Ultimate Apocalypse - 1.72 Released!

[Apocalypse]

No what I meant was, is that if the Deamon prince was a placeholder for an actual chaos god, e.g. an emobodiment of Khorne of Nurlge itself it would be too powerful but if thats not the case then jolly good. A Chaos Reaver/Warlord sounds cool. I belive the ones in the "Dead sky, Black sun" had more melee weapons and a lot of demonic/chaos powers about them rather than simply being machines of war, it was almost like they were alive (probably were, only with demons rather than machine sentience).

Its a shame the Deamon prince is completly removed, it would be a nice extra relic or higher tier unit still, since its voice and words it speaks were especially iconic of chaos and added great immersion for me at least. The "I have ascended" or "they are gnats before me!" still give me chills, perhaps you can use the voice sound files if you dont want to use the unit?

I was simply playing with the idea that you could some how copy the Dark Elder Soul resource and add it to Chaos. Then label the resource according to the God its for, not sure if thats even possible, I would assume some of these things are hard coded however were you interested in implementing such an idea.

[Master Necro]

Yes, the embodiment of a Chao god would be too much, deamon princes are more than enough.

Btw the idea of soul essence beeing converted to chaos isn't bad. But I would add the faith one instead, for example give the heretics the ability to pray in the chaos temple like in the SS Legions mod, but we add the generation of lets say "devotion" which give us the ability to recruit greater demons and use some cool powers and upgrades.

[Apocalypse]

Indeed, some Deamon princes are ascended fallen Primarchs themselves. I dont think you can get much more power from Chaos than that.

Either one would be nice, I was simply thinking that giving each Chaos God some unique powers based on a similiar system as faith/soul essence would be cool.

Edit:

Hold on, the brass scorpion is a super unit, that can counter Titans and such, which I just read up on. Apprently it can even explode in an enormous burst....surely this is more than enough of a new Epic unit for Chaos? I only have limited knowledge on the unit so I may be wrong.

(Not that I am saying I dont want another Chaos super unit of course )

[Cylarne_04]

Hold on, the brass scorpion is a super unit, that can counter Titans and such, which I just read up on. Apprently it can even explode in an enormous burst....surely this is more than enough of a new Epic unit for Chaos? I only have limited knowledge on the unit so I may be wrong.

What? You frikin kiddin me? Well! Looks like I'm going to break a rule. The Brass Scorpion in this case (Out of Andrei's creation) is mighty much strong than a Defiler with a support cap of 4 and CAN take on titans with good damage, but it'll still lose. Can actually demoralize a venerable Dreadnought .

By the way, I need more of my questions answered. I need to gather up more intel before I continue.

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[Apocalypse]

Well that probably sounds about right, its just that a description about it on a Tabletop guide said its claws could "snip" titans legs off. This may simply be exageration, although I think what you just described is similiar to what its supposed to be. Does it have the huge explosion that the tabletop version is known for?

Sure ill look through.

[Cylarne_04]

Big explosion aey? The size of a Brass Scorpion creating a huge explosion, hmm? Who the heck thinks of these things? I can't have that even though it sounds cool! I think the normal vehicle explosion would do.

EDIT: Although, what do I not undersatnd about an Apocalypse?

[Tomb Deathwing]

Random thought message..

Hey guys I just learn something...

Never..

ABSOLUTE NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!! Play as the Necron with low requisition rate in standard...T^T is a nightmare if you don't have a quick-start requisition...I make a skirmish and just for approximation, you need at least 45 minutes without being attacked to be just a respectable opponent....lol

anyway if is just time I like to ask a quick petition and A SERIOUS FIX...

Petition :
-I like to ask if is possible for the pillar of darkness or the energy beacon to have the ability "Stasis field " from the lord destroyer as a defensive ability ...
-Can you expand the ratio of the lightning field ,I feel it is too small when I chose it..a little big will be grateful

Fix:
-I like to ask if is possible to fix the ai to not Steal your capture points..when i play with an ally when i capture a point there is a ally unit nearby ( any race) and recapture your point it is was belong to you..I patch that of construct your post quickly ...At least they don't recapture your critical location.. ..

nothing less Lord of Apocalypse ...and have a good day

[Apocalypse]

well Cylarne you dont have to have it but it would indeed be cool and its part of the Table Top brass scorpion rules, it makes a large explosion when it dies. On the other hand, you would probably get a lot of lag, or it would be unfair if all these scorpions (more numerous in-game most likely than table top unless you limit them or something) so whatver works best for the mod.

[Tyrantarmy6]

the AI steals your points? the only thing I see them do, is taking my point when the enemy took it first and my ally is faster at that point than me! but taking it when it is still mine? I haven't seen that before.

[Setsuna269]

Hi all my Big Brother!
If Chaos can chose their own Gods so other races could had their own ways too!(I have no idea about it yet,I need more informations).
Just reading Apocalypse idea and I have some more.Some of thing may be impossible to do but I'm very glad if it work in game however I don't like Chaos much.
All races should had their third resource but I know it hard to do so make it simple.
1)Khorne:
-Over view:Strong in melee combat and using squads.High health and damage.
-Elemental:Blood(liquid-Warter).Instead of using Blood resource,make them had same nature as Bloodthirster(losing health when not in battle)
-Ability:Cannibalize(like Apocalypse said) and ability that make them stronger with cost of health.
-Super weapons:There are two types: Defensive and Offensive.
Defensive:Rain of Blood(Fortress of Khorne):Support all units in range with great health regen(strong like fortress)
Offensive:Berzerker Glaive:Support all units in range with small damage for every enemy they kill.
-Ultimate weapon:N/A :
2)Nurgle:
-Over view:Strong in corrupt enemy and rising force.Low health and damage.
-Elemental:Earth.Any enemy units near them lose health.
-Ability:Give them 50% change to rise up when die and poison weapons(Apocalypse said)
-Super weapons:
Defensive:Nurgle's rot:All units in range will rise automatically when die.
Offensive:Manreaper:All enemy units died in area will become Nurglings.
-Ultimate weapon:Corruption.
3)Tzeentch:
-Over view:Strong in capture enemy and ranged combat.Low health and damage.
-Elemental:Fire.Explosion when died.
-Ability:Remove enemy squads morale and stunt enemy squads.
-Super weapons:
Defensive:Bedlam Staff:All enemy units in area are immobilize.
Offensive:Warp Blade:N/A.
-Ultimate weapon:Eire Storm.
4)Slaneesh:
-Over view:Strong in break enemy squads and melee combat.High health and damage.
-Elemental:Soul(Air).Damage good on enemy morale.
-Ability:Blind enemy squads and poison weapons.
-Super weapons:
Defensive:Lash of Torment:All enemy units in area are lose morale and run away in fear.
Offensive:Needle of Desire:Poisoned any enemy units in area.
-Ultimate weapon:Tormentor.
Need all day for this and I hope it help.
*Today,I begin for modding practice with all necessary tools thank to big brother Cosmocrat and big brother Cylarne!I hoping one day I'll become one of the APOCALYPSE TEAM!Before that,I need a lot of thing to learn and need great help from all of you.
I'm out now!Good day to all of you!
-Little sister Setsuna!

[inharntdispoile]

Instead of the summoning of a chaos god being summoned cause that was considered op what about a temporary possession like with the necrons c'tan yet make it so that the effect is even shorter and the reload time is much much longer forcing the player to be tactical about when they use the ability.

[Apocalypse]

Well it does not have to be overpowered really. I said it earlier because lorewise a chaos God would probably take out all the races at once considering the battlefield in a Dawn of War gmae is just a small skirmish. If it was a star system wide combat then maybe but the same could be said for TItans in general, a Warhound or even more so a Imperator could take out the whole field of battle in seconds.

But I would really want a really super Chaos unit unique to other races, they have such a large list of things to choose from such as Chaos God possession, a Chaos Reaper/imperator, a fallen Primarch (basically a remodled deamon pricne I guess just with super powers). I think anything that makes Chaos unique, certainly between each God so the player feels their playing towards a specific ideology.

Edit: Making these long lists of things I would like to change makes me feel like ime being ungrateful or selfish towards the team and I want to apologise if it seems that way, I say again the Chaos in game already is brilliant to use but like any eager fan of certain race or mod, theres always wishes for even more, even when such ideas are impossible.

[Setsuna269]

Today is the day of Chaos,everything we discussing is about Chaos.
To Apocalypse:I know your feeling because it the same as my.Any fan from any game alway hoping some good things for their game and DoW is not a exception.
Chaos in game is really strong and Deamon Prince are very powerful(Great health,fast regen,great damage,speed and four abilitys)It defeated all my three Avatars even with Scorpion fire support so if something like Gods and BaneLord Titan appear,the game is in their hand.Last hope is Super weapons...The only thing I want to see in Chaos is Ravager Titan.
We need to focus to other races,Chaos is good enough.

[Cylarne_04]

Making these long lists of things I would like to change makes me feel like ime being ungrateful or selfish towards the team and I want to apologise if it seems that way,

slap yourself out of it mister, this is no place to apologize for ideas.

In other news, one new *hush* *hush* secret unit is in game, and this one is an iffy for the patch as well, but here is the new list of results. I'll put this up on the first post too.

1.62.51 Patches

Hint: * = completed and in patch folder
- = completed

- ai commander wargear bug that you can see when pressing ctrl + shift + ~ or simply get fatal ai SCAR errors is gone.
* Sternguard Veteran pink icon no longer exists.
* GUO ranged puke no longer spams a pink box.
* Aeonic Orb stats. changed with improved abilities, but easier to kill.
* Space Marine Venerable Dreadnought armor type will change from relic armor to normal vehicle armor.
* XP2 bugs from Tyranids and IDH will be fixed.
* Defensive Wall health increased by 3000 hitpoints.
* Sisters of Battle Exterminatus superweapon fixed.
* Easy ai fixed.
* Scourger Dark Lance and Ravager Disintegrator rebalanced.
- Ork population fixed.
- Chaos Shrine bug in the campaign is patched.
- Ultimate superweapon beep noise patched.
- Sentinel multilaser gun is fixed.
- Baneblade chassis no longer bleeds between two races.
- Whirlwind chassis no longer bleeds between two races.

I want ALL final patches to be reported ASAP! I was thinking about releasing the patch one week from today, so let's get a move on people. Deadline for requesting patch fixes is

[demetrius]

did you add units for deamon hunters??

[Cylarne_04]

No not yet, I'm working on it.

[Apocalypse]

I guess so but apprently the Prince is being removed in the next patch. Also theres always balance to attend with regardless of how lore powerful a unit is. Hell if it was 100% lore correct a space marine could likely kill a guardsmen group by himself, let alone a company of space marines

Also I will Cylarne, slap myself out of it

[Cylarne_04]

I guess so but apprently the Prince is being removed in the next patch.

Um, no! I never said that. You can find patch updates above and in the first post.

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[Setsuna269]

What do you mean "No" brother Cylarne?Does that mean Deamon Prince still in this patch?

[Apocalypse]

At Cylarne

You said:

I used the Daemon Prince as the ultimate titan because it was all DOW I awesome and stuff so I made this possible. It is now a placeholder, and it is now... removed.

So I assumed you meant in this next build of the game coming up, the prince is removed?

[KIN0025]

I think he means that the placeholder is removed. so yes the daemon prince is removed but maybe not in the next patch.

[Setsuna269]

Any one can upload Apocalypse map to megaupload for me please!I have problem with filefront.

[Cylarne_04]

I think he means that the placeholder is removed. so yes the daemon prince is removed but maybe not in the next patch.

Correct. Yeah, if I remove the Daemon Prince in the patch, problems could arrise. It's just in my version right now, the limit of Chaos gods and Land Raiders were removed. So hopefully they can counter titans.

Any one can upload Apocalypse map to megaupload for me please!I have problem with filefront.

Maybe my team mates could do that instead.

[Tyrantarmy6]

hmmm... Chaos gods in-game... that gave me an idea! No chaos gods, but what about somekind of avatar of a chaos god, like the avatar of Khorne, or avatar of Nurgle? this would be the embodiment of that god, so that it can fight along it's followers, but much, much weaker.

maybe for khorne?

Spoiler

or

What do you think?

[Master Necro]

Aren't the Greater demons (Bloodthirstier; Great Unclean One; Changer Of Ways; Keeper of Secrets), some kind of avatars of the Chaos gods?

[ProfMan96]

well...the GUO is the embodiment of Nurgle...since, they represent him in all aspect of his being. Same goes for the bloodthirstier....physical embodiment of Khorne's blood hunger, Keeper of secrets, Tzeenetch's ever-changing nature. The keeper of secrets....well, it's a hermaphrodite ...what more do you want?

Those are epic pictures btw...a little touches here and there and...viola! I have a kick-arse wallpaper

[Cosmocrat]

Ok lads today i want to inform you about my latest efforts on bringing the XV-9 "HAZARD" Heavy Support Plattforms to you within the next release of the Ultimate Apocalypse! So take a breath and have a lookee on these screenies here!

Here they come! Remember to take a breath :P

So as you can see the progress is going on steady and persistant! And will be oneday finished and brought to a download site near you .

And to fire on the disussion about chaos i must admit that we've added a hell of new stuff that you'll have a heck of fun to use upon your enemies i guess ^^.

Else you might have a nice day now!

-Cosmocrat

[inharntdispoile]

That look great cosmocrat i just have one comment, the legs look rather odd... will it be that way ingame too? forgive my noob question
Fro the strangest reason yesterday after i watched battle: LA i had a sudden urge to go play tau vs IG in a city map

[ImperialShield]

@Cosmocrat

wheeew - tears in my eyes, awesome work

The Emperors servants are great and many

[Tyrantarmy6]

Looks great Cosmo!

Maybe I should have brought the idea a bit diffrently. what I meant was indeed an avatar. but I see the bloodthirster more like the embodiment of the will and nature of khorne. he dies without blood, so he is thirsty for blood, just like khorne. but what I meant was to make it the embodiment of khorne himself. so that his spirit will get into a daemonic body so that he can fight himself, and when destroyed he will return to the warp. ofcourse the body cannot possibly match his power. that's what I meant.

[Krronus]

GOOD GOD PAGE 40! Way to go Cosmocrat too.

I'm back by the way, injured, but back. I'm all the way back to comment 1730 I think so I'll just read on from here if you all don't mind.

I have a question about the Chaos Gods, if you say Bloodthirsters and GUO are "embodiments", then what are Chaos Gods?

[Apocalypse]

I like this idea (Tyrantarmy6's) , I think its just that Greater deamons as cool as they are, are just stompy giant beasts in DoW gameplay, I think they need more used powers especially for AoE fights against a lot of small forces otherwise they get swamped. Khornes embodiment I think looks similiar to Tyrants images.

Chaos as a force are incredibly powerful lorewise, a primarch or a possession by Chaos would be excellent. Or as I said earlier, an upgrade to boost the Blood thirster, GUO to "favoured" of the God level, such as the Bloodthirster becoming the "unbound" one.

Also that Tau battle suit is amazing work, good job indeed. Tau certainly needed a more unique heavy unit.


To answer Krronus, Chaos Gods are immaterial self aware embodiments of a emotion, feeling, state in the universe such as war, hate, blood for Khorne. Greater demons are more like symbols of the Gods they serve but not directly embodiments. Not easy to explain.

[Cylarne_04]

Krronus, you're back, yay! Alive and well, I'm so glad to have noticed! I need a bit of help by the way, no one decided to join our team for coding purposes.

@All: I just want to say that 9 placeholders were removed, 14 remains. Um placeholders are secret by the way so I hope no one asks. The campaign has been finally worked on and soon, it'll be epic. Mwahaahahaha! Ah ha ha ha ha!

@Cosmocrat: Can't wait to code that beast. Also, we got to talk, say some time after Monday or directly on Monday.
@Tyrantarmy: We got to talk too, after Monday or on Monday.
@My Chain of Command: I need testing results 3 weeks from now, 5/2/11.

First post will be updated 10 minutes after I post this.

[Tyrantarmy6]

monday? that's today! Oo

I'll log in onto X-fire when I return from school ok?

PS: I think I already know what it is going to be the subject! xD

[kattwuver229]

thanks for the reminder to breath XD

[Green Tide]

Are you adding the random (codex, as they're called I think) ork troops (slugga, shoota and nobz) from FoK?

Also, any plans for a Wyrdboy unit?

[Setsuna269]

I just recognized that there are some honor guard units are only alvable in campaign.Is that was planned before or you are not bring them to normal game yet?
Why Eldar honor guard are not attachable?I need one for my Autarch(I alway attach him with Howling Banshee or Warp Spider Squads but not match to Farseer with Seer Council).

[Cosmocrat]

Today I provide you another gun variant for the XV-9 Hazard Suit which are the twin-linked-dual-ion-cannons. Notice that they're untextured yet. Anyway don't forget to take a breath before! :P

Breathe DEEP!

Quite awesome isn't it? ^^ The fusion cascades are next on my list then...

So just teeney weeney update today but you still have a nice day i guess?

-Cosmocrat

[Setsuna269]

Wow!You made it too!I know you'll do that for weapons upgrade.

[demetrius]

[Setsuna269]

Not a word brother Demetrius?No Eldar and Sob new unit!Sniff...Sniff

[RT2]

Oh lookie I got to post on the forum.
I took a break from max.

Is there a way I can get these posts sent to my email complete. so I can just save my email and keep up to date?

Let me see.

And I see my rendering needs a lot of work to get upto teh standard of these models.

Also If you would send me some pics of stuff that would be good in the mod to:
Malcom_foster@hotmail.com?

@demetrius? Like the Nemisis Dreadknight
Daemon hunters or Grey Knights? As the new codex has a lot of great units and plays differently to the old Daemon hunters.

@all is there a list of all models that have been rendered fro DOW? As I am keen to see what still needs to be rendered. Even though I am a noob.

Subscribed.

[oneday13]

Hello All!
I have just joined this forum site because of the pure coincidence of me running into
the Ultimate Apocalypse through youtube, and quickly finding out that it is a simple brilliance!

I've been having great fun but I realize that sometimes my Chaos cultists don't even make a dent

on some of my enemys' buildings. I watched them shooting at it for four minutes, and when their

headquarter finally hit half the Hitpoint, I quit.

Don't know if it's just me, although I tried to find the answer through the first 28 pages, I'm afraid to go on more.

Plz help me, thnx.

[ProfMan96]

@oneday : first off (this is getting ridiculously redundant), welcome to the forums

As for your question, you need to have the proper units to take out a HQ. Same rule applies when fighting with vehicles, get anti-armor units/weapons and take them out. I find lascannon the best choice for anti-armor. then again, you could just nuke the hell out of your opponents base It makes sense, I mean come one, flashlight (lasgun) denting ceramite (whatever they're called)? that is just insane, you can't damage any wehicle (in WH40k at least) with laser guns...only star wars does that.

have an apocalyptic time!

[Setsuna269]

To oneday13:Wellcome to the forum!About your question it very simple:
-Some weapons and units does not effect on some other units and buildings so it can't take any damage whatever how hard you try.
-You should know that HQ and Armory are the two buildings with highest armor type and Chaos Cultist is tier I unit(do not have any weapon effective on vehicles and buildings) and weak too so you should use them for another purpose like scouting,dealing with another enemy squads or take on other enemy buildings that had lower armor type like Listening Post(if upgraded one or two time,it useless) and Generator.
Have a good time!
-Little sister Setsuna!

[Cosmocrat]

So today is a great day for all the tau lovers out there! Why? Because i've finished today the XV-9 Texturing, Meshing and Rigging! Now there are the animations left and OE coding and it's finally there in the next apocalypse version! So i guess the next screenies that will arrive here will be in-game screenshots from the XV-9 itself in action!!! So keep your eyes peeled and stay tuned for more news!
So now take a REAL DEEP breath and get prepared for awesomeness!

You did forget to breathe did you? Ready? GOOO!

Got lucky punk? ^^

So feel free to leave suggestions (Don't forget to hail the work! ^^) and ideas of what could be still done better. As this is last chance!!!

So you can have a nice day now! No? HOW DARE YOU!!!

-Cosmocrat

[Dante551]

ok so the patch is out and released im guessing???

@ cosmocrat very nice work will have to begin playing my favorite race again

was reading the grey knights omnibus and they have a tech priest squad of the dark mechanicus using regular lasguns blowing chunks out of a titans armor...........

tehe the auto-correct makes lasguns= flashguns

so this is a question that i need to know should i download and find problems with the patch or no??

[RMX]

Superb. This mod is advancing very fast.
Will the SoB and DE see any new toys after this?

[Dante551]

i think de is in line next but im not 100% sure

[ImperialShield]

@Cosmocrat


So will the new suit be in a later patch or in the next complete release?