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Sure thing! It should simplify things to have everything in one ABP.
Also, Medes has been hard at work and sent me the Panther Ausf. G parts earlier. This is the result of our work on the Panther variants:
Panther Ausf. D (d2)
Panther Ausf. A
Panther Ausf. G
Also, I figured while we were at it, we could fix the barrel as well:
#1452
Great looking tigers eli! Is there a version for both the MG42 or MG34, or just the MG34?
Oh, I didn't see the panthers posts above here, they both look great! I will see if I can get someone to model a proper muzzle break for them, cos the vanilla one kinda fails. Could you also fix that the panther's barrel is always slightly elevated into the air, or did you mean that with the barrel fix?
It's the same turret gunner I've used on everything, so it will be the same as those.
#1454
Edited my post above.
No, the edit was the muzzle brake... I can look into the barrel being too high.
@Eli: About the Panther G version, do you (or medes) also the late type "Kinnblende" (chin mantled) and/or eventually even the rimmed steel weels? Can't see, if the new cooler is on the engine deck. The Panthers are looking really awesome. Great work!
Edit: Yepp the barrel fix is a good idea.
#1457
That would be really nice, also didn't the Ausf G's have shorter mudguards at the front?
LOL, on relics Panther is something wrong, even the first "Kettenschürze".
@Jagdpanther
I didn't take a picture of it, but we did make the "chin" mantlet. The steel rimmed wheels can just be a skin, same for the Tiger. What do you mean about "new cooler on the engine deck"? Can you show me some pictures of the difference?
Is the front skirt piece supposed to be square, like here:
http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/...%28late%29.htm
If so, I can fix that...
The same thing that relic use for the Jagdpanther, the left cooler on the rear engine deck.
I can search for a better picture if you need.
Oh! I didn't even notice that. But you said that it's already on the Jagdpanther? I can probably just mix it, then.
You know, it's funny. All this time and I never even thought of looking at the Jagdpanther for parts... doh!
Are the skirts correct on the Jagdpanther?
The Panther and especially the Jagdpanther are since a very long time my absolute favorites, so I have many material about.
Edit:
Here I have found some infos over the various exhaust pipe versions and none of them are field modifications.
Here are some excellent G (late) version (model) pictures.
Sorry have overloocked this. More or less yes, but the plates are having normally all the same size. But if you can use the complete body for mixing, this will be the best solution, since relics Jagdpanther is based on the late model G Panther, so the body changes (angel of sloped armor) is correct. This has totally changed after the A version. You can see this on the rear side part.Are the skirts correct on the Jagdpanther?
Left an A version, right an G version
Last edited by Jagdpanther; 16th Jan 11 at 1:42 PM.
panther G gun mantlet was fixed to stop shells hitting the trap shot.. meaning shells hitting the gun mantlet on the panthers the shell would bounce down into the hull .. this was fixed with the G's shield.
Not all Panther Ausf. G's had chin mantlets. But as I said earlier, it has been made - just not pictured. It will be toggled via state (chin_mantlet: on/off).
That's fully correct. Only the body changes comes with the G version. All other (various) modifications comes later, step by step.Not all Panther Ausf. G's had chin mantlets. But as I said earlier, it has been made - just not pictured. It will be toggled via state (chin_mantlet: on/off).
You make my happy Eli.
I've been looking at the Jagdpanther, and it does not have a different hull than the Panther (in terms of Relic models). So, I might ask Medes - when he has time - to make a simple mesh that can be attached to the hull. Otherwise, the hulls are too similar to need such a big change.
Yepp, could be, its only the side and rear part with the engine compartment and exhausts. You both make it so as you think it's the best. About relics model, it's only a model and not the reality in there it is well visible.
Btw. I had done a look into the abp's of the Panther and Jagdpanther. Do you have an idea, why there the Panther has defined only 3 weels but the Jagdpanther 4 of them? What does this mean?
Nice to see all those new tanks being released.
Great work on all of them.
#1469
Can't you use the vanilla Tiger cupola for the Panther Ausf D, or is it the same already?
i dont think that you will add the "Nahverteidigungwaffe2 to the Tiger or Panther right?
http://www.custermen.net/nahvert/nah.htm
http://hq-coh.com/forum/index.php/topic,20769.0.html
(if anybody interested to create a late Tiger I model try this:
http://www.cohmods.com/tiger-i-late-t167.html)
#1471
Wow, the Tigers and Panthers are coming along great. If i understand correctly, both early and late versions of the Tiger will be in the one model, and we'll be able to toggle stuff on and off via a state? Same for the Panthers?
@Celestial
It's not the same cupola. Is there something you see wrong with the one we're using?
@19.PzGrDiv
Those are already built into the Relic models.
@Lethal Dosage
Well, it's one model that is mixed with the original Relic model, but yes it is all toggled via states.
nope
the late had one single launcher
above the loaders hatch at the rear of the Turret
it had a fire angle of 360 degrees and could fire Smoke and shrapnells
Feel free to model it, then. It could also be added via skin. I've already finished the Tiger and don't plan on adding any more to it, sorry.
That detail is too small to add it into the mesh. All it needs is a diffuse and normal map change, or just the diffuse. Also won't be visible unless you zoom in, so even that's not really necessary.
This is just for you, Jagdpanther.
The exhaust is straight from the Jagdpanther, and although it has an extra piece on top, it should be the exact same exhaust otherwise, so I think we can live with it being slightly "upgraded".
You make good use of the little addons.
@Eli: Many, many thanks mate, it looks really good. This exhaust type was also used by some Panthers, since most Panthers was produced in a factory they even produce the Jagdpanther. So it's fully correct.
Good to hear!
It may seem like the Germans have been getting quite the special treatment lately, but I would like to inform everyone that Medes and I have started working on the following Allied variants:
M4 (aka Sherman I)
M4(105)
M4A1 (aka Sherman II)
M4A1(76)W
Sherman IC
M4A2 (aka Sherman III)
M4A3
M4A4 (aka Sherman V)
Sherman VC
We should have some stuff to show for it soon, but just thought I'd let you all know that the Allies are getting some new variants of their own!
i'm still having a couple of issues with the black splotches on the brummbar, the supplied occlusion map doesn't seem to fix it =/
replacing it with blank, white or 50% grey maps doesn't seem to make a difference
wait did you say medes? the DoW modeller? say hi for me =)
I think someone released a fixed diffuse file some pages back for the Sturmpanzer IV, as the supplied diffuse files lacked an alpha. I am going to try and get the old textures fixed and re-release them. But, for now, you'll have to find your own solution. It's only a missing alpha, so it shouldn't be too hard to fix (I hope).
And yeah, Medes - I'll tell him that you said hi.
The Sherman versions you make will be in the 76mm and 75mm versions or only the 75mm version?
Since the turrets are not different for a Sherman M4A1 then for a M4A3 right?
You'd be surprised at how varied the Sherman models were. What seems like a small advance in nomenclature (M4 -> M4A1) is a drastic change in appearance. However, luckily for us, there were a lot of standard features across the models, so at least we aren't modeling nine new vehicles, just mixing and matching parts across them. The only models with a 76mm Gun are those marked as such, for example: M4A1(76)W, M4A3(76)W. Also, the British added a "C" to the mark of a vehicle if it carried the 17-pounder, so for example: Sherman IC, Sherman VC, Achilles IC, Achilles IIC. Lastly, a few were armed with the 105mm Howitzer, and were marked like this: M4(105), M4A3(105). Anything else carries only the standard 75mm Gun.
For a better idea of what you'll be seeing, check the following links out:
M4 (aka Sherman I)
M4(105)
M4A1 (aka Sherman II)
M4A1(76)W
M4A2 (aka Sherman III)
M4A3
Sherman V
Sherman VC
I know that Tankdestroyer has already made a Sherman V, but I do not want to have to use his work with my own, so to simplify things I have made my own version. It will include all the British variants in one model, and the remaining variants will be mixed with the American M4A3(75)W.
And for those left scratching theirs heads, thinking, "Bloody yanks!" - don't worry, it was just as confusing for me when I was trying to figure out which production models to use, because even that meant a drastic change in appearance! D: Also, the variant that Relic modeled is the M4A3(75)W, which quickly became the standard (and favorite) American variant due to the combination of features. Also, it was used as a base for the M4A3(105) and M4A3(76)W, which is a first as earlier 105mm and 76mm variants used different hulls than their nomenclature would have suggested.
Last edited by eliw00d; 17th Jan 11 at 3:43 PM.
With all those versions I still have the problem to being unknown which variants are used by the Brit. and which by the US. Army or by both. Even the Sherman "variants" like M10, M36 and so on. Do you have a link where this is listed?
The British used the same variants as the Americans, only under different names. Here is a reference list:
M4 = Sherman I
M4A1 = Sherman II
M4A2 = Sherman III
M4A3 = Sherman IV (not used by British)
M4A4 = Sherman V
The M4A3 became the standard American version - more specifically the M4A3(75)W - and the M4A4 (Sherman V) became the standard British version. Although both countries used large quantities of earlier models because they still had them.
M10 = Achilles I
M10A1 = Achilles II
I am not sure if any M18s were used in British service, but based on the nickname for the M36 - Jackson (after another Civil War General) - leads me to believe that some M36s were used by the British.
Here is some of the work I've done on the Sherman V and VC so far:
Besides changing the OQF 17-pounder out for a 75mm Gun M3, I have also added the pintle mount for an M2HB. I also changed the states around (in preparation for the other variants) so that certain features of the hull do not show up for certain variants (the hull MG was removed on the VC to make room for more 17-pounder shells). Like other tanks I've worked on, it will have the option for either a commander or a gunner.
Last edited by eliw00d; 17th Jan 11 at 5:12 PM.
Wow Eli, that looks really impressive! Did the british have the M2HB? From what i've heard the british variants didn't usually have the top mounted MG's (was there a reason for that btw?)
Sturmhaubitze might be able to shed more light on that than I, but you are right - most British crews removed the M2HB. However, I decided to make it an option if anyone wants or needs it. Also, it uses the same gunner as the Americans, so an M1919A4 can also be used if desired.
Thanks for the infos @Eli, that's help a lot. Do you know if the brits. are using the Calliope or only the US. and on which Shermans (or all?)?
Not sure, but my guess is that they didn't. They did have 60-pound rockets installed on some Sherman turrets, called the Tulip. I think we can find time to model that.
http://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/module...ontent&id=2728
LOL, this looks funny, never seen this before. It would be great, if you can make it.
But I have found another very interesting rocket launcher (T-66 "Honeycomb"), maybe as a counterpart of the german nebelwerfer, but I don't know if it saw any action. Linky
Last edited by Jagdpanther; 17th Jan 11 at 7:35 PM.
ah right, if its the diffuse i can fix that - just needed to know where to look. if i get something that works i'll sned it your way.
psyched about the tulip, that's always struck me as a cool addon.
Actually it was the War Ministry that removed M2HB's, and the tank crews put them back on. Ditto for why the M5 half-tracks were usually unarmed.Sturmhaubitze might be able to shed more light on that than I, but you are right - most British crews removed the M2HB. However, I decided to make it an option if anyone wants or needs it. Also, it uses the same gunner as the Americans, so an M1919A4 can also be used if desired.
Firelfly with M2HB, that's pretty cool.
The NHCmod, a small mod that does a lot of things.
Very nice Fireflys.
Those Sherman V's look really nice.
Your team also intending to make the Sherman IC right?
Sherman IC
Yes, but we will probably use the M4 as a base, and not the M4 Hybrid.
OMG Eli, this means much work for me and other modders.
BTW: If you are working on Shermans with available sandbags could you please make the sandbags as a seperate state, like allready done for me?
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I'm glad! I'm a sucker for variants myself, as variety is the spice of life. I am glad that Medes has offered to help out, I only wish we had some texture artists...
The M4A3(75)W I released should have a sandbag state. As much as I would like to release modified versions of the great M4A3 models that Halftrack and Tankdestroyer have made, I don't have their permission to do so. As for the Sherman variants we are working on, I don't think the British used sandbags on their vehicles, so they won't have that state (especially since they will all be based on the Relic Sherman VC).
... the british often used field modifications with track parts for extra protection:
Tracks, yes, but I'm not sure we need to go that far.
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