UPDATED: Halftracks Infantry Skins V3 - Part 4: Smells like Tea Spirit!

[Mirage Knight]

One can always use the "Lehr soldaten" abp's for PE with proper editing in the necessary ebps files, right?

On a side note: It's interesting how you and others see Wehr and PE: as Heer (regular army) and Waffen-SS respectively. From a modding perspective, I tend to see the races as two Heer infantry companies: Wehr being a Grenadier Kompanie associated with an Infanterie Division and PE being a Panzer Grenadier Kompanie associated with a Panzer Division like say...Lehr

Great news, Halftrack - looking forward to seeing your handywork

[Halftrack]

of course, everything can be used as everything.

well, I think the differentiation is quite easy, at least for my skinpack, and I guess for many others, too.
Its the Operation Market Garden campaign, where the 2nd SS Panzer Corps played a key role.

equipmentwise, that does not seem to make much sense on first sight. One faction has all the newest,heaviest and most up to date armor,
like Panzer IV,V and VI, the Ostwind, the 234 series and the 251 series. While the other has only outdated and light vehicles,
Panzer IV D ?! come on! 221 and 222 ? early 250 ? wtf? (my first impression when OF was released ).
On a second sight, for OMG that makes some sense. While in Normandy the german units were at full strength, rested and refitted
with the newest vehicles, (like Panzerlehrdivision) the 9th and 10th SS were heavily depleted, and due to the Falaise cauldron
had almost no armor left when they were sent to Arnhem to regroup and the british and american Paras came over for a visit.

Moddingwise, I really dont care. I dont use the PE anyway and mix the units and skins.
Skinwise, it should make a visual difference for the average player and providing modders with some Waffen SS Camo is not a bad idea.

[Imperial Dane]

Well with their be some wehrmacht camo for those Panzer Lehr grenadiers then ? Otherwise.. Well, as long as i get those fellows i don't care if they're for PE or Wehrmacht that much really :P Although you could do the stormtroopers as the Panzer Lehr Panzergrenadiers i suppose..

[Mirage Knight]

@Imperial Dane: Aside from cammo covers for their helmets, Lehr grenaderie relied on their shelter quarters for concealment.

@Halftrack: That's one thing I don't get with OF. Relic makes references to a Kampfgruppe Lehr being involved at Arnhem, yet anyone who's done their homework history-wise would know that 1. Panzer Lehr had been pulled well away from the front before OMG even took place and 2. it was 2nd SS Panzer Corps (and some regular Infantry and Luftwaffe troops) that the Allied paras and 30th Corps ran into. Volksgrenadier units were never even committed operationally until the end of October 1944.

In case anyone hasn't noticed by now, I'm a stickler for historical accuracy

[Imperial Dane]

Well there's the whole bit with sort of trying to get things to fit over a larger stretch, plus you sort of answered it yourself in regards to the market garden campaign. They're SS. Relic isn't going to be making a campaign directly featuring the SS. Note the same thing with the Tiger Ace campaign. It's not SS Tiger Ace Wittmann. But our Heer friend Maximillian Voss.

And i imagine they just went with Volksgrenadiers as the representative for the low grade wehrmacht troops that existed throughout the period as being the most memorable. They could have gone for Ost-truppen or Luftwaffe troops i suppose. But went for Volksgrenadiers.

[Halftrack]

Thats the relic style for all the game... f.e. the Ostwind hasnt seen combat before 45, only one prototype attached to 1st SS PD during the Bulge.
The V1 rocket was never used tactically, the Staghound mostly used by the Commonwealth...andsoonandsoon

and that Kampfgruppe Lehr thing.. maybe just plain lack of names? As Battlegroups were mostly named by their commanders.
On the other hand they did their homework with the Panzerlehrdivision involved in the US campaign. And the opponent forces during the
british campaign fit. Maybe its just to keep the Waffen SS out of the game?!

I dont want to speak about their infantry and vehicle skin choice.

[kapulA]

Aside from cammo covers for their helmets, Lehr grenaderie relied on their shelter quarters for concealment.

Regarding those - could something resembling a German in a Zeltbahn be made by using a Voss model-mix?
A similar technique perhaps as the one used on the American scout team in BotB?

[Halftrack]

I think of a Zeltbahn every now and then, but with the actual models, it would look weird.

[TigerTanker]

Why not make a new model then? Hungarians also used a similar uniform to Zeltbahn by the way.

http://militiahungarorum.extra.hu/photo/elozetes_06.jpg

[Imperial Dane]

Well how about a mix of M44 uniforms and other uniforms in camoflage ?They can't all be Lehr Panzergrenadiers :P

[Halftrack]

@TT: but...but I am only a small skinner guy. I paint, thats all.
@ID yes. I would for example like to make an Infantryman with M44 uniform in Leibermuster. That will be next, I think.

But I would feel really bad, (espacially about you), if I wouldnt FINALLY release some new stuff of the skinpack.
The Panzerelite for example. Fist post updated.

[Imperial Dane]

Cool Although a bit dissapointed there is not one Luftwaffe trooper with full blue uniform for us non-modder types :P

[Mirage Knight]

Looking get there HT - Downloading now

[Halftrack]

@ID: no problem, you can just rename the abp files in data/art/races/models/panzerelie/soldiers.
if you rename the luftwaffe.abp in whatever, and the weapon_flak_crew.abp in luftwaffe.abp,
then they all should be blue. but all. unfortunately its all or none.

[Imperial Dane]

Then i shall have to do without the blue i suppose.. Can't have everything i suppose :P

[Mirage Knight]

HT: I love what you did on the 1st post for PE there... a real military fashion show

And damn the Luftwaffe soldaten and the Falls are nice...

[Imperial Dane]

They are nice Splendid job Halftrack. Can't wait to see your updated Grenadiers and the commonwealth.. Don't suppose updated Volksgrenadiers would be too much ?

Also: A bit Off-topic. But does anyone know of any good vehicle skinpacks ? Been using the france 1944 one for some time and i'm hoping for something a bit better by now. And so far the only other pack i can find seems a bit.. too keen on adding swaztikas and such. Just figured someone here might have some good suggestions. If i must i'll create a new topic for it.. Just not sure where such an inquiry would go...

[Halftrack]

why the heck should I upgrade the Volksgrenadiers ?! anything wrong with them?

for vehicle skins, I would recommend Georiders or GnigruHs Skins. Both were unfortunately banned here, because they fought each other too much. artist.. tsts.

http://forums.relicnews.com/showthre...010-UPDATE!-gt

http://forums.relicnews.com/showthre...-VARIATIONS***

[Imperial Dane]

Well a bit of camo for them would be nice :P I mean Volksgrenadiers did have it. Not a huge lot. Just a bit would be nice.. Not to say that the quality is bad But they don't stand out that much in comparison to each other on the battlefield.

*runs from the wrath of an angry artist*

[Halftrack]

well those are uniforms, arent they? you can use the leader, but anyway its either all or none again. in the case of volks, i prefered none.

[Bhong]

Those PE skins just look so badass! Amazing job Halftrack! Im in love with your "Oakleaf Autumn smock" would it be possible for you to give a Tankbuster and Panzergrenadier a skin like that? :P

[doom44]

Nice PE skins! ( I lol'd at the title) I'm gonna try these skins out for sure.

[SlipSon]

@HT exelent work on the PE all look great,but you took it to the next level with the luftwaffe and the falls!
can you gime download link for the camouflaged helmet cover from post #108? if it is not too much to ask ofcorse


@ID i m sure the splinter from the stormtroopers will fit the volks

[Halftrack]

no, its not too much to ask. the splinter helmet cover is included in the PE Package.

[ChickenNuggets]

Hey Halftrack! I love the falschirmjagers, they look great in my mod and will look even better when the FG42 ammo belt version is out
Although, I am only using the falschirmagers alone because you said that the grenadiers are mixed together using the same legs and all that which makes it hard for me to use them individually but I'm sure eventually when I stop being so lazy I will try to incorporate them into my mod. Am I allowed to edit the skins slightly to change minor things such as badges?

[Halftrack]

oh, its not toooo hard. just look into the abp files and you will see which parts they use.

sure you can edit minor things for your needs.

[Imperial Dane]

well those are uniforms, arent they? you can use the leader, but anyway its either all or none again. in the case of volks, i prefered none.

Well it's hard to argue against that when you're the one making it all But looking forward to seeing more of your work.

[kapulA]

Looking great! Can't wait to see the final Falls and the updated Panzergrenadiers. Also, do my eyes deceive me, or have you also made the Gamaschen have random colour shades in the skin vars?

[Celution]

Epic PE skinpack HT, now I can finaly replace the WH and PE infantry skins .

[Azooma]

Thanks Halftrack. Added PE.... good!



Using in CoH Mod
attrib\attrib\ebps\races\allies\soldiers\infantry_rifleman_sergeant.rgd
attrib\attrib\ebps\races\axis\soldiers\grenadier_leader.rgd
attrib\attrib\ebps\races\axis\soldiers\stormtrooper_grenadier_leader.rgd
attrib\attrib\ebps\races\axis\soldiers\volksgrenadier_leader.rgd
attrib\attrib\ebps\races\axis_panzer_elite\soldiers\fallshirmjager_leader.rgd
attrib\attrib\ebps\races\axis_panzer_elite\soldiers\luftwaffe_leader.rgd

Must be changed to added '_leader' in animator in entity_blueprint_ext in this files.

Ex)
attrib\attrib\ebps\races\axis_panzer_elite\soldiers\luftwaffe_leader.rgd
Races\PanzerElite\Soldiers\Luftwaffe -> Races\PanzerElite\Soldiers\Luftwaffe_leader






Using in vanilla CoH
You can just use HT's infantry skins.
But you can not watching 'Sqaud leader's skin'




Any my wrong think?

[Zupadupadude]

What. You can't use the squadleaders in vanilla COH if that's what you're talking about.

[Bohewulf]

Thanks for the great PE skins, HT! As usual superb quality in both design and historical accuracy.

The best feature in my opinion, besides the nice camo patterns, are the random headgear variations - even within the same uniform pattern. This makes the squad so much more vivid as headgear was actually the most personalized equipment part above all within small scale units.

Btw, what about adding helmets to the KCHs?

[Halftrack]

@Zuppa: No, you cant. ( and he just wants to show what is needes to do ). But well, technically yes, its possible, even in vanilla CoH.
And even add different crew members etc...
By changing attributes and archiving all, then adding the archives to the RelicCoh.module. As for my skins, I will release such an archive
as soon as the commonwealth is finished and the pack is complete.

@Bohewulf: Besides all historical correctness, I like to keep the look of the different squads a bit unique.
Thats why I didnt add helmets and went for an NCO visor cap.

[Imperial Dane]

Not sure if i understood this. he wants to add the squadleaders to the mix so they're part of a unit or ?

[ChickenNuggets]

Well that's not possible unless you rename all the regulars to squad leaders because otherwise you'd be editing RGD's. And I think he was just stating that that's how you do it.

[Halftrack]

Exactly. Btw, I added a download linke for the "Panzerlehr"-Grenadiers to the first post. Enjoy.

[marthalouise]

Thanks heaps for releasing all this Halftrack. Been playing CoH on and off with a friend of mine for three years and your work really sets a high mark moddingwise. Hope to see your additions around for a long time. Cheers.

[Imperial Dane]

Cool stuff, although after having tried it out. I think i'll pass Can't help but shake the feeling they're pioneers or something. They look.. wrong to me somehow. But eh. Considering you're doing other things seperately. Who knows what you'll come up with ?

[SlipSon]

I just turned my PE into PzLehr ,great job Halftrack!
btw:is there a random skin variation for pios ?

[Halftrack]

unfortunately, noone has made a model that uses random skins, otherwise I woul have incorporated it.

[Zupadupadude]

I can make it for ya, if you want to.

[ChickenNuggets]

I would love you forever and ever if you did

[Mirage Knight]

We would like that indeed

[SlipSon]

@Zupadupadude that will be great (:

[Halftrack]

Yaaaawn! Its the Fallschirmjager again. Have received the new model version from Tankdestroyer.
This time the FG 42 ammo belts have been added. They can be on or off triggered by state, perfect for the FG42 upgrade.
And the helmets now have skin variations, too. They will be included in the next update of the PE skinpack.

[Imperial Dane]

Well this just keeps getting better and better

[ChickenNuggets]

Looking very nice Halftrack, I will have to take a break from MC so I can add these to my mod
I am now looking over the new fallschirmjagers and wow, the detail on their helmets is amazing!

[Savage Noble]

I cannot wait for those fallschrimjagers!

[Savage Noble]

By the way Halftrack, I was meaning to ask you...I love your Volksgrenadiers, the random caps/helmets is great. I just do not want the black gloves to appear, I don't know, they don't fit right. How do I edit the Wehr files to no longer get the black gloves but keep everything else?

[MajorWAA]

I am sure someone has done random pioneers perhaps Slayerkniecht made a random pioneer model (3 textures). I am using this with my Marder crew.