*Cries* He's so beautiful! The game of my dreams is becoming a reality thanks to you! =D
*Cries* He's so beautiful! The game of my dreams is becoming a reality thanks to you! =D
Last edited by Melooo; 30th Apr 11 at 11:35 AM.
-++Orks!...Burn the beast!!!...++-
I have read the news in modb. It looks fine.
Are you thinking to include Brotherhood Champion to the staff?.
From GW web: "At the forefront of each Grey Knight Brotherhood fights a single Champion, a warrior who has forsaken all other martial disciplines to pursue perfection with the blade. On the battlefield his chief duty is to act as bodyguard to his Brother-Captain and, if required, sacrifice himself to protect his commander. That said, such a heroic sacrifice is seldom necessary, for only the deadliest (or luckiest) of opponents stand any chance of breaking a Brotherhood Champion's guard, let alone surviving his vengeful return strike."
Not sure about it, it seems to be a GK version of the Emperor's Champion, at first glance i would say that no....but maybe i change my mind later xD
M | WS | BS | S | T | W | I | A | Ld
1 || 1. || 1. || 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1
Another great looking model. Who is responsible for the textures?
@Melooo - quick question: is the new chaos lord model ingame? how about the lightning clawed raptor champion? can guardsmen be armed with autoguns? or conscript models? are textures for Alpha 1 100 percent done?...
@Erd: I did it with around 75% kitbashed from other GK textures by Fleshpoint xD
@Whiteshield: Yes the new chaos lord is in game and raptor champion with lc upgrade is too. About guardsmen or conscripts with autoguns, no, havent put them in game yet and no textures arent 100% finished, there are various stuff that need their texture finished, for example Chaos Vehicles, Renegade Militia, Raptor Jumppack, Chaos Lord Daemon Weapons, Bloodtletters...not sure what else.
Well The Chaos Land Raider was finished by flesh few days after the alpha 1, he is supposed to do rest of chaos vehicles IIRC.
Dude what is the weapon name for the night lord and iron warrior helmet? and also the servo arm. Can't seem to see visual eye candy although they are shown in army painter.
Sorry, know bug in the code, already fixed for next alpha.
IIRC the servo arm bug, is because the addon that upgrades to it, is pointed to modify hardpoint 4 instead of 8 or viceversa.
Anyway if gonna use the Lord with another code in other mod this is what you need to know:
About the Lord different visuals:Code:["hardpoint_weapon_variant_motion_name"] = "Wargear_Upgrade_01" ["name_for_this_weapon_choice"] = "<None>" = None ["name_for_this_weapon_choice"] = "wargear_01" = Jump Pack ["name_for_this_weapon_choice"] = "wargear_02" = Servo ArmThe way i OE coded the model, you cannot pick the IW or NL helmets independently, you have to select either full IW or NL look, and also since the heads are randomized there is only 50% of chance that the special helmet shows, the other 50% is random between bare heads and non legion/god specific helmet.Code:["hardpoint_weapon_variant_motion_name"] = "Marks" ["name_for_this_weapon_choice"] = "Vis_Night_Lords" ["name_for_this_weapon_choice"] = "Vis_Iron_Warriors" ["name_for_this_weapon_choice"] = "Vis_Alpha_Legion" ["name_for_this_weapon_choice"] = "Vis_Word_Bearers" ["name_for_this_weapon_choice"] = "Vis_Undivided" ["name_for_this_weapon_choice"] = "Vis_Khorne" ["name_for_this_weapon_choice"] = "Vis_Nurgle" ["name_for_this_weapon_choice"] = "Vis_Slaanesh" ["name_for_this_weapon_choice"] = "Vis_Tzeentch" ["name_for_this_weapon_choice"] = "Vis_Warband_Khorne" ["name_for_this_weapon_choice"] = "Vis_Warband_Nurgle" ["name_for_this_weapon_choice"] = "Vis_Warband_Slaanesh" ["name_for_this_weapon_choice"] = "Vis_Warband_Tzeentch"
Difference of Warband Visuals is that these are more randomized than the others and are specially coded for ingame change/upgrade keeping some key parts such as heads for create the illusion is the same guy that just changed his allegiance to another god :P
I hope this helps
hmmm... could you ummm... simplify your explanation plz?... what do you mean by full IW or NL look?... also you mean to say that the helmets with the vis_warband_ is kinda randomized? and I have to pick the vis_khorne, vis_nurgle, etc. for it to not be randomized?
Noticed something - the chainsword appears with the lightning claw weapon on the second hardpoint if you use it alone and not in conjunction with the lightning claw weapon in hardpoint one.
Last edited by Whiteshield; 12th May 11 at 9:12 AM.
IW = Iron Warriors
NL = Night Lords
Ok, when you select for example "vis_iron_warriors" in the "marks" hardpoint, the model will display all the Iron Warrior extra visual stuff (helmet, greaves, skirt armour), these parts cannot be chosen independently as they are all bound to the "vis_iron_warriors", this applies to all other visuals, like vis_night_lords, etc.
We are good till here right?
Now each of these god/legion specific visuals have randomized parts, everything has some degree of randomization in the model, which means that by selecting "vis_iron_warriors" doesnt guarantee 100% that the IW helmet will show, i coded it to only appear 50% of the times while the other 50% its between one of the 3 different bare heads or a generic helmet with horns. This same thing applies to other parts of the armour.
Warband visuals do not have the % preference over the god specific parts, thus being more random in appearance.
Yes, although there will still be some minor randomization, by picking vis_nurgle you could end up having a bare head instead of the nurglish helm for example.I have to pick the vis_khorne, vis_nurgle, etc. for it to not be randomized?
Melooo, you did an epic job, however, can I let's see.. what's the word.. beg, for additional weapon types for the armor? I mean could you add a weapon type thats not randomized? Pretty please with khorne flakes on top?
for example: vis_night_lords_not_random, vis_iron_warriors_not_random, etc.
that way, you can choose if you want randomized or non-randomized armor/helmets for some other mods
[EDIT] I hope you take this into consideration, its just a request, but if its too hard for you or takes too much time, its fine as is
still, Pretty Please I'll help texture some of your units in return. Here's the job I did for some other mods, though unofficial: http://forums.relicnews.com/showthre...uisition-Skins
Its not that easy, however this is what i can do for you, add another hardpoint variant that stops randomization on helmets and torso, locking them to their legion/mark specific.
I will use this:
Code:["hardpoint_weapon_variant_motion_name"] = "Random_Display" ["name_for_this_weapon_choice"] = "<NONE>"
o.m.g. that's epic! thanks dude! for your cooperation, may I have the permission to edit the renegade skins? I'll post it on my thread when done. Also, if its not too hard, I noticed that the chaos lord had some special effects, will you add the lightning armour effect to the night lord armour?
Sure, feel free to retexture whatever you want
About the NL armour, you mean actual lightning fx? IIRC according to the lore, the lightnings are just painted over the armour
Last edited by Melooo; 13th May 11 at 1:05 AM.
Yeah but check this out:
looks more epic don't you agree?
[EDIT] Dude, ETA on the new chaos lord fix I'm so excited
[EDIT] Started working on the renegade skin an hour ago. Removed the black shadowy part on the renegade's shoulders. Now greenish like other parts of his uniform. Far from finished though.
i think i can have it for tomorrow, havent started workin on it yet.
Im not sure about the "electric" armour xD....i'll see.
sauceome! dude, btw, I noticed there is no change log posted, mind if I ask what are the new models for this mod? by that I mean new models created especially for this mod and updated fok models.
PS I didn't like the chest armor for the renegade skins, so I removed white bits making the chest outlining thingy, but kept the armour damage and the chaos mark. Still thinking if I should edit the uniforms to give them camo texture or not.
- Chaos Lord with all the upgrade options, different visuals for each legion/mark and lot of random parts
- Chaos Space Marines that works for chosen and aspiring champion, mark specific visual, all possible weapon upgrades and lot of random parts so each look different.
- Chaos Rhino, All possible upgrades and wargear.
- Chaos Predator, All possible upgrades and wargear.
- Chaos Vindicator, All possible upgrades and wargear.
- Chaos Land Raider, All possible upgrades and wargear.
- Renegade Militia, with all weapon upgrades, even Heavy Weapons.
- Noise Marine model changed, to include a bolter being able to have it as main weapon upgradable to either Sonic Blaster of Blastmaster
- New Raptor Model that works for Champions as well, all weapon upgrades.
- Space Marine Sergeants weapon options updated, can change their bolter for any combi weapon
Thats all i can remember for now
Dont worry about the texture changes, as long as it looks cool im ok with it :P
Hmmm... I already did that for Noise Marines and SM Sergeants.. Do you mean that they use a different model from the last FoK mod?
I don't exactly use Combi-Weapons coz I don't know how to implement their damage correctly using the old armour scheme. How do you do it for your mod?
[EDIT] Having a little trouble deciding. Do you want me to make the Non-TC green uniform parts TC via Primary?
Originally Posted by CONDECORAnd i changed my mind xD, GK kinda need some HQ in early tiers and i think this guy can fill that gap very well.Not sure about it, it seems to be a GK version of the Emperor's Champion, at first glance i would say that no....but maybe i change my mind later xD
In FoK 3.6 sarges could only upgrade to combi plasma IIRC, i added the other combi weapons as well as some randomization, and the noise marine needed a lot of OE tweaking to use their bolters properly, which i did.Originally Posted by Whiteshield
As for combi weapons, i have them coded as enhanced bolters that have some properties of the attached gun, for example the combi plasma has better infantry armour piercing.
About the renegade militia texture, clothes w/ Secondary and armour w/ Primary seems like best, but up to you.
Update on the Renegade skins:
Added the badge layer and made some more parts TC. The Bolter damage on one of the armour skins have cracks plus inside damage is a bit TC. Added an Scratched Out Imperial Aquila to show their broken allegiance with the Imperium. Will try texturing autogun next.
[EDIT] Almost forgot - added some "age marks" on the armor to make them look worn out a bit.
[EDIT] Finally finished some more parts of the Renegade.
PS is the new taskbar configuration in your mod by the FoK mod team updated for soulstorm? (for global abilites of dark eldar and sisters)
Last edited by Whiteshield; 14th May 11 at 8:48 PM.
"FoK taskbar"* was adapted to soulstorm but it doesn't support Dark Eldar global abilities yet, i might get around that at some point as it would be cool to have global abilities in all races.
Also the taskbar art for SoB/Inquisition hasnt been updated either.
* that taskbar was coded/designed/created by Patman42 and I for FoK 3.5/3.6 :P
Btw i just finished the Chaos Basilisk/Medusa/Griffon for Iron Warriors "doctrine" , also power armoured GK have Nemesis Force Falchions upgrade now
The renegade is looking good, except the gas tank in the back, it looks weird in Trim2, i would colour it the same as armour.
The gas tank I kinda like that way, using Trim 2, but I can easily make it trim 2 when I finish the texture entirely. I already made some bitz of the autogun TC as well as the lasgun. Also don't GK Justicars of the FoK mod have the falchion already?
Also can you post a pic of the Chaos Basilisk/Medusa/Griffon?
Last edited by Melooo; 15th May 11 at 5:44 PM.
Before I forget, is the Keeper of Secrets and the Lord of Change ingame?
[EDIT] Another request, if its ok, the chaos lord keeps screaming "forces of chaos lend me power" and "now I have the power to destroy everything"
can you make him stop talking? its because my chaos lord uses a different voice, so its kinda weird hearing him use eliphas' voice.
Last edited by Whiteshield; 15th May 11 at 11:49 PM.
Some ideas about GK. Sorry if you thik they stink.
1.- You say: “GK Terminators and Paladins will be the same”. Why don´t use GK Paladins as Command squad, in the same way as your last Black Templars development?. So Terminators could be simple troops or elite troops.
2.- I was thinking about Castellan Crowe. Is there just one castellan in GK army or there are others?.
If you think that there are more castellans, it could be possible to implement an option like space marine trait “hold the line” that allow sternguards capture req points. It could allow to recuit castellans (a comander without terminator armor) and a new squad of purifiers that can capture req points.
3.- Last one: what about inquisitors? Are you thinking to use the model we have with three “upgrades” or three different models?. Maybe you can recycle Davian Thule and first librarian without helmet (I don´t remember his name).
@CONDECOR - the first librarian would be isador akios
@Melooo - tried editing the hardpoints. why is it I end up with the combat drug wargear and not the "epic armor" wargear?
Melooo, if its not too much trouble can you post all the Wargear Hardpoints with a bit of description?.. kinda confusing... :I Thanks bro
Last edited by Whiteshield; 16th May 11 at 8:39 AM.
@CONDECOR: Dont be afraid to share your ideas man
1.- I decided to stick with old dex Terminator Squad configuration because imo that way is more fitting with the "Uber Elite GK terminators, heroes of many battles" theme, and the new paladins stats reinforce that image. In game terms each GK terminator is at least 2 times worth a SM one, + a Brother Captain as squad leader, that makes them one of the Best units in the entire mod, Ive already made some tests and a little squad of 2 GK termies + 1 Brother Captain, can take care of a lot enemy squads on their own, of course they are also expensive, specially the Brother Captain.
As for the Terminator Command Squad for HQ, that will be in definitively. These will have the same stats, however they will be able to add an apothercary as well
2.- Imo that ability of making Purifiers capture points can be transferred to the Brotherhood Champion
3.- Inquisitors and their henchmen will definitively get a boost, IIRC Horus worked on an Inquisitor Lord model with much more upgrades, im aiming to finish it or make a new one with the same principle. About henchmen, im not sure but i think i will allow the Inquisitor to requisition more than one henchmen retinue at a time. Inquisition needs some more cheap meatshields in early tiers.
No they arent.Originally Posted by Whiteshield
Do You know how to use the Object Editor? cause i can give you the .ebp and .sgm so you can tweak the model to your needs.
I'll PM you the full list of wargears
Thats pretty damn clever what you did with textures. Any plans on releasing similar tech tree charts like the space marine one in the OP?
I have seen the new images of GK in moddb (sorry, I can´t register to post there, so I post here). They are impresive, but could you take and post some new images in another map?. The red ground and the green sky don´t allow to see GKs as well as they deserve. Thank you in advance.
@Melooo - no help I can offer via Modelling, so sorry
Autogun texture is coming along great btw, I'll post a screenie when I get home to my own computer.
Yeah! thats very cool, finally textured autoguns :P, about the OE thing, sorry i wasnt clear enough, i was saying it so you could edit the chaos lord .ebp to your taste, editing the voiceover when idle isnt that hard i could guide you by PM
@CONDECOR: sure i'll take more screenies soon
@Erd: Yes, sorry i should have put out the Chaos one by now :P, will get it asap
I have curiosity for knowing what happened with Lord of Change that Horus made. I mean the image that you can see in moddb: http://http://www.moddb.com/mods/dawn-of-warhammer-40k-firestorm-over-kronus/images/lord-of-change-wip
It seems that it is finished.
When you finish GK and commanders in terminator armor, maybe you might see if you can encourage Lord Change (in case that Horus put it on svn).
Actually, Whiteshild is right about the Night Lords. Page 70 of the 5th ed Chaos SM codex says "Corsucating energy plays across the armour of the Night Lords, who favour swift, decisive assaults." Just wanted to clear that for anyone wondering. Great job on the GK by the way.
@Melooo - Noooo!!! Object Editor keeps giving me the dreaded "Model is not in any known mod projects" error.
[EDIT] Now on another subject, here's the progress on the Autogun. Sorry didn't finish it yet. Was away from home for four days.
PS The bits on the autogun are Trim coloured. Want to give it a shiny effect afterwards. And if you're wondering, I decided to keep the Chaos mark you made on the armour. It gives it a more organic "scratched into the armour" feel.
Last edited by Whiteshield; 20th May 11 at 6:59 AM.
@CONDECOR: yeah the LoC(Lord of Change) is collecting dust in the svn models repository, it needs animations, i could give it a try later on
@demetrius: errm the Chapter Master has been in game for ages (since FoK3.5 iirc), with all the wargears, texture and stuff seen in that pic, what it may lack is a specular texture layer, but that can be solved without much trouble
@Taoutes: hmmmm :scratch beard:
@Whiteshield: that probably because you havent set the pipelines/folder structure correctly....i could help you to solve that too.
Oh yeah! autoguns FTW!, could you make a non chaotic version so i can use it for vet guardsmen as well?
Erm... sorry again, but if its not too much... umm.. may I request you to upload the chaos lord model without his ranting/shouting?..
Now on to business.. Ehem.. I'm making the Autogun non-aligned to Imperial or Chaos. But forgive me but I couldn't help myself. I added a bit of starcraft to the Autogun:
Anybody notice the ammo counter?.. The Terran cinematic I watched when I was a kid always reminded me how the terran marine was screwed over.
And making the Lasgun more Chaos-y:
[EDIT] NO. The autogun is NOT done yet. It still looks too plain. Will add more details.
[EDIT] Melooo, if you can wait a bit, I'm currently working on some speech files for the Renegade. You CAN use them privately in your mod but you CANNOT use them with your public mod however because of erm... copyright reasons. Also, you DO know that I worked on a Specular Chapter Master skin don't you? http://forums.relicnews.com/showthre...-Model-Post-24
[EDIT] yeah, its the 3rd edit, sorry, but I just wanted to let you guys know I'm making this heretical Renegade specular when I'm satisfied with it.
XD lol, well i wouldnt mind if the ammo counter was half the current size, but dont worry make the texture as you wish , in case i dont like something i can edit it for PoK/FoK.
I didnt know your Chapter Master retexture included specular maps, thats cool!
About the Chaos Lord, xD ever heard this: “Give someone a fish and they eat for a day.
Teach someone to fish and they eat for a lifetime.”
Yeah I heard of that, you clevah git anyway, not a modeller at all. So if you don't mind, I'll just beg ya for it. lol
PS About the ammo counter thing, if I reduce it to half the size, it wouldn't appear as cool, plus I wanted to give it specularity for a glassy effect
when i extract and its finished its says cannot make folder purgation_kaurava. PLZ PLZ HELP
oh and it keeps saying the system cannot find the path specified.
either you didn't download parts 1-11 or one of the parts of the download got corrupted.
evrything was downloaded, how do u find out if one was corrupted?
i downloaded every singl part 1-11, how do i find out if any are corrupted?
i downloaded every thing 1-11 and how do i find out if any were corrupted???
download one at a time and check if its corrupted or not.
those renegade are looking good! cant wait to play with em in IW scheme though i will say im not a huge fan of having the whole head being TC, just the mask/respirators would be better IMO.
but they are your textures or its still WiP nice work nonetheless
if i could get stuff in the game/3ds max i could help model little bits here and there but until then.. sorry :/
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