive...operating much like the Brit's 16 Pounder without the need for a facing ability

[eliw00d]

I think the PaK40 should take priority, though, as it was much more numerous and much desired!

[DACV]

I'll take them all

Awesome work loran

[Ninja117]

I think you should mostly work on the Handheld Browning and the PaK43 (The one thats fixed to the ground)

It Would make a good replacement for the 88 in the defensive doctrine seeing as it is used twice (Once for the Defensive Doctrine and once for Luftwaffe Tactics)

[sweeten2213]

@ Loran - you don't have to worry about the Pak 40 - I'll pm you why

@ Public - there will be a pak 40 available at some point soon - no worries

[eliw00d]

@ Loran - you don't have to worry about the Pak 40 - I'll pm you why

@ Public - there will be a pak 40 available at some point soon - no worries

Ah! That's right, I had forgotten. Then, a PaK43 would be sexcellent!

Since you are working on infantry support weapons, here are some ideas:

Walther P38
Hafthohlladung
Gammon Bomb
Kz 8cm GrW42
7,5cm LG40
7,5cm leIG18
15cm sIG33
M1C Sniper Rifle

[sweeten2213]

7,5cm leIG18
15cm sIG33

I second these, plus that 105mm Pack Howie I belive you have up there

[Sturmhaubitze]

I third the leIG18 and sIG33. Not only were they used as artillery, but were also wheeled into position and fired over open sights directly at targets. If it held up the advance of the German infantry, the battalion/regimental Infantry Gun Platoon was called up to blast the enemy out of its hiding place.

The GrW42 Kurz is the shortened 8cm mortar used by the Fallschirmjäger, so of use to any modder who wants more authenticity with their FJs. The drawback to the lighter mortar was reduced range over the regular GrW34 model.

The 7.5cm LG40 was a recoilless rifle only a little bit larger than a tripod-mounted MG42. It was also used by the Fallschirmjäger, as both an anti-tank weapon and an infantry gun for knocking out defensive positions. This little sucker packs quite a punch for something that can be picked up and carried around like an HMG/Mortar.

[loran korn]

I made the Mg34 and the M1919A6 in "low" poly but the MG34 is still 670tris and the 30cal is 628. Can we live with that? Or is it way too high still?

[loran korn]

568-poly, I can't do any better than that or no details left. Should it be low-poly enough for a support weapon then we have an MG34 I would say.

[DemoSS]

I think even 700 tris would be OK if it isn't a mass used weapon (like SMGs, rifles). Some of mine models are about 600 tris in average, but with the addons (scopes etc.) the count of the tris is about 650-700..

[loran korn]

R U saying then it should be ok in your opinion? Cuz then I will have to map the thing. Custom sounds are all ready for it.
Do I have to make a Lafette version of it too, or can it be model mixed with the MG42 stand?

I really want to see MG34s on a Lafette ingame. Those were used all to the end and many MGs in Normandy were 34s. The bunkers and museums are all full of those in Normandy and I have seen hundreds of pictures showing MG-nests with MG34-Lafette in them.

I was advised that infantry weapons should not go over 200-300 tris but damned if I can make anything that low-poly. I tried optimizing in max but I am such a noob I can't do it. Even by watching tuts on it. Maybe they cannot be any more simplified...
The scoped mauser I can make within an 800 boundary, the DeLisle about 450 but I can't for the life of mine go with 200-300.

[DemoSS]

As you wish.. I think it's normal for the support weapons. But I don't know the results while playing with it online..

So, what about the De Lisle? I think 450 tris perfect for it..

[sgt.davis]

Especially considering it wasnt mass used and wouldnt be so in game. In the end it shouldnt be a problem.

[Angelic]

I think, you should really keep it as low as possible, also skinning will add alot of details

[loran korn]

The skin (with a good normal map) will only add surface details but there are 3d details I would hate to lose. The weapon's characteristics demand that certain things are not overlooked.
I will eventually get it. There is a lot of thinking envolved where you put every vertex and face when building a model.

The DeLisle can be simplified still, I will do it, but first we have an Eastern Front deadline so I dont have as much time on my hand as I would like. The DeLisle will be a nice addition I am sure. Its a must for the British commandos. It is stealthy yet adds distance and accuracy. I really wanna try those in game.

Every model will come with its custom sounds too, now that we figured how to link rgo-bsc-smf!

[eliw00d]

Take a look at the Relic models, and try to emulate the external details they used. As said before, skins can be used to make the detail, and you won't be zoomed in all the way on troops to necesitate an extraordinary amount of external detail, anyways. It just takes some finesse.

[loran korn]

i guess you right.
aint that funny about jorge's walter? you just mentioned it like yesterday. great model too! i love it.

[TigerTanker]

Nice, I like it alot. Hope you'll be able to put 'em ingame.

[eliw00d]

i guess you right.
aint that funny about jorge's walter? you just mentioned it like yesterday. great model too! i love it.

That is definitely funny!

I love the 75mm Pack Howitzer, by the way! I think you'd be the best man for the job for the 7,5cm leIG18 and 15cm sIG33.

Also, the Gammon Bomb and Shaped Charge were just thoughts I had for simplicity, since they wouldn't need to be animated or anything (AFAIK?) but would be nice to have instead of recycling other grenade graphics.

And I agree about the MG34 on a tripod, that would be ideal. I might even go so far as to replace nearly all vehicle weapons with the MG34.

[loran korn]

Many think the MG34 came obsolete when the MG42 got in production. But its wrong. My MG34 (I have a weapon collection and you will not believe what trouble I got though to legalize it here in Gran Canaria, Spain!) came from a weapon stash from the Ukraine where it was delivered along with other 932 of them for the Eastern Front. In 1944! It was produced in 1943 and it is a "dot". So even thought in 1943 the MG42 was mass produced the MG34 still had its use. Many turret MGs were 34s but we dont have that in the game. My girlfriend's mom is a house nurse in Germany and was taking care of an 88 year old man who served in the SS in the Eastern Front. He died this summer but we had long talks about his experiences. He, among other things, told me how they hated some of their own hardware. He said that an MG gunner would replace his MG42 for a 34 any time and how they didnt like the 42 as it was a ammo waster and had no selector meaning had no single-shot capability.
Like I said I saw with my own eyes a lot of MG34s in Normandy (well, archived pictures inside the bunkers) so in the summer of 1944 they were widely used on all fronts.
Besides, I love the sound of the 34 and the ones I made and included in my mod is the sound of my own MG34. It is an awesome sounding weapon I think. Its also pretty if I you know what I mean.

[eliw00d]

Many think the MG34 came obsolete when the MG42 got in production. But its wrong. My MG34 (I have a weapon collection and you will not believe what trouble I got though to legalize it here in Gran Canaria, Spain!) came from a weapon stash from the Ukraine where it was delivered along with other 932 of them for the Eastern Front. In 1944! It was produced in 1943 and it is a "dot". So even thought in 1943 the MG42 was mass produced the MG34 still had its use. Many turret MGs were 34s but we dont have that in the game. My girlfriend's mom is a house nurse in Germany and was taking care of an 88 year old man who served in the SS in the Eastern Front. He died this summer but we had long talks about his experiences. He, among other things, told me how they hated some of their own hardware. He said that an MG gunner would replace his MG42 for a 34 any time and how they didnt like the 42 as it was a ammo waster and had no selector meaning had no single-shot capability.
Like I said I saw with my own eyes a lot of MG34s in Normandy (well, archived pictures inside the bunkers) so in the summer of 1944 they were widely used on all fronts.
Besides, I love the sound of the 34 and the ones I made and included in my mod is the sound of my own MG34. It is an awesome sounding weapon I think. Its also pretty if I you know what I mean.

Agreed on all counts. But, you have to remember that this game was designed based on Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers, or merely for the Hollywood factor, so liberties were taken for creative purposes. That is what we modders are here for, though.

I look forward to seeing your MG34 in game, as well as the M1919A6. Hopefully, we can get the M1919A4 in game as well (much more common than A6).

Oh, by the way, another suggestion would be the American 81mm Mortar M1. A German 8cm GrW34 can not be used as they are totally different in appearance.

[jorge2125]

Don´t worry (that much) about the polygons number...
Now how the hell you legalised a MG34 in Spain?

[Mirage Knight]

Oh, by the way, another suggestion would be the American 81mm Mortar M1. A German 8cm GrW34 can not be used as they are totally different in appearance.

I'll second that one! Any chance of seeing a 12cm GrW42 as well?

[loran korn]

@jorge
Its tricky. But I wont discuss this on the air. I PM you though.

So the poly-count isnt that big of a deal you say?