CnC: Generals 2 (By Bioware!?!?)

[Mokino]

We cannot have another repeat of CNC4.

I posted exactly what CNC4 was earlier: it was the cancelled CNC Arena (originally intended as an Asian F2P game) with a plot tacked on so EA could make some money from a failed project. I also heavily disagree with Kane's Wrath. KW was a very solid expansion pack obviously intended to lead into a different C&C 4 than we got.

As for DLC, I most worry about us being nickeled and dimed for units and those "extra" units unbalancing the game since how the heck could you balance them versus a play who lacks them? It'd be Opposing Fronts or Tales of Valour, basically.

[Ammon Ra]

I'm going to take a leap of faith and hope that their definition of "downloadable content" is as broad as it can be.


On top of that, I actually look forward to more abilities like those that the USA had available to them on their "tech lab"; 'search & destroy'; 'firepower'; 'hold the line'. Things like that could easily be used to change how you play the three sides without having 9-10 different sides to choose from.

[Misiok]

Oh, you can bet it'll be broad Ammon.

DLC Maps
DLC Units
DLC Powers
DLC Sides
DLC Buildings
DLC DLC
DLC Gametypes
DLC Singleplayer missions.


This is EA we're talking about.

[Akranadas]

And what type of DLC has EA released that is similar to that? Most of EA's offerings of DLC have been quite robust in nature, sure there are weapon backs here and there (ME2 had about 4) but if they are more minded to the good DLC packs then. I mean, EA just released DLC for BF3; which while only been a month or so old is quite massive in terms of the game.

If those are individual, then yes I would agree with you. But if they are included in bundles like they probably will be, then no real harm is done.

Not trying to appear as a EA fanboy here, but hate for the sake of hate is tiresome.

[Mantaray]

im with akranadas here, if its good dlc. i wont complain. but if it's just gonna be a cod map pack then i wont bite. if its a DLC hoard mode (but for rts) then i'd be down with that.

[CommissarRezail]

Anyone notice the price on this? It's basically 60 dollars, that's a little absurd, for most pc games including rts i pay at most 49 at times, but 60 dollar come on. 60 bucks for half a game like biroware did to mass effect 2 no thank you.

[Mokino]

Umm ME2 was in no way half a game.

[Aesaar]

60$ has been the release price for PC games for a very long time (at least in NA). Indy games often cost less, and console games typically cost 70. Where do you get your games?

Also, I laughed at the idea that ME2 is half a game.

[Misiok]

I think he meant Dragon Age 2, also by Bioware.

[LoneWolf666]

Still incorrect, DA2 was a quarter of a game, at best.

[CommissarRezail]

60$ has been the release price for PC games for a very long time (at least in NA). Indy games often cost less, and console games typically cost 70. Where do you get your games?

I live in Na and i hardly paid above 49 for my pc games. GameStop, steam, d2d. Thats where i get most of my pc games.

Also ME2 was half a game, it was over so quick that it was sad. They didn't even let you continue the quest with that asari lady about the "shadow broker", until you bought the dlc. Not even going to go into that , as it should of been in the game already. Not to mention taking out exploring planets, then putting that in as dlc? really thats half a game man. Just compare ME1 with ME2 in terms of content.

Oh don't get me started on DA2 ...

I mean dlc is fine, as long its adding on new stuff not adding stuff that they original suppose to put into the game at ship then say nah we going to make it into dlc, is in no way cool. It's like why did i pay 59.99 to for you to add all the stuff in for an extra 10 bucks.

[FriendlyFire]

MSRP is 60 or 70. Online services tend to go lower, but for example Skyrim was priced at 60 for a while on Steam.

[Ammon Ra]

$60, ~€46, ~£36 is more or less accurate for new release games, but its always possible to get new release games cheaper. amazon.co.uk for one is almost always cheaper, with posting costs to mainland europe, for new titles than steam online store is.

basically, people that value the game at that price ( or have no sense of value, easily influenced by marketing, hype, etc.) will buy at that price. people who are not prepared to pay that price look for better deals and/or wait for the price to fall.

[Aesaar]

I live in Na and i hardly paid above 49 for my pc games. GameStop, steam, d2d. Thats where i get most of my pc games.

Also ME2 was half a game, it was over so quick that it was sad. They didn't even let you continue the quest with that asari lady about the "shadow broker", until you bought the dlc. Not even going to go into that , as it should of been in the game already. Not to mention taking out exploring planets, then putting that in as dlc? really thats half a game man. Just compare ME1 with ME2 in terms of content.

I've played the Mass Effect series back to back 10 times since ME2 was released. I've counted. I have about 90 saves for each combined playthrough. I skip all the mining in ME2 (.ini tweaks get me the resources anyway), and I skip the meaningless "find X minerals/tokens/whatever" in ME1. I go through all the companion conversations, and as many sidequests as I can. An ME1 playthrough takes about 30 hours, maybe 35 if I'm slow (and that's with BDtS). ME2 has never taken less than 40, even with no DLC (except for Zaeed). My longest went 61 hours. And ME2 doesn't have a huge amount of time spent in elevators. So no, ME1 most certainly does not have more content than ME2. I've played enough to be sure.

And I'm looking at the Steam store right now, and pretty much all the recent releases, like Skyrim, Arkham City, MW3, AC: Revelations, etc are all 59.99$ or 49.99$ (with the former being more common). On Amazon.ca, which is where I get my games, it's the same deal. 60$ is a fairly common price for games. And pre-orders are almost never below that.

[CommissarRezail]

So did i played them both like crazy and me2 at least me lacks more content then me 1. The price is still steep for a non multiplatform pc game, that will may be dlc heavy.

[Akranadas]

Oh man, Least you won't be paying $90 for it when its released in Australia. Even though our dollar values are the same as the US.

[CommissarRezail]

Oh man, Least you won't be paying $90 for it when its released in Australia. Even though our dollar values are the same as the US.

Holy Emperor, wtf? Thats insane, soon you will be paying the same price for 1 game as one console,,,

[Aesaar]

Yeah, I found Australian prices ridiculous while I was over there. It was actually cheaper for me to buy ME2 on Amazon.ca and get it shipped to Australia than it was to buy it at a store. Warhammer models were similarly overpriced.

CommissarRezail: If you want more proof that ME2 has more content than ME1, just look at the discs. ME2 has two, and they didn't add the extra one just for the hell of it. It's not my opinion that ME2 has more content, it's fact.

[Akranadas]

Yeah, I found Australian prices ridiculous while I was over there. It was actually cheaper for me to buy ME2 on Amazon.ca and get it shipped to Australia than it was to buy it at a store. Warhammer models were similarly overpriced.

That's what all the smart people do, there is even online stores that cater to Australian customers that order stock from NA and Europe.

Anyway, back to the game.

I'm really looking forward to the 3rd faction reveal, is it China or US? Or maybe something different entirely... the Oceanic Union?

[Mokino]

So did i played them both like crazy and me2 at least me lacks more content then me 1.

No. It has less filler (and definitely less variety in gameplay) but there is definitely more content. Planet exploration was cut as it bogged down things storyline wise and consisted of mostly copy and paste planets. Shadow Broker was obviously a planned DLC but the thing wasn't finished and released until months after release so don't give that silly "should have been in the game in the first place" nonsense.

Anyways, back to the topic at hand. I'm quite interested in seeing what the third side is as well. It's most likely USA or maybe an American or Oceanic Union. Perhaps even some form of a NATO army.

[Saberdark]

I doubt it's the USA. At least, not anything like the USA from Generals, since the EU seems to have stolen a number of units from them.

China would make the most sense, considering how they were the new world superpower at the end of Zero Hour. They could go for something totally out there though. That would be pretty cool.

[CommissarRezail]

I think its going to be, Usa, China, GLA(in some form) , and UK , Korea, and Russia. However that's just me being optimistic about them adding that many factions in.

[Akranadas]

CommissarRezail, the GLA and EU have been confirmed, they've only said 1 other factions is coming out

[Goobers]

I'm guessing it'll be China since they played a big part in Zero Hour.

Of course 2 western powers blowing each other to kingdom come would also be good.

[Jopax]

It can only be China guys, almost every C&C game has had a Mammoth of some kind in it, and in the Generals 'verse the Chinese owned the only one, and seeing the allready announced factions and their presumed styles only China can have the Overlord again, so fuck yeah let's build for CHINA!

[Kien]

Bah now China again. Maybe it's Russia or the Venus Project.

[Makemap]

It would be surprising if it was India. China And US as an expansion pack.

[Mantaray]

i vote Sealand.

[BigSteve]

Would be cooler if the pacific/oceanic group was considered neutral, and the major players were vying for control/relations. You see it now in Australia with China funding the mining infrastructure and America bolstering its military (foothold) relationship in Darwin, and NZ's lamb is worth fighting over

[Cortlendt]

If you do Russia, China and Korea it will be hard to give them different equipment unless deviate too far from the real world.

[BigSteve]

China has a robust domestic market for its own tech/hardware. Pretty sure they are working with Pakistan, building shit from the ground up. Russia and India are doing something very similar also.

[Tristan Sjet]

Ah, all wrong. The third faction will be Australia; After after years of overpriced things, there was an armed uprising on the backs of deadly War-kangaroos.. Creating a new land of fair prices and peace..

Now, we have set our sights on spreading this new utopia across the ENTIRE WORLD! LIKE VEGEMITE! MUHAHAHAHAHAHA *HACK* HAH *COUGH* HA.. HA..


Oh man, I should get out more..

[CommissarRezail]

missarRezail, the GLA and EU have been confirmed, they've only said 1 other factions is coming out

Oh yes, just found out about that my self.

My guess on the last faction would be china/ Russia.

I hope the GLA has some different flavors in it, and not just all middle eastern, there terrorist everywhere :P.

[Niftyeye]

Its gonna be China, but because it ended Zero Hour as the new superpower, its probably gonna be even bigger than China is in RL, probably with Korea, big chunks of russia, ect.

[Mantaray]

yep. cause china nuked itself for lulz. or rather.. they lost a base to the GLA and then nuked it for lulz

[CommissarRezail]

yep. cause china nuked itself for lulz. or rather.. they lost a base to the GLA and then nuked it for lulz

Eh, whats one base, they got 33 million man army they can make one out of , what looks to me bamboo wood and glass. Well in game its bamboo etc.
I did that to my self in multiplayer a few times.

[Makenshi]

Gotta be China, or at least some sort of Eastern league (China + Russia/India, etc). In any case, no more Mig-29 shit or any low-tech horde crap; China is badass these days and needs these:

Spoiler

Z-10 Gunship


J-20 Stealth Fighter


H-8 Stealth Bomber


Emperor Tank, of course

If it's some league with Russia, oh please oh please put these babies:

Spoiler

Su-47 badass mofo


Mi-26 lifting a Chinook

[Jopax]

Mi-26 is that giant one of a kind helicopter isn't it?

If I remember correctly they made it to haul mining machines into some mountains and didn't really need it for much else.

[Akranadas]

A lot of what china "has" is either prototypes or in extremely limited numbers. They have a massive army, that's true; but its not quite to the levels of the US or France in terms of killer tech.

[Aesaar]

China is "badass" in that they can create a small amount of high-tech looking stuff while still getting the important parts (like jet engines) from either the Russians or lots of reverse-engineering. There's a surprisingly small amount of actual R&D in Chinese designs and lots of leeching off the R&D of others.

[Ammon Ra]

wait, that helicopter looks like a commanche...o_O

If china is in they need to have that helicopter, if only to appease my commanche fetish.

[Makenshi]

Here's a chinese AWAC:

Spoiler

@akranadas & aesaar: all those considerations are true, but they don not matter when we are talking about a game set in 2030; damn, even if the game was set in the 2010's it still wouldn't matter, the cool factor > reality factor, and it's cool to have these "small scale china tech", which are real, in a larger scale for the lulz.

@ammon: agreed, comanche pwns hard; since Europe will have that tau like flyer, we gotta get the Z-10 as our comanche fix

[CommissarRezail]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/08/...enerals-2-free

Generals 2 change to Command and COnquer and is going free to play. O_o emperor save us pleases emperor..

[LoneWolf666]

No single player at launch, maybe even never. Officially lost interest.

[Busby]

Welp, one more franchise to add to the ever growing EA graveyard.

[Cpt.Tycho]

Yay stupid EA changes what could have been a good game into a End of Nations CLONE.

when will EA stop fucking up its games/franchises? Firstly C&C with the crippled C&C4 the ridicilous RA3 and now Generals got F in the A i just dont have any good word for this...

[CommissarRezail]

Steel your self captain we , we still have to see what they 've exactly done to the game. It may be half way descent *grinds teeth while saying that*. Time to play wait and see Oliver.

[Akranadas]

Oh my god. You guys are something else.

I thought we had moved past the point in the gaming landscape where free = shit. I would never thought people

EA's Free to play options over the last few years have been solid titles that were and still are supported throughout their life time. There isn't any reason to believe that this game will be supported any different than Battlefield Heroes or Battlefield Play4Free.

No multiplayer? Most people criticise the Command and Conquer franchise's for having a bland and boring single player but having a nice fun mutliplayer side, so they drop the single player to focus on multiplayer and people cry foul even though they won't be paying for it? It boogles my mind.

Calling it an End of Nations Clone is a bit rich, we no nothing about the payment structure or how the gameplay is going to be. From what we can see in the latest video released is that it will retain the core Command and Conquer formula, base building and a lot of units.

I welcome not having to throw down $60-$80 for a game.

[Guilliman]

I ever only played c&c games for it's skirmish modes, against AI's. I doubt they'll bother with AI now. Pass.

[CommissarRezail]

It's not free = shit its, they changed everything, what we knew as command and conquer seem to be a thing of the past. It's gone, sigh its gone. That's is what so scary, free to play is fine and dandy , but it also comes with plus size price tag in it self, think of the stuff we need to pay for in order to get the full experience.