As someone who plays tanks, this nerf will make my job easier.
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#851
As someone who plays tanks, this nerf will make my job easier.
As someone who plays MF alot. IM also very happy for this. =D
As someone who plays only squishy casters I'm also very happy for this.
A teaser of Graves just popped
Looks pretty cool, now all it needs is Colt Hallam designing his kit and it's an instant day 1 purchase
I like three things:
1) Westerns
2) Shotguns
3) Killing Twisted Fate
Guess I should start saving my IP.
“To dare is to lose one's footing momentarily.
Not to dare is to lose oneself.”
- Soren Kierkegaard
#856
I was sold at cigar.
I unlocked Yorick recently and have been learning the mechanics of the character by playing Dominion matches with some friends. As it turns out, Yorick is surprisingly efficient in that game mode, able to lay siege and defend points with relative ease.
#858
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Why did the entire enemy team have exhaust when Karthus was on it?
What happens in Greenville, SC stays in Greenville, SC.
#859
No! Skarner Free week... I'll never get to play him
#860
Don't worry no one will choose him anyway
THE RAIN TRANSFORMED
#861
Hope so, because I actually think I'm good with him
lol... Good Skarner.
#863
Pfft, So am. Ask TheLoneKnight. I rock
Everyone's a pro in this thread. Just ask them.
I am not a pro! My favourite bruiser is Wukong. What do I know? :0)
Are you a pro?Originally Posted by Brenil
Yes.
#868
I'm not a pro. Never even claimed to be. I can only play one champion with even moderate competence.
"Fear nothing except in the certainty that you are your enemy's begetter and its only hope of healing. For everything that does evil is in pain."
-The Maestro Sartori, Imajica by Clive Barker
Oh cool we got something in common
#870
Graves' judgement makes me want to hunt down TF exclusively if I play against him as Graves.
Everything makes me want to hunt down TF exclusively if I play against him. I hate that smug cajun bastard. But yeah, Graves is the man! I am saving up IP. Even if the champion is a lesser Vayne, I am still going to play him on the principle of his story and appearance.
Who is this 'Twisted Fate', you speak of?
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wik...he_Card_Master
#874
I like how you linked that, even though Brenil obviously knows what TF means. Perhaps Brenil was commenting on how no one plays TF anymore because of how pooptastic he is without his global ult (comparatively pooptastic to similar champions, that is).
#875
He's alright if you can hit gold card consistently.
Then again, all ranged carries suck since Cait.
Good thing TF is a mage then.He's alright if you can hit gold card consistently.
Then again, all ranged carries suck since Cait.
#877
... Seriously? Using that definition makes him even more pooptastic.
He doesn't have the range to compete with other AD's. He might do ok with taric but beyond that I doubt it.
His wild cards have over 700 range and a good AP- ratio so he can compete with most casters, and his blue card can keep his mana sustained. Plus he actually packs some good burst with gold card + lich bane.
Last edited by Inskipp; 13th Oct 11 at 5:02 PM.
Wild Cards are pretty much shit against anyone who can click an inch to the right or left, and any decent opponent won't let you get in range to use your stun to make sure you get a hit off. Why would you take AP TF over any actual AP Carry? Anivia, Annie, Brand, Cass, Lux, Orianna, Malz, Veigar, Ryze are all capable of equal or greater damage output that doesn't require your opponent be brain dead, have better range, and don't require a Lich Bane to be moderately effective.
#880
Maybe that's the issue, no one knows what he is
You're not supposed to spam it on moving targets, unless you have blue buff.Wild Cards are pretty much shit against anyone who can click an inch to the right or left
True but most good TF's don't really spam gold card offensively. A revolving pick-a-card does however act as a wonderful psyche-tool (he's going for gold card, shit I better back up!)any decent opponent won't let you get in range to use your stun to make sure you get a hit off.
Never said he was a top tier- pick, I mainly implied that he can still succeed the role of a caster.Why would you take AP TF over any actual AP Carry?
Sona can succeed in the role of an AD Carry, so can Janna. That doesn't mean they're viable.
Twisted Fate isn't viable in any role currently, because his kit was designed from the ground up to be weak to compensate for having incredible map presence, they took that away, and didn't change anything else to compensate.
Saying he's mediocre at being a caster doesn't mean anything in a game where being mediocre at something means you're going to lose every time unless your opponent makes huge mistakes.
You can't play him to his strengths because he doesn't have any other than blue card, he has an easily dodged skill shot, and 2 abilities that completely rely on landing hits with his short ranged auto attack, or pushing the lane using red cards to harass and his ult is simply BuffedClairvoyance + Nerfed Teleport.
#883
It's funny, because I thought the Neft to Global Ults (TFs Teleport and Panths Mandrop) were in preparation for Magma Chamber...
Since we're having a nitpick night, having two abilities that completely rely on landing hits within a short range never stopped Vayne from becoming viable.
Seriously, what's with this heated debate over semantics? Everyone who posted on this topic, even Brenil with his failed attempt at internet sarcsm, admitted that TF sucks!
#885
TF sucks in every regard. Ask Graves.
Discussion over
Reading Graves- judgement with this song really opens a whole new layer of awesome.
No, both of those skills just happened to give those characters a gross amount of map control in summoners rift.
#888
By that Notion Inskipp, Teleport should have range as well.
Teleport requires a target and is on a significant cooldown.
The target requirement applies to Shen's Stand United, before somebody brings that up.
Vaynes %health true damage every 3 hits is totally equal to poorly scaling magic damage every 4... right? right?
Tumble is a useful positioning tool, and HELPS you get into range for that short ranged autoattack, and makes it do additional damage.
Vaynes passive makes running away from her very difficult. TFs passive gives your team 1 or 2 dragons worth of gold over the course of the game.
Vayne has tools that help her both get into range, help her stay there and give her the chance to escape if it goes bad. Her kit makes sense, and gives her an actual role.
Also, as an aside I don't even feel that Vayne is particularly good, but shes still better than TF.*
*I prefer Kog to Vayne because they fill similar roles (punishing %health, and armor stacking) he has an easier time positioning and actually carrying due to bio arcane barrage being amazing, he can also poke people off towers and generally having twice the range is a huge advantage in teamfights. I admit Vayne is stronger against extremely tanky teams, 1v1 and vs. assassins. But your carry shouldn't have to 1v1, and you should have enough hard CC to shut down an assassin making a run at your carry.
#892
Vayne is hard to itemise against due to her true damage shots, the only real effective counter is more health. I think the problem with this newer champions if in their design; most new champions all have some from of CC which negates the need for a heavy CC tank like Amumu, Alistar or Leona. They almost always seem to have someway of sustaining their lanes longer than most of the older champs.
W: Silver Bolts
Vayne tips her bolts with a rare metal, toxic to evil things. The third consecutive attack or ability against the same target deals an additional 30/40/50/60/70 plus 4/5/6/7/8% of the target's maximum Health as true damage. (Max: 200 damage vs. Monsters)
... How exactly does getting more health help there?
#894
Yeah, stacking extra health doesn't really help against Vayne, because her true damage scales proportionally to your health. Automatically.
That's why Vlads run from her like hell was on their tails.
#895
The only thing that tanks against Vayne is Frozen Heart, from memory.
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In the beginning there was nothing. Then Steam crashed.
#896
This was just too funny to not post.
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Buy Wardens mail, stun her, kill her profit.
Flying Skarner won't be our biggest problem i think, patch preview shows him getting hit by a buff bomb of yet unseen power o.o
*puppies*
From what I've seen so far, Skarner's biggest issues are not the numbers but rather the skill design. They just seem rather clumsy and convoluted for what he does. We'll see whether or not the patch made him more viable but the character itself seems flawed to me.
Well, I bought him on day 1 and never really played him. I guess if I ever want to learn and play him, now is the best time.
Make no mistake. War is coming. With all it's glory, and all it's horror...
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