Ship size comparisons

[Tommix]

Hi!
I found a website with Macross, Star Wars, Babylon and Star Trek ship size comparisons here:

http://mughi3.freeservers.com/photo3.html

...just thought it might come in handy for some of you .

[Aldat]

bs, ssd is much bigger than that
a regular star destroyer is about 20km long
and a ssd dwarves them by far

[JAL-18]

You're insane kid. Every single source out there is in agreement that the Star Destroyer is 1600 meters long, ergo 1.6 kilometers, ergo 1 mile.

It's the Executer commandship/battlecruiser that people have problems with. (17.5 km, thank you very much.)

[Thrakki]

Nope, even that's wrong. The Executor (AKA Super Star Destroyer) is 8 km long, or 5 miles in length.

The Eclipse Star Destroyer, which isn't on that site, is 17.5 km in length, or nearly 11 miles long. And now I have verified myself as a dork.

[Alex Drake]

Ugh, not another one of these debates. Ok, lets get something straight; EVERY single canon (canon = official) source states the length of the executor to be 17.5km long. Alot of the confusion comes from some of the Dark Horse comics, which mistakenly calculate the Exec's length to be 5 times the size of a Star-Destroyer (ie; roughly 7-8km). Also, several novels mistakenly use this figure as well. These are incorrect and also not canon (just because it ahs the starwars stamp on it doen't make it canon, in general the term is applied to the movies and official reference material provided by Lucasarts, not its affiliates or contracted authors). If you even look at the movie, you can easilly see that the exec is far longer then 5x the length of an ISD (The seen where the Exec towers over a pair of ISDs below it). Go get an OFFICIAL tech manual if you dont believe [us]. This has been debated and debated again here and many other places.

[Amur_Tiger]

I seem to remeber seeing a page that included homeworld ships as well, does anyone know where that is?

[JAL-18]

I was hoping I wouldn't have to resort to the Star Wars Technical Commentaries...

[Aldat]

*ahem* when a sd is described as being the size of a city, that generally means that it would be a little bigger than 1 mile long
as well as the fact that just a victory(the smaller earlier version of sd) holds 4 at-at(atleast, the chaemera, Thrawn's flagship, deployed 4 at-ats in a raid on the deserted base of Talon Karde, and yes, it is not a victory class[will verify when i get my book back from my roommate]) 8 at-st(something like that) and atleast a garrison's worth of ground troops(about double what you saw in the attack on the hoth base) not including any naval troops(meaning the stormtroopers that do guard duty etc) as well as holding well over 80 tie fighters, quite a few assault shuttles, and the dropships for the previously mentioned ground forces

all that and they still have room in the hanger to hold a corellian corvette easily

as well, it holds housing and supplies for some 60k troops for some odd years worth of time

the 3 sds around the Maw installation stayed completely out of contact for something around 10 years, recieving no supplies, no news, no orders, NOTHING.... until about the time that the new jedi academy on yavin was established, they didn't even know of the defeat of the empire, the thrawn uprising, or even the destruction of the first deathstar, as grand moff tarkin was the only person in the outside world that new about the installation, and we all know what happened to him now don't we?

in other words, they stayed out of contact from before the first deathstar was completed to the establishment of the new jedi academy

all 3 of those sds are described as being victory class sds, which as i said earlier were quite smaller than the imperator and later sds

fyi: the maw installation is the hidden science outpost established by grand moff tarkin to research new weapons for the empire, they brought about the construction of such things as the original deathstar, the world devastators and the quite literally indestructable sun crusher

DO NOT CHALLENGE MY AUTHORITY...or i will be forced to contact my uber starwars geek friend who knows everything about anything in the star wars universe...even the name of the jawa that argued with luke about the defective droid, and his entire life story...

oh, and excuse my earlier post, i was in error, i meant to say that an ssd is about 20km long
an sd is about 3-5, depending on the class

oh and thraki, the ecplise class sd is called the eclipse for a reason, it was much larger than 17km
i do not have the exact number right now as i do not have access to the canon starwars encyclopedia that holds such figures at the time of writing this post, but i will be sure to get the actual leangth of it asap

[SvK]

DO NOT CHALLENGE MY AUTHORITY

excuse my earlier post, i was in error

I looked for Chad Wilson's site, but couldn't find it. I did, however, remember this site.

http://www.merzo.net/

Jeff Russell is the man.

[TacticalVirus]

hmm, I've seen this discussion on other board when people were making models of said ships, and guess what, you're a tard if you think you've got the right numbers!

/edit oh and SVK, his measurements are off on the trek ships, but that's what you get when you use fan-sites to come up with measurements...

[Jewegee]

Aldat- Actually, you're wrong, and you shouldn't be so sure you're right. ISD's carry 9.6k troops, 72 tie fighters ( as well as support ships), 20 AT AT's and they are 1600 m long. Look it up if you don't beleive me. This is the information offered in the Guide to vehicles and ships, the game Rebellion, and also in various book. These are agreed upon measurements.

The SSD is where there is contraversy. The guidbook to ships and vehicles says 8000, others say 17500. I am more tempted to say 17500. ( Look at the scale in the movie, and the amount of firepower the damn thing has.) Either way its a moot point considering none of this is real.

[SvK]

TacticalVirus: I don't trust official Star Trek sources very much. Trek fan sites have several explanations of how official sizes are ridiculous.

[Ta_erog]

Thank GOD someone said that! It is Bloody Sci-Fi fiction!!! written by all sorts of people, some of which don’t even know how an Electric typewriter works!!
And movie FX are notorious for making the shot look good and throwing out any concept of size consistency . . and every thing else if need be . .
People are so Funny!!

Originally posted by SvK
TacticalVirus: I don't trust official Star Trek sources very much. Trek fan sites have several explanations of how official sizes are ridiculous.

[VTS]

my own too cents, not getting into the argument of what is what..

but here is one of the best sites i've seen for size comparison charts

http://www.merzo.net/

[Avatar of Set]

This is what happens when you start getting into scale descusion. I suggest that you just avoid it.

Generaly, I go with what I see in the movies. But this can be misleading. Take Homeworld for example. In the first sene of HW1 we see the MS complex in orbit from Karak. Judging by the size of the Scafold in the sky we can estimate that the MS is between 18-30km in length. But of corce this isn't so.

Conclusion:

Your all wrong... Get over it.

[FlyingPenguin]

Well, since i don't really care about what the true length of Star War ships, it's nice to know Babylon 5 ships are roughly the same size as ISDs, even though Babylon 5 ships (Earth Alliance ships, maybe others, don't know) have no shields and there fore would die rather quickly.

[SvK]

Wouldn't it be awesome if someone made a mod like VFX people make TV series? Your ships would automatically grow, shrink, gain and lose special abilities, and become more or less powerful in order to achieve maximum dramatic tension.

[Havock]

Originally posted by FlyingPenguin
Well, since i don't really care about what the true length of Star War ships, it's nice to know Babylon 5 ships are roughly the same size as ISDs, even though Babylon 5 ships (Earth Alliance ships, maybe others, don't know) have no shields and there fore would die rather quickly.

depends:

freespace 2 ships are also unshielded (except for the lucifer), but i think that their beam cannons would really put the hurt on any other star destroyer/capship wannabe

[Blue Lion]

Lets NOT get into the even more heated and lengthy discussion of 'whether ship from x tv series/game can kill ship from y tv series/game.'

But while we're at it - as opposed to a certain large and polularly known Star Wars ship, the SD Sathanas can actually destroy stars. So there. :devil:

[Thrakki]

The Sun Crusher from Star Wars can destroy stars too, and it's neither large nor popular (compared to the other Star Wars ships) :c/

[Starfisher]

http://forums.relicnews.com/showthre...&threadid=8043

the thread title is the same, which scared the living crap out of me... not another one of these debates!

Anyway, the above link takes you to a 230 page debate about the absolute size of Homeworld1 ships. Relic stated that the figters are roughly sized the same as modern day jets, and from there trembal_ca managed to build up an absolute size of the other ships.

Of course before they settled it I had already dug myself deeply into the position that those fighters would have to be at least twice the size of a modern day jet, if only to account for fuel and ammunition concerns. My error was that I was arguing from a position of logic (at least I thought so) on a topic that was not beholden to reality in any way. I discovered after Relic interjected that trying to compare two things from ANY universe results in failure.

For instance, the "Sun Crusher" was ridiculous on so many levels that it defied comprehension, but then so is much of Star Wars "science". It's fake, and doesn't even try to be realistic, and therefore can be anything it wants. Freespace seemed to try harder at creating the illusion of reality and so its ships are somewhat more in tune with the laws of our universe. Though anyone who has seen how fast those huge capital ships can turn, or looked at the much slower than light "laser turrets" would quickly realize that the rules were different.

My rambling point: Do NOT compare ANYTHING from different universes and expect anything more than what amounts to a shouting match between 6 years olds disguised as technical nerdy discussion.

"Mine's better!"
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[IskatuMesk]

A standard Xy`Kranashian light frigate would dwarf any ship(s) in SW and B5, as well as have the ability to shred them before they even see it. End of discussion. Go home now.

[SvK]

Nobody seems to be getting the point.