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[2.601 Mod] YurdleMod v2.00 Released. Seriously! (Kind of like an unofficial patch)

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    [2.601 Mod] YurdleMod v2.00 Released. Seriously! (Kind of like an unofficial patch)

    YurdleMod v2.00

    Made for CoH v2.601.

    Author's Note:
    Alright, so several months ago, I started work on my second edition of YurdleMod. Like my first edition of the mod, it was an ambitious project to give the RelicNews community a chance to test out their balance proposals in action rather than only being able to theorize and discuss.

    Things were looking good, until I hit a roadblock and stopped work on the mod completely. My interest in CoH was not only dwindling, but I recently got a new laptop and have been enjoying the heck out of using it, especially now that I've been able to play games like Starcraft 2 and Dawn of War 2.

    I am heading off to university soon, and I doubt I will have the time to maintain such a mod. Luckily, I remembered to actually release whatever I could instead of forgetting about it entirely! Sorry I screwed up, but this is definitely better than nothing and will still satisfy some hardcore CoH fans. While this mod will lack a lot of those possible balance ideas, this will contain all the various bug fixes and 'popular demand changes' that lots of CoH players have been clamouring for.

    I doubt I will have time to maintain this mod, so unfortunately I probably will not be able to update this.

    Enjoy the mod!

    Download and Instructions
    Link: http://www.filefront.com/17257808/YurdleMod2.rar


    Instructions:


    The mod is completely identical to the current CoH game, with the exception of two things:

    -CheatMod is integrated
    -Various changes listed in the Change Log. Explanations can be found in the Situation Report section.

    1) Delete the previous balance test mod if you want to.

    2) Extract both the "YurdleMod2" folder and "YurdleMod2.module" to your Company of Heroes folder (Default: Program Files/THQ/Company of Heroes).

    3) Extract the "Shortcut to YurdleMod2.exe" shortcut to wherever you like. It is simply a shortcut that allows you to play my mod.

    4) Double click/open the "Shortcut to Yurdlemod2.exe" to begin playing the mod.

    Note: The shortcut leads to the default folder location. If you installed CoH in a different location, you will have to change the shortcut's path by right clicking and going into properties.
    Frequently Asked Questions

    What is YurdleMod v2.00?
    YurdleMod v2.00 is the second edition of my Yurdlemod series that originally began on RelicNews forums. Originally, the goal was to allow players to test out their proposed balance ideas. This way, I could allow players to test out their ideas in-game instead of only being able to argue about it in the balance forums. The mod wasnot intended to be an unofficial patch - The focus was solely on letting players test out proposed balance ideas.

    Due to time constraints, I had to release this version of YurdleMod. It completely lacks the new balance ideas people wanted to try out, but it contains various bug fixes and some changes that were in popular demand. In other words, this mod now acts like an unofficial patch.


    Can this mod be played with other players?
    Yes it can. Since the mod does not have thousands of players though, it may be extremely difficult to find a random stranger to play with. It would be best to arrange a game with someone else.

    To play, simply have everyone load up the mod, then create/join a game just as you would in the official CoH game. Even the friends list will still work, allowing you to communicate with players who do not have the mod!

    The other players who wish to play with you must have this exact same mod. Multiplayer can be played, but if someone uses a CheatMod command, the game will "sync error", essentially ending the current match. So no cheating in multiplayer!

    What is CheatMod, and how do I use CheatMod commands?

    CheatMod was successfully integrated into my own mod. Basically, this mod, created by BuckyBoy on another website, allows players to use several commands to do things that are not normally possible in regular skirmishes. From summoning abilities, resources, and units out of nowhere to disabling AI or Fog of War, CheatMod is extremely handy for players looking to experiment or test out things without having the restraints of playing through a regular game slowly.

    CheatMod will work when playing against computers. However, using a CheatMod command when playing with human players will cause a "sync error".

    To use the commands, simply press the desired keyboard combination from the hotkey list below. I recommend using Shift + Control + F1 to display the hotkey list in-game, as it acts sort of like a help command. Remember to press Shift + F2 to toggle the UI taskbar if you can't read all the commands.

    Example of how CheatMod can be used:
    Say you want to test out two units fighting each other. On one side, summon one of these units on the field. Then, use a command to switch control over a CPU player. Change the army (summon-able list of units), then summon the desired unit and have them fight.

    Hotkey list:




    • Shift + Control + F1 = Display Hotkey list
    • Shift + Control + F2 = Squad Hotkey List (of selected army)
    • Shift + Control + F3 = Ability Hotkey List (of selected army)
    • Shift + Control + F4 = Entity Hotkey List (of selected army)
    • Shift + Control + F5 = Revert chosen Commander Tree
    • Shift + F1 = Toggle FoW (fog of war)
    • Shift + F2 = Toggle Taskbar
    • Shift + F3 = Spawn all units of selected army
    • Shift + F4 = Toggle Instant Production
    • Shift + F5 = Toggle Instant Build
    • Shift + F6 = Toggle Instant Ability Recharge
    • Shift + F7 = Toggle AI
    • Shift + F8 = Toggle Selected AI
    • Shift + F9 = Change Atmosphere / Weather
    • Shift + F10 = Add Resources
    • Shift + F11 = Toggle Screensaver (cinematic mode)
    • Shift + F12 = Reload scripts (for developers)
    • Shift + Numpad0 = game speed x 0.125
    • Shift + Numpad1 = game speed x 0.25
    • Shift + Numpad2 = game speed x 0.5
    • Shift + Numpad3 = game speed x 0.75
    • Shift + Numpad4 = normal game speed
    • Shift + Numpad5 = game speed x 1.25
    • Shift + Numpad6 = game speed x 1.5
    • Shift + Numpad7 = game speed x 2
    • Shift + Numpad8 = game speed x 4
    • Shift + Numpad9 = game speed x 8
    • Shift + Spacebar = Change Selected Army
    • Shift + / = Switch Control to other player
    • Shift + Insert = Change owner of selected units (middle insert button only)
    • Shift + Delete = Delete selection (middle delete button only)
    • Shift + \ = Toggle Weapon Auto Targeting of selected units or buildings
    • Shift + . = Toggle AI Lock selection
    • Shift + ; = Increase Veterancy selection
    • Shift + ~ = Print Blueprint of selected unit
    • Shift + [ = Copy (store selected squads or entity)
    • Shift + - = Special Copy (store entity at mouse cursor)
    • Shift + ] = Paste (spawn stored squads or entity)
    • Shift + [0-9], [A-Z] = Spawn Units of selected army
    • Shift + Control + [1-9], [A-Z] = Spawn Abilities of selected army
    • Shift + Alt + [0-9], [A-Z] = Spawn Entities of selected army
    I am not interested in using CheatMod commands. Will gameplay still be normal?
    Yes, simply avoid using any CheatMod commands and the game plays just as it would in official CoH. Remember that players cannot use CheatMod commands when playing with other players or else it causes a sync error.


    I do not own one of the CoH games (vanilla, OF, or ToV). Will I still be able to use factions/units previously unavailable to me through this mod?

    Yes, as long as you're patched up to 2.601, you will be able to use CheatMod commands to summon any unit, even if you normally cannot use them because you lack one of the CoH games.

    Change Log
    General / Multiple Factions:
    -Wehrmacht/PE Artillery: The Stuka, Nebelwerfer, and Hummel's damage vs bridges has been reduced from x1 to x0.125.
    -U.S/British/Wehrmacht Medics: Health reduced from 120 to 70.
    -Wehrmacht/PE Goliath Remote Controlled Bomb: Munitions cost reduced from 125 to 100. Goliaths are also no longer undetectable (Revert time on detection changed from 0 to 1). Note units have to move rather close to the Goliath in order to detect.

    U.S:
    -Vehicle Cover: Granted Vehicle Cover to M4 Sherman, Sherman Crocodile, and Sherman Calliope.
    -M3 Halftrack: The Quad .50 Cal weapon's penetration vs air targets has been changed from x0 to x0.5. It's critical tables has also been fixed so it can now destroy air targets.
    -M18 Hellcat: Hellcats are no longer undetectable; revert time on detection changed from 0 to 1, and detected radius increased from 0 to 8.
    Reduced veterancy requirements from 12/24/36 to 8/16/32. Also fixed its level 2 veterancy range modifier bonus from an addition of +1.15 to a multiplication of x1.15 (+15%).
    -Engineers: Suppressed Activate Threshold changed from 0.02 to 0.12, and Suppressed Recover Threshold changed from 0.01 to 0.105. These values are 60% of an average infantry squad's thresholds.

    British
    -Vehicle Cover: Granted Vehicle Cover to all British vehicles (excluding Command Trucks).
    -Tommy Recon Squads: Fixed British recon teams (Infantry Section with Recon Element upgrade) not being able to detect camouflaged units while moving. It now works as intended, where the recon team must stand still in order to detect mines.
    -Sappers: Fixed Sappers with the Disposal and Detection upgrade being slowed down by the Lt's aura bonus when outside friendly territory.
    -Commandos: They will now benefit from the Lt's aura bonuses (excluding speed bonus). Previously the cosmetic icon would show up, but they did not actually receive the benefits.
    -PIAT: Reduced the weapon's damage multiplier against infantry soldier targets (PE/British infantry) from x1 to x0.5.

    Wehrmacht
    -Medic Bunkers: Changed to 5 bodies required for a Grenadier squad.
    -Pioneers: Suppressed Activate Threshold changed from 0.2 to 0.12, and Suppressed Recover Threshold changed from 0.15 to 0.105. These values are 60% of an average infantry squad's thresholds.
    -Schwimmwagen Type 166: Build time reduced from 45 to 30 seconds.
    -PaK38 AT Gun: Reduced first strike bonus from 3 shots to 1 shot before reveal, reduced penetration bonus from x10 to x5, and reduced accuracy bonus from x1.5 to x1.25.
    -Geschutzwagen Wreck: These can now be salvaged by Pioneers for munitions (Changed from 0 to 60 munitions). Also, the wrecks have been fixed so they break apart like normal when crushed, rather than exploding.
    -King Tiger: The King Tiger's "cost" (Not call-in cost) has been changed from 980 to 1200. It now properly provides the correct amount of Command experience when killed. Previously: Killed = 53.9 XP, Lost = 26.95 XP. Now: Killed = 66 XP, Lost = 33 XP.

    Panzer Elite:
    -Fallschrimjäger: Their default weapons of PE Kar98ks has been changed to elite Kar98k rifles.
    -Kettenkrad: The Kettenkrad's bugged pathfinding has been fixed; it will no longer be pushed around when approached by vehicles.
    In addition, movement speed over water has been increased from x0.3 to x0.8. It can also now repair disabled (scorched) points when the Scorched Earth doctrine is chosen.
    -222 Armoured Car: The AC's detection range has been reduced from 9 to 0.
    -Hotchkiss Light Tank: Veterancy has been fixed. It is now capable of sharing and receiving shared veterancy experience with/from nearby PE units. Requirements have been changed from 12/34/48 to 12/29/51. Each veterancy level also grants -10 seconds to cooldown for the Stuka rocket barrage.
    -Henschel Hs 129: The Henschel now has correct critical tables, allowing it to be destroyed.
    -251 Munitions Halftrack: Veterancy requirements has been reduced from 12/29/51 to 8/22/38.
    -Hetzer Tank: Veterancy requirements has been reduced from 24/58/102 to 12/29/51.
    -Fixed the Anti Tank Halftrack weapon's area of effect. It is now the same as its APCR version. Changed area from 0.1 to 0.5 radius, and area distance from 0.1/0.1/0.1 to 0.5/0.25/0.1 (long/medium/short range)
    -Fixed the Hetzer's APCR weapon area of effect. It is now the same as its regular weapon. Changed area from 0.1 to 0.5 radius, and distance from 0.1/0.1/0.1 to 0.5/0.25/0.1.
    -Fixed the Marder III's APCR weapon area of effect. It is now the same as its regular weapon. Changed area from 0.25 to 0.5, and distance from 0.25/0.1/0.1 to 0.5/0.25/0.1. Also fixed the Marder's regular weapons area of effect distance at short range from 0 to 0.1.
    -Fixed the Jagdpanther' s APCR weapon area of effect. It is now the same as its regular weapon. Changed area distance from 1/0.5/0.25 to 3/1.5/0.25.
    -The Jagdpanther "cost" (Not call-in cost) has been changed from 300 to 1200. It now properly provides the correct amount of Command experience when killed. Previously: Killed = 16.5 XP, Lost = 8.25 XP. Now: Killed = 66 XP, Lost = 33 XP.
    -The PE Kar98k rifles now have tracers that are identical to Wehrmacht Kar98k tracers.

    Situation Report
    This is the section where I post explanations/clarifications behind balance changes and bug fixes.

    Previously, the mod was supposed to contain balance changes proposed by the community. The purpose was to give people the ability to test out their theoretical ideas in-game, and not to act like an unofficial balance patch.

    However, due to time constraints, this mod only contains bug fixes and popular demand changes. Below are the explanations on why several things were changed or fixed.

    Explanations
    General / Multiple Factions
    -All Allied artillery had 1/8th damage vs bridges for a long time. For some reason however, some Axis artillery had no penalties vs bridges at all, allowing them to destroy bridges much more easily.
    -The Medic's have had their health reduced to the same amount as Pioneers, based on discussion with the majority agreeing they were just too hard to kill. Fun fact: Medics have the 2nd most health out of all infantry units in the game; only the Wehrmacht Officer beats them with 140 health.
    -Wehrmacht/PE Goliaths are now detectable, but their munitions cost has been reduced by 25. This is a change from the previous version. Keep in mind I did not adjust its other detected stats, so by default units need to get quite close to the Goliath before detecting it.
    -Vehicle Cover was given to vehicles who were lacking it. Recall in 2.400 that Relic intended to give vehicle cover to the 3 Shermans, but apparently forgot to do so. As for British vehicles, all of them had been missing Vehicle Cover since the beginning. While there is a possibility that this was done on purpose, it seems quite unlikely as it seems to be intended that every vehicle for every faction have this. Even airplanes, Flak36, and Flakvirelings have this.
    Vehicle Cover grants x0.75 (-25%) received accuracy when the vehicle is in cover. Vehicles do not benefit from cover the same way infantry do, so this ability is required to give them something.

    U.S
    -The Hellcat's requirements have been reduced to that of the M10 Wolverine's, seeing as there does not seem to be a reason why it should be higher. It has also been made detectable, as it previously was impossible to detect.
    -The Quad .50 Cal had absolutely no penetration against air targets at all, which contributed to why it could not shoot down Henschels. Various changes have been made so it can finally shoot down these planes. Testing has shown the Quad is way too strong against the Henschel right now since there was no time for balance testing. Fortunately it's not a huge deal.
    -Engineers have had gimped suppression thresholds for a long time, for what appears to be no good reason. Based on discussion it seems people like the 60% value (also applies to Pioneers), but more feedback is welcome. Most agree the original value of 10x worse thresholds compared to most infantry squads was unnecessary.

    British
    -PIATs had x0.5 damage modifier against all infantry types except snipers and soldier armour, whom they have x1 against. This is probably one of the biggest reason why PIATs (and probably contributes to Kangaroo problems) were so powerful against the Panzer Elite - It was even a useful weapon against PE infantry! It has now been reduced down to x0.5 vs Soldier armour.
    -Commandos have never received Lt bonuses since possibly the beginning of the OF age. Perhaps this was done on purpose, perhaps not. Originally I wanted to allow players to test this out and see if it's too strong. Since I won't have time to maintain the mod series anymore, I decided to just keep this in.

    Wehrmacht
    -Pioneers also received the same treatment as Engineers in regards to suppression threshold changes. For Pioneers, it's a nerf, but this does not hurt them too much. This may also help reduce Pioneer spam's effectiveness.
    -Medic Bunkers have always been a hot topic issue. Previously we tried Volksgrenadiers for 5 bodies; discussion showed many were disappointed. This time we're doing Grenadiers for 5 bodies. This, combined with weaker Medics, may help make "zombie" Grenadiers fairer or more manageable for the Allies.
    -Wehrmacht Scwhimmwagens are rarely used. They are more expensive than their Motorcycle counterparts and take an incredibly long time to build, despite being a low tier unit. This was a change from the previous version but there was little feedback so I brought it back.
    -PaK38: Still keeping the changes from v1.01. Based on discussion it seems debatable so far on how far the changes went.
    -King Tiger provided less Command XP than the Tiger, which makes little sense. They are now equal.

    Panzer Elite
    -Fallschrimjägers always started out with the PE Kar98k rifles. These rifles are quite weak, and an un-upgraded Fallschrimjäger squad actually had less damage output than an un-upgraded Volksgrenadier squad! They have been changed to carry the elite version (used by Grenadiers and Stormtroopers) of the Kar98k now. This is essentially a buff and while the plan was to let the community test it out, I decided to keep this in anyways.
    -PE Schwimmwagen/Kettenkrad have been made identical, but in the opposite direction this time - The Kettenkrad is now boosted up to the Schwimmwagen's level. This will be interesting to test out as this is essentially a buff for Kettenkrad users.
    -The Armoured Car has had its detection range removed. Recall in 2.400 that the buff to this range was intended only for the Scout Car. Now, there is debate on whether or not the AC should still keep its detection range anyways. However, for the sake of testing, I've kept this removal in again.
    -Henschel Hs 129: Not only did the Quad have no penetration against air targets, but the Henschel was also using incorrect critical tables, which made it impossible to destroy them. This has been fixed and they can now be shot down.
    -251 Munitions Halftrack: Not really a bug but an overlooked balance issue. I did not see any reason why its requirements should be higher than that of other PE light vehicles.
    -Various fixes to area of effect on PE APCR weapons: It seems someone may have forgotten about these. There is a possibility that they were done on purpose, but most of them did not make sense (Ex. the Hetzer having pretty much nil area of effect).
    -The Jagdpanther gave just a little more than a killed Jeep for Command XP! It now gives the same amount as a Tiger/King Tiger.

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  3. Modding Senior Member Company of Heroes Senior Member  #3
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    Really, really nice Yurdle! I'll sure be intergrading this into my own Balance Mod, but also (of course) enjoying this.
    Sometimes I get bored when I played several vCoH online matches and I don't want to play my own mod Back to Basics. And then this is the perfect thing.

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    I'm going to try this, but a few questions first:

    -I have no interest in the using the Cheat Mod portion of this mod. I assume if I do nothing at game start, gameplay will be normal. Correct?

    -Why no fixes to the US vehicle vets?

    -Since the wehrmacht vet system has been such a contentious issue lately, why not give the KKC back its fuel cost (which was once 20-50; can't remember exactly) as at least a minimal step toward fixing it?

    -Can the PE SC currently detect snipers? If so, how about speeding up its turret speed?

    -A little pet pieve of my own has been that MG42 bunker upgrade doesn't have the same weapon range as a MG42 team. Since the upgrade has such a limited arc (compared to small gun emplacements for other factions), why not make them the same? [Igonore this since it's minor in the whole scheme of things]

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    @BlackOmne:
    - Yep, if you don't use any CheatMod commands, everything is normal. If you're playing against other humans, no one can use CheatMod commands as that would sync error the game, meaning no one can cheat in multiplayer.

    -The US vehicle vet changes were the one of big new balance ideas. Like the rest of them, I didn't have time to get them in. Since I'm going to university and my interest in CoH is declining, I doubt I will have time to update this anymore.

    -That's a balance idea, and I wish I could keep updating the mod but I can't, which is why I released this.

    -Read above, I can't update it anymore. But yeah, PE Scout Cars can detect camouflage.

    -That's another balance idea, read above.

    So yeah, it would have been cool if I had the time and interest to keep updating the mod series, but since I can't, I released whatever I could. This mod is now like a unofficial patch since it has various bug fixes and a couple of popular demand changes.

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    While I'm sure this took many hours to complete I am just curious as to why one person, in his spare time, could manage to make so many vital changes and Relic with all it's devs, couldn't?

    Congrats Yurdle. Hopefully Relic will pic up your mod and use it to fix CoH. Good luck in your journeys.

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    honestly, that sounds great.

    if relic could just release this as a new patch id take it 100% and subject to no bugs be happy with that forver more, even though as stated things like KKC fuel or roos couild be tweaked a bit perhaps. but even if not id still take it over the current implementation any day,

    why not send it to thunder or relic or just give them a link to this thread and say, yurdle did all the hardwork for you. please just test it and update coh to this version?!
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    @TsaoChicken: When it comes to doing things officially, things get a bit difficult. Remember the Dawn of War 1 days? They had so much difficulty because they had to get different stuff for every different language and exeucte-ables, among other stuff. Apparently the move to GWFL helped out with this problem greatly.

    There's also the problem of Relic focusing on other stuff like CoH:O instead of old CoH.

    @Ballisti1x: It would seem rude if we did that. Besides, even with good intent, with no one paying attention to CoH I doubt we would get anywhere. I may be pessimistic but with CoH:O taking over along with other busywork (DoW2 and that new Warhammer game), I just can't see them doing a 180 anytime soon.

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    Ah yeah, we don't need any off-topic rants about whether Relic have given value for money with CoH thanks.

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    Asking about the warhammer game is off-topic. Post deleted.


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    Yurdle,
    I've tried the mod a couple times now. And my initial impression is that most changes don't significantly affect gameplay, strategy or balance. The higher suppression resistance of US engineers is noticable, and the one-shot-only-bonus-then-visible Pak38 is noticiable. But, the other changes seem almost invisible in their impact on the game. Even the fixed Pak38 doesn't seem to cause a big impact on tactics for it; it's still a very capable ATG. I have to wonder if the small reduction of pioneer suppression resistance will significantly impact the use of pioneer spam. Also, I think that this mod highlights just how OP the wehr vet system is because there are fewer accuses to hide it behind (eg, if you fix the pak bug and pioneer spam, then wehr are not OP).

    Oh! And the descrease in hetzer vet requirements is noticable and nice to see - hetzers now get vet in more reasonable amount of time.
    Last edited by BlackOmne; 9th Sep 10 at 7:11 AM.

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    I have a I7 machine, when i try to use your mod i gets put in the 86 program files which i think is a place for 32 bit programs, not sure. It just never nworks
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    I have mods installed in my Core i7 Windows 7 64-bit Notebook, and they all work fine. Are you on an admin account?

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    Silly question maybe, but why is this like 200k smaller than v1? It does include all V1's fixes/balances, right?
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    Hi Yurdle,
    I checked out your mod and i noticed this:

    The Quad still does not target airplanes. it has its disable_auto_search and disable_target still on.

    also notice that simply copying over the critical and target tables of other AA weapons make it incredibly overpowered vs aircraft because of the quad's higher rate of fire.

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    The download is dead. Please mail it to me a coreheim |a| gmail.com and I will host it on my domain forever.

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    Hey guys, coming back from the dead (temporarily) during the holiday break from university.

    @BlackOmne: Yeah, the vast majority are just bug fixes. A lot of them are minor but added together they can get fairly annoying. Every bug fixed can go a long way.
    @mandead: I have no idea actually. Size should be pretty darn similar.
    @Leophone: Blargh. Well, it worked when I tested it, guess stuff happens.
    @AspDK: Download link still works fine, are you sure about this?

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    Yurdle, did you notice a lot of your changes actually made it into the official patch changelog?

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    Sorry for thread revival, but @Celéstial:

    Been gone for a very long time and have not played CoH in months. I finally did check out the new patch notes and it's absolutely amazing. I don't know if they took my bug fixes, or if I'm just making my self feel special, but that is awesome. Either way, glad this has helped out and raised awareness.

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    Well the changes in the patch are generally agreed on by most coh players so it makes sense a lot of changes are simular. The fixes (wrecksalvaging etc) are ofcourse not opinionbased so there's no glory there. One thing that you can be certain of at least is that your opinion and feeling of balance is on par with the relic- and GR testteam
    Now thát's a Knight's Cross.

  20. Modding Senior Member Company of Heroes Senior Member  #20
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    If I am really honest I am actually not such a fan that v2.602 was a community patch, mostly made by the people at GamesReplays.org and being released by Relic, instead of being a Relic made patch released by Relic.. A lot of changes are fan made and "just" being applied by Relic without real testing how they affect the gameplay. Besides, some important bugs still excist and were created by this patch.

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    Well, define community there has been a big big beta forumsection on GR where people who played the beta could comment. And eventhough there was a lot of activity on there, it's always still a small part of the actual number of players, a lot just dont bother to post their thoughts. but people like Kolaris etc can dream all the coh stats and numbers so I doubt relic would have had much better testers (since the original coh team is pretty much gone).
    In general I think the patch did a lot of good to coh, granted there are a few of hickup's but nothing so big that it bothers me (unlike the stuff pre-patch).
    As for the fact that relic didnt test much of it, I totally agree on that.. but the reality is simply that relic didnt want to spend too much on a 5 yo game I guess. Cant really blame them.
    I dont wanna derail here tho, it doesnt take away from the fact that Yurdle had a good 'patch'mod going here for sure.

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