Ultimate Apocalypse - 1.72.5 Released!

[demetrius]

i will read that long post too,but what i read i agree that dow 2 is bad,and need to be improved with mods,but i am against building walls,i build walls in age of empires but not here.

[Cylarne_04]

@demetrius: Well, why not? I'll put in a win condition option called "Restrict Walls".

@All: I'm still behind on page 24, give me some time please.

EDIT: ERR... my bad, I mean page 25.

[demetrius]

than is ok,you mean abilities??no no walls just losing time doing that, when you can for example remodel stompa.

be faster. :-)).

[MTplayer99]

what why are i off the team

[Cylarne_04]

@MTplayer99: Oh don't worry, I'm typing my pm out now.

EDIT: Sent

[Pursanator]

Issue with walls is, first Tau can fly over them and so can eldar. Space marines can teleport to an extent and jetpack, IG can deepstrike tank over them but that's it. Dark Eldar fly over. Necrons summon to monolith that teleports over. Sisters of battle......there kinda most effected they'd have to walk majority around or destroy it. Orks too.

It's just not something I'd put into "Skirmish" gameplay. If it was an attack and defend style gameplay sure it would be good there.

Besides OMG how the AI will abuse this lol.

So i mentioned this on other thread so ill bring it up in this discussion just cause i'd like everyones opinion really xD

ALSO A QUESTION TO YOU ALL! WHAT DO YOU THINK OF "MERCENARIES UNITS"?

Some units that can be hired for large amounts of requisition but built instantly and starting off with high level gear and stats who can appear at a time of great need. For instance Tau would give a Kroot Merc squad (very common in 40k universe). Orc's give Loota Mercs (Orc mercs are common). Imperial guard mercs are easily possible in the form of...rough riders or...catachans. Eldar as young warriors out to prove themselves away form the craftworld (not sure what units but it would be possible for them to do such a thing). Dark Eldar out to do nothing more than kill! (very easy to see them doing this) Now the hard end of the stick. Necrons are seamingly impossible lol, maybe a malfunction in their robotic hearts releasing the spirits of the Necrontyr trapped inside and finding what they were deciding to go out as mercs for what else can the do. Chaos......now idk about them cause they could easily do it but like.......there crazy xD. Maybe a trial for Chaos recruits.....to collect the souls/hearts/whatever of so many victims and return to the chaos. Space marines could be similar but on a more honourable level (althoguh SM working with these guys......) maybe a disgraced captain trying to reclaim his honour? And last but not least Sisters of Battle, their chapter all but destroyed a single squad of sisters fight the lonely battle for their chapter to purge the heretics.

I think it would be great to incorporate a little story to the game's skirmishes lol Have unique squads with names and small backstories xD

Cheers guys

[Cylarne_04]

@Pursanator: That's a very good point for the walls. Haven't really thought about that. For my fun though, I might as well create walls for testing purposes and results. See what happens then I'll decide if it is OFFICIALLY a good idea or not.

I might consider doing mercenaries in 1.63.

EDIT: Maybe I can make walls give cover bonuses?

[Pursanator]

LOL ok fair enough. Just don't focus on them too much don't wanna get distracted. And can we have more questions in other thread xD

EDIT: O and for an example of what i mean by the whole Mercs thing. Have a look at or remember Starcraft 2 with its Merc building that highers elite troops Thats the sort of idea

EDIT: Maybe I can make walls give cover bonuses?

Thats a good idea, but not normal sized walls they'd have to be like chest high otherwise the cover bonus is technically 100% xD

Also how about trenches or "sandbags" as cover (sandbags is just a loos term for something to provide a little protection.)
Think Company of heroes! barbwire, sandbags, trenches, tank traps...i like tank traps xD (could be some future tank trap that also stops tanks flying over? with magnets or something idk xD)

ALSO i think this should include more traps, i mentioned the Snare Mines before but det packs and c4 sorta things to plant in a huge attack and set off when enemy walk past, sabotaging points that explode when someone tries to capture them, that sorta thing to bring out the true face of war

Is there anyway to do garrisonable buildings that could be scattered around the map? Or make bunkers that can be garrisoned and built?

[Dante551]

PUR
yes there is one of the mods did it i don't remember which one but they have done it.

also they made it so the orks could build the walls and gates that you see in DOW without any expansions

i wish there was a way to make it so you could turn buildings.

[Cylarne_04]

Ah ha ha! You guys will love the walls, trust me. It's very fun and entertaining. Just for a warning though, there are no animations for it yet.

[whitewolfmxc]

ok some small question :

OH but first , AWESOME MOD , man ive only played this for a day for the first time and im HOOKED

Yeah anyway , is there a chance if you put XP2 into the direct version of the mod ? cuase i still want to play normal battles but with the new races ? any chance ? Also what new races are added ? (tyranid , Demon hunters only ?)

[Pursanator]

Ah ha ha! You guys will love the walls, trust me. It's very fun and entertaining. Just for a warning though, there are no animations for it yet.

Lol ok then xD what about the ai?

Also what new races are added ?

New races as of the moment are Tyranid and Daemonhunters and theres a debate as to whether Steel Legion will become one.

[Cylarne_04]

Alright so there are two complications.
1. AI
2. rotation.

@WhiteWolfmxc: You mean a complete download package of the Actual mod, XP1 and XP2? Yes.

Pursanator explained your other question.

[Dante551]

is rotation even possible also you can they made it so that there 4 or 5 wall and 4 gates one for each direction and for the wall a 45 degree angle one so you could make a fort

[Pursanator]

LOL a fort that will easily fall to Tau >: )

"YOU CAN'T GET IN MY AWESOME FOR........o you jumped over the walls.......well i didn't expect that" lol

Whats the health of these wall segements and how big are they, can you get a screenshot?

[Cylarne_04]

There is one wall facing 0* and one facing 45* but not one facing 90*. Also the orientation code does not solve the problem as it glitches the structure's placement from one position to the next which is strange and annoying.

EDIT:
Oh, you can upgrade walls... in time. You can repair them by one simple click... in time. Quick to build and cheap. Requires tier II though as it makes sense because of their size. Their health starts at 500 and can be upgraded like turrets.

I'll get screenshots soon.

[Dante551]

maybe i have to find the mod again dont know what it was called
if you have ever seen a map that uses the ork wall pieces from the map editor they are that big
the health was somewhere around 5-6 k health don't know what armor it had but it did give cover bonuses

[Pursanator]

http://forums.relicnews.com/showthre...enshots-31-08-)

This has some good defensive stuff (whether its useable idk)

Cylarne maybe you could get some of that defensive stuff? Idk xD

[Dante551]

the first thing i do with any mod no matter how good is change it so i can get ll guys with heavy weapons and more artillery tanks.
also are the tau going to have weapon upgrades for their fire warriors or no????

[Cylarne_04]

That actually could be too big, but I haven't found any better.

And woah, total fail as I have to keep up with the f5 button.

@Pursanator: Thanks for link dude.

[Pursanator]

wow lol ok at least they look big enough to withstand a titan. In straight sections that'll be really good shame about the corners although tbh it might not need them. this is gonna be so cheap LOL

[Dante551]

o_0 ooooooooo so shiny cant wait now!!!!!

i can prolly edit the model if someone will extract int a .exp format or .xsi format wont take very long

[Cylarne_04]

@Pursanator: Lol I know. Even the simplest things are BAM.

@Dante551: That'll be awesome. .exp or xsi format?

[Dante551]

for softimage xsi its the only modeling program i have and i cant use the dawn of war ones that they put out for a file is missing!!!!

[Pursanator]

So unique textures for each race?

[Cylarne_04]

Perhaps. I just don't know if I know anyone to export .xsi files.

Is neilmarines within contact? Maybe I could use some of that stuff for lesser tiers.

[Dante551]

hmm what is the program that is used to edit the models for dawn of war???? i might be able to find a demo

[Pursanator]

his last activity was april 2010 so....idk.

IronWarrior42 (i believe Cosmocrat and Whiteshield know him)

said this

hello neilmarines, i've done a lot of this stuff in my own mod including walls, tanktraps, razorwire, etc and it can be made to "work" with some effort so don't get discouraged, i'd offer to help but im currently lost in the warp so to speak but i can offer the following helpfull bit of info, there's a block_line_of_sight_ext thats from one of the older versions of the game and through the use of that and some simple ability coding for my buildings ive been able to get them to work such that enemies cannot shoot "in" through walls but for better or for worse one can shoot "out" through ones own walls, pm me if you like and i'll try to elaborate but i have no idea when this warpdoom im currently trapped in will abate next, so please be patient RE: response times

So you could contact him about it seeing as he is still active

EDIT: @Dante I didn't look through but this might have some help xD

[Cylarne_04]

hmm what is the program that is used to edit the models for dawn of war???? i might be able to find a demo

MAX can do that? How?

Oh, IronWarrior42 and I are almost good buddies as we were talking... today actually. I'll ask.

@Profman: I'll update pages 24 and 25 in a summary. Stay tuned to a pm shortly.

[Dante551]

????? what cylarne

pursanator why a unique texture for each race ....its a cement wall ....
i think all the races should build sand bags and razorwire thought

[whitewolfmxc]

Ok , any chance of adding chaos demons as a faction ? And maybe you guys can talk to the Space wolves mod thier work is pretty solid and might add a new flavour to marines (to my opnion only the SW and BT have the righ to be a standalone Sm force outside the codex)

Also i just mean having new races adding into actual mod instead of having only for XP2 , or will you just merge the whole 3 mods into one later on ?

Also any new flyers coming ? id like some Vaklaries / storm ravens / thunder hawks lol

Also whats new added in the "real" 1.62 release ? just want some pointers XD

[RevanFan]

I would like to see the Chaos Daemons, as well. Especially if the Steel Legion aren't in. If the Steel Legion do get the okay, and there's a Chaos Daemons race, then it would be total awesomeness. I'm all for adding as many new races as it makes sense to add.

[ProfMan96]

holy mama baking pancakes....you guys are adding a new page daily! and my oh my, I never knew people here posted amazingly long wall post. I'm still trying to read it, but it seems I'm not patient enough to go through that. hats off to those that braved that wall post (no offense)
@Cylarne : now, speaking of walls....are you really really sure on integrating them into the mod? I mean, how will the ai react to them? your call though

hmm....and, GUO pukes a pink box....guess you missed his ranged projectile model thingy. oh, and that was thanks to hydraxon. credit goes to him for that. I can't believe I missed that (and of course, apologies if someone mentioned that, I have been having troubles with a new page added every time I go to sleep. it gets, tiresome

[RevanFan]

now, speaking of walls....are you really really sure on integrating them into the mod?

I love the idea. It will help people like me defend their bases better (I, for one, happen to suck at the game.) Maybe make it a feature that can be turned off and on like win conditions? Also, can't the AI be modified to use walls correctly?

[Hydraxon]

Walls would be a great addition to the game.I really like the idea.You could make a city or a village out of it like in the campaign.I tried it before myself using Necron's energy beacon and it didnt turn out good.Wasted good 3 hours there.I would be nice if you shorten the build time to like very quick?

[Joekid13]

hello apocalypse mod team im joekid13 and im a big fan of yours and mgiht i ask why didnt you put in the triotholith for necrons?

[Hydraxon]

I found a blind spot in the S.M. and I.G. orbital nuke superweapon.It seems like you could survive the blast by going to the centre where the light glows before exploding.Only singular units could survive though.Boreale and G.Vance Stubbs survived it with full health.Ill post pics later.

Anyway,go towards the light...

[ProfMan96]

whoa, did the 2 of you just registered to write in this apocalyptic thread? if so, WHOA! AWESOME!

as for the blind-spot....hmm...I'll try to replicate it.

@hydraxon : next time dude, just edit your previous post. it'll make it easier to summarize the pages.

same goes to the rest of you. it's a forum people, not a chatspace. Please try to post your ideas/comments in one post. I'm just saying...don't go a knocking on my door at night and make me disappear for unwanted reasons....

[Pursanator]

pursanator why a unique texture for each race ....its a cement wall

do you see Necron using cement???? LIVING METAL OR NOTHING!!!!

and eldar....its just not pretty enough for them lol.

same goes to the rest of you. it's a forum people, not a chatspace.

I find when you edit posts and someones already read it they glance over it lol but i will TRY to do as you ask xD

@Joekid13 Welcome Mate!

@Cylarne I think theres quite alot of support for a Daemon race, maybe see how much support officially with a question in other thread?

Also I didn't like the idea of walls at first but if they can be done with a Toggle In win conditions that would be great. MAYBE they should be turned off for AI? Make the win condition called Defense where you are only one able to build it but it builds really quick so you can defend the area? Just a thought

[Cylarne_04]

Also i just mean having new races adding into actual mod instead of having only for XP2 , or will you just merge the whole 3 mods into one later on ?

First of all, that's a no no. XP2 IS exactly the actual mod but just adds new races. XP2 is a like a heart of three separate mods. Actual, Tyranids, Inquisition. Secondly, some people may not want to play with 11 races all the time and maybe the main ones.

I'll get to the other non 1st priority comments later as I don't have time to type any longer. Cheers!

[SoulDrinker]

I've found a possible Tau Titan, it is a fan made model, but it still looks Tau-ish:



But officially the Tau use really huge flyers instead of titans, here is the Manta:

[Pursanator]

^Manta is like the only thing i can think of (officially made) that could be called a titan. The walker is good i admit, in my opinion though seems a bit.....dare i say too robotic if you know what i mean. I mean look at tau's official stuff then look at that and. Idk personally i think it looks outta place. It is good though You know like.......we could have a competition for Tau Titan? Best design gets put in hehe

Of course only if its going to happen. I mean all the other races have "titans" Tau's a new race so not much in that area.

EDIT: @Dante - Really any chapter could make an entirely new faction lol. Dark Angels are completely different even there basic models. Same with alot of them xD TBH its about who cares about who the most lol for instance i LOVE black templars and thats about it xD

Anyway theres no point having an entirely new race for a different Chapter when you can just add the unique units from each chapter in the general SM. Space Marines can be classes as a "Space Marine Crusade" therefore they have as many chapter as they want lol

[Dante551]

soul drinker i have had the walker up now for awhile glad im not the only who thinks it might make a good one

whitewolf i think your wrong about the chapters that deserve being separate from the codex
space wolves
blood angels
black templars
Concsecrators they entire chapter wheres Mark 6 'Corvus' power armour.
chaos deamons would be nice

[demetrius]

@revanfan i agree with Chaos Daemons,but as last and final race with tyranids.

[Cylarne_04]

I might actrually make the whole Daemon race myself if it is not in progress. The models are present and the stats are ingame ready. But all we need is a new commander, builder unit, secondary commander, and structures. It'll be fun.

Also any new flyers coming ? id like some Vaklaries / storm ravens / thunder hawks lol

Me too lad, me too.

@Cylarne : now, speaking of walls....are you really really sure on integrating them into the mod? I mean, how will the ai react to them? your call though

Why not? Don't want them? Set the win condition.

hmm....and, GUO pukes a pink box....guess you missed his ranged projectile model thingy.

Nope and fixed a while ago but thanks for saying something.

@Joekid13: Thought you were Krronus there.

ask why didnt you put in the triotholith for necrons?

We decided not to as it's too big. Aeonic Orb is utmost the unholy sanctuary. Welcome lad to the forums too.

I found a blind spot in the S.M. and I.G. orbital nuke superweapon.It seems like you could survive the blast by going to the centre where the light glows before exploding.Only singular units could survive though.Boreale and G.Vance Stubbs survived it with full health.Ill post pics later.

Noticed that and it will be worked on.

next time dude, just edit your previous post. it'll make it easier to summarize the pages.

Over ruled.

With the walls, there are going to be slight changes. But I share it not here, I want to surprise you all with 1.62.5. But I can say that the Fortress win condition will affect them.

[Pursanator]

LOL you sly dog Cylarne....I'm watching you xD I'm expecting something pretty good if your keeping it secret lol

[Cylarne_04]

Well there is about 17 secrets as Krronus's list of the future is believe it or not slightly longer than... RT2's text. Slightly. More ideas from him then he owns the list.

EDIT: Dare I say, Muah ha ha ha ha ha ha! Evil! Evil!

[Pursanator]

Wow, thats impressive lol.

What you working on atm?

EDIT: And don't say the mod lol

[Cylarne_04]

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Playing XP1 (1.62)

I don't dare spoil my plans. ^^

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EDIT: It actually depends on how desperate you are.

[Pursanator]

Playing XP1 (1.62)

^THAT was so not worth it lol. There's 2 minutes of my life i'll never get back xD

EDIT: Glad to see your having fun though lol. And i meant if you were working on getting the Daemons started or just anything you've already mentioned lol. I didn't expect you to divulge everything xD

Also it wasn't desperation it's intrigue and curiosity xD Its 2am here i should have slept ages ago so i'm not all with it right now xD