Ultimate Apocalypse - 1.72.5 Released!

**Cosmocrat** · 30th Nov 11 11:01 AM

For those who haven't looked over there on moddb already you might want to do now as some nice pictures were added through the last weeks showing off work of wheter RT 2, Demetrius and even myself :P.

Look over here

http://www.moddb.com/mods/ultimate-a...taff-reworked3

(Model and texture by me; yay i managed to do some awesome texture the first time :3 a huge hug goes to diddley squat for showing me that awesome tutorial for Photoshop)

Else i feel with you beta testers as i see that huge wall of work coming towards you. You might not know yet what's awaiting you in the future but be warned... ;-)

But having a nice day is still vital anyway!

-Cosmocrat

**Cylarne_04** · 30th Nov 11 11:04 AM

@Tomb Deathwing: The ai gets cramped because they move ALL their units to their HQ position which is closed in with little space to move. If I get arid of that command it can easily be fixed.

Unless you want me to expand the build radius doing up less and less room for your build space which is highly UN-AC-CEPTABLE for this mod. Thudmeizer agrees with you. I despise this idea for many reasons.

EDIT: Oh hi Cosmo.

**Gambit** · 30th Nov 11 11:39 AM

Else i feel with you beta testers as i see that huge wall of work coming towards you. You might not know yet what's awaiting you in the future but be warned... ;-)

Cosmo, the UA team has achieved... marvels, through VERY hard work. We are all perfectly aware of this (and the same stands for Cylarne's Daemons MOD). The LEAST we can do as playtesters, is to "hunt" as hard as we can for even little tiny issues, to ensure that YOUR work is flawless when freely distributed to the public. It is our task to HANDLE WHATEVER YOU "THROW" AT US!!!

**Cylarne_04** · 1st Dec 11 10:19 PM

@Testers: Ok, I'm getting many PMs about "when you will receive my feedback about your buglists" and other stuff. ONE PM is enough and I'm already half way done. Remember, I'm reading the buglist bug by bug, so it will take a while like my usual days.

Again, I'm sorry you have to wait for the BETA even though it is done. Please blame my security crap going on about my uploads/downloads.

**Mistico** · 2nd Dec 11 7:48 AM

I saw a mod which enabled the Orks to build walls,kind of wooden walls. So I'm just wondering,are you gonna add walls to the Ork race?

**Tomb Deathwing** · 2nd Dec 11 8:58 AM

@ Cylarne "Unless you want me to expand the build radius doing up less and less room for your build space"

No sir I will never ask such thing...

But
what I wanted to recommend is that if you could shrink the building model to one tile but keeping the blue square size intact were I will put the building or expand to one tile radius the same square but keeping the model size intact... like the original game, you can build the buildings near to to one to another ,in the exit ,and a narrow path an at least the infantry will not stuck because they can cross between the buildings for the extra space ,I think it will help the ai with the mob infantry even if the ai is still stubborn to build alot to block himself.....I hope this is understandable ^^; LOL

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Of course the vehicle is another Story LOL

**Cylarne_04** · 2nd Dec 11 10:47 AM

I saw a mod which enabled the Orks to build walls,kind of wooden walls. So I'm just wondering,are you gonna add walls to the Ork race?

Yes, static with no animation, or not.

@T Death:

**Tomb Deathwing** · 2nd Dec 11 11:11 AM

**Tomb Deathwing** · 2nd Dec 11 1:34 PM

and Sir there is a last thing i want to ask for change...

Wargears.

they are too cheap...I like to ask if you can make them more pricey...the original wargear mod for soulstorm have the gear at least 3 ,4 , 6 time the price than UA...this update I want the Wargrear at least spend with 3 digits in requisition above the 300 requisition or energy

...if you approve of course.

**Cylarne_04** · 2nd Dec 11 3:42 PM

Wargears.

they are too cheap...

above the 300 requisition or energy

That's insane.

**Tomb Deathwing** · 2nd Dec 11 4:35 PM

Come on Lord of UA

I think I'm not asking new units?.....in necron example....

the wargears selection spending like, 300 ,650 ,350 and 850.....like those prices....I don't understand why must be insane Good Sir?
a little spending of what buy first can hurt.

beside in the end , the requisition flow will come anyway good sir.

**Gambit** · 2nd Dec 11 5:46 PM

@Tomb Deathwing: I recall (many posts before) me, suggesting the same thing. Cylarne replied that, in UA the wargear is no big deal due to the proportions of Apocalyptic armies, thus the reduced resources cost. And I very much agreed.

On the other hand, I would like all races to be able to enhance their primary hero with wargear (the two additional races in XP2 have no "native" wargear support). But then again, what I imply here is WAY TOO MUCH to ask....

-But, chief Cylarne, what about wargear for DAEMONS primary hero? It is your project (YOU are god there), so is it doable/desirable?
I mean, NOT anything much, perhaps two weapons, two armors (breast-plate, helmet, etc.) and three or four body mutations.... (or, ONLY mutations).
Remember, DC and SS implement wargear as standard for all races, so why not for all non-vanilla races? (starting with...Daemons?)

P.S.: Sorry for posting Daemon suggestions in UA thread, but I think that it is not irrelevant.

**Tomb Deathwing** · 2nd Dec 11 5:58 PM

@ Gambit

Yes Mr Gambit I recall I make the petition before, At least It cannot hurt to ask when a new version appear, beside that little thing wasn't a huge inbalance, it's just a few mods in the value cost I was asking ...because honestly....

I like to spend a lot of energy in upgrade new things(in necron example) no just reinforcing like a maniac LOL....At least is the commander wargears I was asking,

not just all apocalypse project

:lmao:

**Cylarne_04** · 2nd Dec 11 7:01 PM

Originally Posted by TD (Not Total Destruction)

Come on Lord of UA I think I'm not asking new units?.....in necron example....

I know.

850

You can get a Baneblade for 500. And it can shoot.

But, chief Cylarne

Where's the but on that?

Originally Posted by Gambit

wargear for DAEMONS primary hero?

You're forgetting the Tyranids and IDH.

I'll leave you both to think on that.

Wargear is redone in 1.63.31.

**Tomb Deathwing** · 2nd Dec 11 8:35 PM

@Cylarne

Adknowledge Sir..

We will wait to see 1.63.3.1

"the patient one will have the rewards"

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1.63.31 LOL

**Cylarne_04** · 4th Dec 11 6:26 PM

@Tomb Deathwing: I change my mind, your request is done bro. Now the wargear is redone again just with the extra cost. xD

**PsykoTenshi** · 5th Dec 11 9:32 AM

Ow. More expensive wargear. I really liked it inexpensive... Exactly how more expensive?

In other news, the internet connection in my house went down two days ago, and seemingly won't be coming back anytime soon (we need a rage smilie).
If things go just as planned I should be receiving another, faster connection the 10th.

Resuming, at least my actual provider decides to resume its activities, I'll be offline until the 10th-11th.

**Cylarne_04** · 5th Dec 11 11:30 AM

Ow. More expensive wargear. I really liked it inexpensive... Exactly how more expensive?

100/100 for first weapon stages. 75/75 for miscellaneous wargear (helmets, gauntlets). 150/150 for second wargear stages (last weapons and armor based wargear). 200/200 for the extra special wargear (Gaze of Flame, Soulstone, etc.). And then some are varied. (125/125 (Teleporters or special grenades))

**Gambit** · 5th Dec 11 2:44 PM

100/100 for first weapon stages. 75/75 for miscellaneous wargear (helmets, gauntlets). 150/150 for second wargear stages (last weapons and armor based wargear). 200/200 for the extra special wargear (Gaze of Flame, Soulstone, etc.). And then some are varied. (125/125 (Teleporters or special grenades))

Excellent approach (and exactly as I see it, as well

)

**METAL GOD** · 5th Dec 11 3:07 PM

greetings I would like to make a suggestion: it would be possible to increase the health of Flash Gitz, increase the size of Mega Armoured Nobz squad to a +2 and the number in units of honor, for example the honor TankBustaz Squadto 6.

**RMX** · 5th Dec 11 6:49 PM

Wow, Cosmocrat's already working on 5th ed Necrons stuff? It seemed like yesterday when people didn't know what to make of them.

Looking forward to seeing some Deathmarks.

Keep up the good job.

**Dante551** · 5th Dec 11 10:02 PM

hopefully the beta comes out after ten days then ill be on Christmas break muwhahahah

**Hellboy** · 5th Dec 11 10:27 PM

Why i not in comand?
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**Dante551** · 6th Dec 11 7:25 AM

Why i not in comand?

and what does this mean?

**PsykoTenshi** · 6th Dec 11 7:06 PM

@ Lord Cylarne: Yeah, those prices are ok-ish

. I was just not wanting to pay 250-250 for a meele weapon upgrade.

In other news: Yay! I'm back from the grimdark zone of offline-ness!
And I come with a sorta bug report: Unlike all other IG vehicles, the Stormblade can be repaired by two Techpriests at the same time in the current public version.

Originally Posted by Gambit

Where did PsykoTenshi see a 250/250 for a mere WEAPON upgrade?

I didn't. Tomb Deathwing initially suggested prices way above that (300/650 and 350/850, if I understood correctly) and I approximated 250/250 as a middle term thing between the current values and his suggestion.

I don't remember this very precisely, but last time I played as Orks (a loooong time ago) and I used Flash Gitz, I thought they were quite fragile considering they're Nobz with big guns.

**Cylarne_04** · 7th Dec 11 2:57 PM

@ Lord Cylarne: Yeah, those prices are ok-ish . I was just not wanting to pay 250-250 for a meele weapon upgrade.

I'm now with you, I'm starting to dislike my changed prices. Ik, too expensive... too expensive for a weapon, and teleporters.

Why i not in comand?

and what does this mean?

...means he's not BETA testing for obvious reasons. That is if he gets my PM.

greetings I would like to make a suggestion: it would be possible to increase the health of Flash Gitz, increase the size of Mega Armoured Nobz squad to a +2 and the number in units of honor, for example the honor TankBustaz Squadto 6.

Maybe.

**Gambit** · 7th Dec 11 3:06 PM

Cylarne, you initially said:

100/100 for first weapon stages. 75/75 for miscellaneous wargear (helmets, gauntlets). 150/150 for second wargear stages (last weapons and armor based wargear). 200/200 for the extra special wargear (Gaze of Flame, Soulstone, etc.). And then some are varied. (125/125 (Teleporters or special grenades))

And I agreed. Only a 200/200 appears here and you said that, such prices would only address to special wargear. Where did PsykoTenshi see a 250/250 for a mere WEAPON upgrade?
Am I missing something?

P.S.: Profman sir, I am waiting PT orders (I know the next beta is not yet ready for us, just wanna make my availability clear

)...

EDIT: Never mind, just got it....

**Tomb Deathwing** · 8th Dec 11 7:46 AM

I like those prices.....adequate Good Sir...

Now about the other thing ...about this one is the one I really like :
what I wanted to recommend is that if you could shrink the building model to one tile but keeping the blue square size intact were I will put the building ,or expand to one tile radius the same square but keeping the model size intact... like the original game, you can build the buildings near to to one to another ,in the exit ,and a narrow path an at least the infantry will not stuck because they can cross between the buildings for the extra space ,I think this will help the ai even if the ai continue to build to close to the point it block himself ,that extra space will help at least the infantry to navigate between the buildings...this one is what really like

**Cylarne_04** · 8th Dec 11 5:53 PM

Hi.

Apocalypse Mod Team

In other news too, my "online security sealed system of blah and blah blah" will be fixed this upcoming Tuesday. What does this mean? I can finally upload the ALPHA-BETA to my testers.

So testers, look up there in the Apoc Mod Team, if you see your name with (Status: Pass) Then you are in the BETA to test.

Whoops...
Now about the other thing ...about this one is the one I really like :

what I wanted to recommend is that if you could shrink the building model to one tile but keeping the blue square size intact were I will put the building ,or expand to one tile radius the same square but keeping the model size intact... like the original game, you can build the buildings near to to one to another ,in the exit ,and a narrow path an at least the infantry will not stuck because they can cross between the buildings for the extra space ,I think this will help the ai even if the ai continue to build to close to the point it block himself ,that extra space will help at least the infantry to navigate between the buildings...this one is what really like

Kk, well, I'll do something soon enough.

**PsykoTenshi** · 8th Dec 11 7:21 PM

I'm not graded... Does this mean that I should offer some bug reports in sacrifice to the Apocalypse gods to gain some favor?

**Cylarne_04** · 8th Dec 11 8:43 PM

@Psychoochoo: No. No need bro, I just didn't get to you yet.

**Count Bagatur** · 8th Dec 11 10:04 PM

Hello, Cylarne. How your successes with modding Ultimate Apocalypse?

**Tomb Deathwing** · 9th Dec 11 8:04 AM

@ PsykoTenshi ...

Sir ,in my POV there is no need for gain favor as individuals, even I don't want one (I'm Happy to stick in the shadows)...We are here for the Greater good...

We are here to support the ways of Apocalypse as a collective, as a group

,our reward will be improvements in future release !!!!

Cheer out sir

to do one's bit is all wishes of each individual

**Khorne_1984** · 9th Dec 11 11:26 AM

Hi everyone! Just a few things I've noticed while playing this awesome mod:
1- Tyrannids don't build Hive Nodes (turrets)
2- While playing in Hero Mode, if you attach a commander unit (i.e. the ork warlord) with a level different than Regular(1) to a squad, and then separate him, the level gets back to Regular(1). The same thing happens even if I turn the Necron Lord into the Nightbringer or the Deceiver.

I have some advices too:
1- I've seen a strange chaotic structure from another mod (can't remember the name. There's the same structure in Winter Assault - Chaotic Campaign - third level, I think). It has a circular shape with a pool of blood in the middle. You can use it as super-structure for Chaos, instead of the portal (I think it could be much more appropriate).
2- Mark of Khorne can't summon Tzeench's Daemons and vice versa. Mark of Slaneesh can't summon Nurgle's daemons and vice versa.

Anyway, you are doing a GREAT JOB!!!

PS: forgive my VERY POOR English... I'm Italian

**Gambit** · 9th Dec 11 12:18 PM

While playing in Hero Mode, if you attach a commander unit (i.e. the ork warlord) with a level different than Regular(1) to a squad, and then separate him, the level gets back to Regular(1). The same thing happens even if I turn the Necron Lord into the Nightbringer or the Deceiver.

It depends on the version/implementation of the heroes mod. I remember having encountered this issue, but not anymore (I was too unrelated to modding back then, so I didn't check what was wrong).
There surely are some issues with the heroes win condition... Too pity, it is a MUST for serious multiplayer and skirmishes!!!!

I have an other one. Try: Upgrade a commander unit to a high level (4th for example). Attach him to a squad of lower level. Send them to a fight, and try to lose the whole squad, but not the commander. Recheck his level. It is 1st!!! His stats remain upgraded, but his level RESETS!!! He can now freely re-advance, anew! I managed to get my chaplain to .... 50000 hps!!!!
It seems, if the detach is forced (and not selected though the detach button), the level resets....

@Cylarne: My AE skills are also improving (thanks to Chiu and Thudo), so I could also slightly assist you in AE.... But I am sure you guys are PORFS!!!

**Cylarne_04** · 9th Dec 11 1:16 PM

What is the latest heroes mod version? How do I know what version we have?

**METAL GOD** · 9th Dec 11 3:29 PM

Hi all. Is it normal that appear in the installation folder of the game? 12-8-2011_22_25_16_ErrorLog.txt and 10-11-2011_21_45_18_MiniDump.dmp.
Appears every time I play. The txt delete them, but the 10-11-2011_21_45_18_MiniDump.dmp keep them, for if I change the installation

**PsykoTenshi** · 9th Dec 11 3:57 PM

@ METAL GOD: A set of those (one of each) is generated every time Soulstorm crashes. You can safely delete all of them, though I like to take a look at the ErrorLog.txt files, to find out which .dll or .exe failed me.

**Gambit** · 9th Dec 11 4:13 PM

Cylarne said:

What is the latest heroes mod version? How do I know what version we have?

Cylarne, let me check, and I will report tomorrow. I am sure I will have to search a lot...

**METAL GOD** · 9th Dec 11 4:59 PM

@PsykoTenshi : then, remove the txt and dmp. there are lots of dll file in the text. In the installation folder and also dWindows \ system32 ... But apparently the game does well, does not leave the desktop or block it. the game is in spain laguage and I adjust the AI control panel to my preferences. Perhaps it has something to do with it. Anyway thanks for the clarification

**Gambit** · 9th Dec 11 5:31 PM

@Cylarne: OK, I found this page: http://forums.relicnews.com/showthre...ying-version-2

Unfortunately CutterShane, the mastermind behind heroes is no longer among us.... Heaven is his current home.

I noticed that many parties that have incorporated the "heroes" code to their MODS, have made some improvements to the initial files....
I am not by any means able to find out anything more, as things get messy with all the mods out there!!!!

My current info is that it has been "dormant" for 3 years....

SO, Cylarne, why don't we start a new thread, inquiring info about the "heroes" and see what can come out of this?
After all, it is a project that can be included to ANY mod at ANY time, MANY will be intrested in this project and it is also TOO GOOD to be left out (I do not remember playing a MP/skirmish game without enabling the "heroes" condition...).

P.S.: Cylarne, do you want me to check the UA "heroes" files to see our version status?

**PsykoTenshi** · 9th Dec 11 6:36 PM

@ METAL GOD: Ah, otro jugador de habla hispana. El archivo txt muestra muchísimos dll's. Sin embargo la información importante está en la primera línea, así:

Soulstorm.exe caused a No Memory in module ntdll.dll at 001b:7c93b3db.

El idioma en el que esté el juego sólo influye en qué archivos .ucs son cargados y no veo cómo el panel de control de la IA podría tener algo que ver.
(the same as above but in English)
Ah, another Spanish speaking player. The txt file shows lots of dll's. The important info however, is on the first line, like this:

Soulstorm.exe caused a No Memory in module ntdll.dll at 001b:7c93b3db.

The game's set language only changes which .ucs files are loaded and i don't see how the AI control panel could have something to do with this.

Ñ

**titlams** · 10th Dec 11 4:26 AM

There is a updated heroes in the Skirmish AI mod. It is already modular.

**Gambit** · 10th Dec 11 5:42 AM

Thanks for the info man.

**Count Bagatur** · 10th Dec 11 6:49 AM

Hello friends, when will be finished new patch?

**Gambit** · 10th Dec 11 7:10 AM

when will be finished new patch?

As far as I know, the "heroes" project is no longer under development. (you were referring to this, right?)
But I would VERY MUCH like to see it resurrected again!!!

**Count Bagatur** · 10th Dec 11 7:30 AM

Yes i would very much like it too!

**Khorne_1984** · 10th Dec 11 9:50 AM

Just another thing.
While playing with SM I've noticed that if I build the Champion, then I can't build the Chapter Master. But if I create first the Chapter Master, then I can build the Champion!

**METAL GOD** · 10th Dec 11 10:07 AM

@ PsykoTenshi : hello again, I thought I was the only Spanish speaker!!! I've been watching the source of the problem relating to ntdll.dll and to be honest I do not understand a shit. when I perform a search, the location of the file is in C:\Windows\System32 or C:\Windows\winsxs\amd64_microsoft-windows-ntdll ... And here it already exceeds my few computer skills. A question. There are no range.... texts in my game. this is why the .ucs files. you know somewhere to get . ucs in English to fix this.

All people: happy day of the fight against animal abuse.

**Tyrantarmy6** · 10th Dec 11 10:10 AM

@Khorne_1984: the Champion is for as far as I know incompatible with the Chapter Master. In other words... you have to choose.

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