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You have it backwards, or, that's in the case of Ubisoft, back when Mass Effect 2 was released EA said that the true devil was the second hand market, not piracy.The fact that many of these schemes stop secondhand sales is just a bonus in the publishers' eyes.
The guy was rather infamous for being baited into flamewars. There was also a bit of a fiasco where he basically went Peter Molyneux while developing his first game, Battlecruiser 3K, and that bit him in the ass when it did not deliver.Originally Posted by Nalkor
Personally, I find that his games have potential, but have an ugly schizophrenic streak to them in that you see a limited amount of development resources being spread across far too many features, and as a result you have a game that is broad but very basic (both graphics and gameplay-wise).
He would probably do well if he eliminated the rediculous ground combat aspect of the game, and devoted the development resources instead into polishing the space sim aspect of it.
Theres also a few 'features' I do not like that make absolutely no sense, such as forced retirement at a certain age.
@Nanaki - Reminds me of Adam Miller's mods for NWN and NWN2, the whole 'feature-creep' thing.
Si, did Derek Smart out-Molyneux Peter Molyneux himself?
Not so much that, but I think people took Derek Smart's overhyping seriously, wheras everyone pretty much knows about Peter Molyneux.
Calling Derek Smart an egocentric arsehole would be kind. He is the kind of developer that, when his UI is criticised for being hard to understand and use, responds that the only stupid people are the ones having difficulty.
#256
He's got an appropriate surname then. Perhaps it should be changed to Smartarse.
Derek Smart. He made a stop by the old Sierra Homeworld forums once upon a time. It's as though he spends his time googling his own name, or used to. I can't recall what that particular thread was about; Freespace most likely. The Homeworld forum was one of Sierra's highest traffic areas on the site, but still, I don't know why he (briefly) hung around there. I'd venture to say ego.
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#258
Don't say his name three times in a row or he shows up.
He's notorious for being a crazy ass to any criticism of his work. Even constructive feedback on how his games can be improved is often met with scorn.
EDIT: \/ an apt comparison. Except Uwe Boll bends the law to make money. I have no idea who funds Smart's projects.
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Sounds like the game version of Uwe Boll.
#260
Another game cancelled.
Press release here, for those who like the numbers. Every time I read of this "strong post-launch digital content plan" regarding CoH2 my hopes for that game sink a bit lower
One step closer to the end of the decadent Eldar race.
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#261
Because DLC is automatically evils and bad, right? And Relic have a trend of releasing fantastically-bad DLC for their titles, right?
* Gorb look at Retribution *
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#262
Akranadas moves Gorb's head to Space Marine
#263
Retribution certainly is a reason why THQ talking about DLC doesn't excite me.
Yet the more recent titles like Space Marine or Saint's Row 3 might be better examples for THQ's idea of a "strong post-launch digital content plan", if you want a truly pessimistic outlook.
Who cares, diablo is here.
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A++ post, Nightwolf. Good job, would read again.
On topic, I disagree with the suggestion that Retribution and Space Marine lack post-launch content. Space Marine got new gametypes, maps, skins, although the problem was that the development time of this content led it to be released after some of the playerbase had lost interest, which is a pity. I personally thought it was all great.
Retribution didn't have too much DLC, but what we got was top notch, the new TLS gear, the Tau Commander hero, the skins (inb4 "DARK ANGEL PRICE WAAAAAAH").
Look at the bright side, kid - you get to keep all the money.
I don't own Space Marine, but I was under the impression that it had some really nice DLC released? A horde mode with a playable Dreadnought, was it? Sounds good to me.
On the other hand, the fact that I haven't played TLS enough to even level my Sorc up to 20 and the skin packs being non team-colorable resulted in me not buying any of Retribution's DLC at all, even if I've been playing multiplayer quite a lot.
#267
Thanks Krandy
You failed to appreciate the sarcasm in my post, apologies. Still, I don't understand why anybody would be against the DLC Retribution had, given that it was SP or TLS only (including a whole new TLS hero) and the MP DLC was cosmetic and didn't affect balance at all.
I have no idea about Saints Row 3, but that game has been getting great reviews. Space Marine was unfortunate/badly-planned in that MP maps were sold on top of a game that didn't achieve the required market penetration for additional maps to be a viable purchase. The (free) Exterminatus content and subsequent DLC was well-received, though.
#268
Saints Row 3 is a pretty good base game. It's the DLC that is the problem. 90% of it is reskins of vehicles in the game already and new clothing options for the main character at ridiculous prices. And they are all on the game disc.
There were also three very disappointing mission packs that each cost ten dollars and had less than an hour's worth of content.
#269
Correct, I don't appreciate sarcasm belittling opinions not shared by the author
Retribution is admittedly a special case, since most of its DLC is freely accessible through minor editing. Considering how digital pre-order bonuses went from belated freebies to extras with costs though, it's certainly not all sunshine and roses.
Curious about the absence of that ominous "Benicio del Toro and L4D creators" game, which is pretty much their main bubble I expect to burst (after the 40k MMO already did).
#270
So you basically don't like paying for extra content?
It's not belittling opinions not shared by myself when all you imply is "post-release content is bad". I am perfectly within my rights to question such a loaded and quite frankly ill-explained statement
Actually , each time they made dlc for retribution it was improvement over the last, so seem like they was learning i guess?
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#272
Regarding the turtle rock game and Gulerio Del Toro games, I heard that basically THQ can't fund them or focus on them - so development is grinding to a halt.
The loss of Devils Third is baffling - profile fitting or not, THQ has sunk some SERIOUS cash into that - why the hell would they toss it off and lose (sorely needed) profitablity? It seems completely counterproductive to their "WE NEED TO SAVE THE SINKING SHIP" strategy.
Depressingly, that means that THQ has two titles it needs to sell well - Darksiders 2 and Metro. If they do not sell (at least as well as saints row, which I also remark had brilliantly effective marketing in my opinion) then THQ is as good as dead.
Company of Heroes 2 is going to suffer at this rate. That is bad. At least the critical acclaim might see it get to market to make a quick buck....
Also, I am seriously depressed by THQ's digital content schedules. Saint's Row 3 is a bad indication of whats to happen - a load of crappy content which is overpriced (THAT IS WHAT I HEARD, IT IS NOT MY OPINION). Space Marine's online community was fractured by such "digital content" - a small community butchered. Exactly like Section 8 with its paid maps.
Retribution's content was good - I was glad I paid for that. It was something I was into. The Tau commander and later army packs are definately highlights, and I still consider buying the ultramarines DLC (because its awesome).
I've vented enough - But the drastic action THQ needs to take to save itself isn't showing at the moment. Even the COH2 announcement didn't do much for the shares, and I was pretty sure it would look great...
At this point, DMO is looking dead in the water. Funny, at the moment I'd take Akranadas's opinion.
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#273
Good to know Hirm, feared it was another money grave. Of course it's a project that sounds exciting, but also one that can turn into a disastrous flop.
Gorb, you probably don't need me to tell you that this assumption is incorrect, right? Layman opinions on THQ's strategy don't necessarily reflect consumer preferences. As far as I understand the current situation is largely caused by riding trends and fads excessively (uDraw), and it looks like the same might happen again with the seemingly excessive emphasis on the currently profitable trends - Saints Row (sequel apparently in development already) and DLC - we're seeing now.
#274
All I got was a "CoH 2 post-release digital content makes me sad", hence why I was querying why DLC made you feel sad. You then said the Retribution content could be obtained via modding (i.e. for free) and as such was better.
If I'm making any assumptions (primarily the "i.e. for free" bit) feel free to ping me.
Of course, if the reason why you're sad is that you think the DLC for CoH 2 will do badly (which is odd, considering the success Retribution had and as well the success the initial DLC Space marine had - the last game mode (Dreadnought Assault) didn't sell as well, I don't think, hence the probable end of support for that title), then fair enough. But that's a bit of a presumption.
#275
Ah, pardons. Should've noticed a few posts earlier that you didn't want to talk about THQ, but some apparently misconstrued piece instead. At least Nightwolf's one-liner was obvious enough for me
#276
a.k.a. "who cares about responding logically to flaws exposed in my posts when I can just go LOL DIABLO"?
#277
Relic has mixed success with DLC, and by Relic I mean all of THQ. They just don't seem to grasp that gamers want content worth the price.
Retributions skin packs were great, they gave the races a whole new feel. Space Marines DLC was horrible, it split the community with each release and just wasn't worth the cost.
#278
As long as the COH2 content focuses on things like single player stuff (campaigns), it has a chance to be very good without pissing the whole online community off. But its the same problem that DOW2 faced - DLC that doesn't fracture the community, especially an RTS community. If THQ can nail that, they will at least beat out Generals 2.
#279
Reverse stock split to be proposed to the shareholders.
No big news again, something like this was bound to happen when their stock flatlined, but the punchline of the article is hilarious.
#280
That is quite funny, as I'd rate THQ's console games a little better than "Mid-range" - Metro and Darksiders have both been pretty good... hence the whole banking on them for this financial year. Darksiders definately didn't feel like a "mid-range" game when I played it the other week. And the first level really benefitted from the delay.
#281
Awww come on, you're not so grave about this that you can't even appreciate a little jape, right?
As said though, not much to be discussed about this. Won't get interesting until we learn about the split ratio and the expected drop in overall share value following it, but it should buy THQ enough time to get their next major releases out, which better start reversing the current trend.
#282
I mentioned this in another thread. Shit's really bad at the moment. People will literally save to buy a few games over the year. They'll usually plump for the big core games such as CoD, Fifa etc. It was ineviatable in my mind that THQ would be affected by the downturn. They tried to change it, by steamlining the system, they then made an error developing a wii periphial which badly backfired.
Do I think CoH2 and Darksiders 2 is enough? Honestly, I don't know. The way the global economy is headed at the moment, it's going to be a tough ask for a few companies, including THQ.
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#283
If Darksiders 2, Metro Last Night and CoH 2 don't get 8's or 9's out of 10 for reviews, THQ will all but be gone.
#284
Last Light, jeez.
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Depends how much money THQ can pay reviewers I guess. Isn't that how review scores are judged these days (I seem to remember Duffy making a joke as to how CnC . . 3? got ahead of CoH in the ratings in that regard)?
Can't we start a beer bribe fund?
#286
Krandy, there's also that Saints Row expansion. Saints Row 3 was one of THQ's big blockbusters last year.
#287
Holy shit. Well that's quite crazy. God knows whats going on - Brian Farrell is still running around. We'll see.
Maybe some significant changes coming?
#288
I'd expect so. People at the top wouldn't get shuffled unless big changes are desired (or unless it was a scandal or something, but let's stick with the likely). We'll see what Rubin has to offer.
#289
no matter how many times you shuffle a deck of cards... your still screwed if the jokers in charge.
#290
Will it mean fewer pot-stoking Dawn of War 3 announcements?
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Hence fourth the laughing god slides back into the webway to plot, leaving a Phoenix warrior in his place. No one in the inquisition knows what to think.
#292
I'm sorry, what?Hence fourth the laughing god slides back into the webway to plot, leaving a Phoenix warrior in his place. No one in the inquisition knows what to think.
I always call him the laughing god, because he gives us info that not exactly true. which i believe he always got a good laugh at us getting excited over it. Now we have a new x factor to come in, so will he do the same, will there be insane changes. Who knows only time does. Time to play wait and see Oliver.
#294
If you were going to compare Bilson to any of the Warhammer 40,000 Gods, he'd be the Deceiver.
#295
One would hope. Or at least, you know, an actual Dawn of War 3 announcement.Will it mean fewer pot-stoking Dawn of War 3 announcements?
#296
I doubt Dawn of War 3 is in development at all. I'd saw that THQ probably has most of Relic working on Company of Heroes 2 and the remainder are helping Vigil Games convert the Warhammer 40,000 Dark Millennium MMORPG into some semblance of a single player game.
They wouldn't have the capital to invest in a project such as Dawn of War 3 at the moment.
#297
depends what the retrib team have been doing for the last year...
#298
Either working on Company of Heroes 2, or Helping Vigil I suppose.depends what the retrib team have been doing for the last year...
#299
Well, there's the big news. Holy shit indeed.
Always had the impression that "core games" performed satisfactory for them, which would make it more likely that Bilson and Davis bailed themselves. Would indicate a situation more dire than anyone imagined.
On the other hand, the new man's development background may be more beneficial for this position. Don't see a significant change in orientation myself, simply because I don't believe they could afford this at the moment.
#300
Well, I have to wonder how much money THQ was making from the Nickelodeon Shovelware before they decided to focus on core games if they are in this position.
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