Internet being shut down?

[CommissarRezail]

I was listening to the news, and apparently the internet is being shut down tomorrow and other communications? I find this kinda not real, but anyone can back up this? I can't seem to find any info on the internet about this shutdown.

[Skrzyp]

The internet is not going down. What is happening is that many sites will be protesting the U.S proposed SOPA bill. Some of this will take the form of taking the site down for the day, and replacing it with a warning about the effects of the SOPA bill.

See here for more info: http://americancensorship.org/

[CommissarRezail]

HOLY SHIT!!!!!! What the fuck is this bull shit?! Omg where was I , must contact my people.....

[Aron_DeTomado]

The people of Lorn V?

[Mantaray]

yeah. im pulling the cable on my router at midnight. theoretically, if i post a video of me on youtube singing a song copyrighted in the US. i could be deported and get a 5 year jail sentance.
im not saying they'll actually do this but when passing a law that has the power to do so, 'we wouldn't really do that' isnt a good enough excuse.

[ÜberJumper]

Reddit's got a good post explaining what's going on from a technical perspective and what the too bills do.

http://blog.reddit.com/2012/01/techn...-sopa-and.html

[Belgarion]

Sing for the people Manta and to hell with the consequences

[Flagg]

I only use YouTube for music mostly.

So that site is just going to be for moronic YouTube celebrities that do that stop start editing shit about some equally shit and unfunny opinion they have?

[Aron_DeTomado]

SOPA and PIPA aren't exactly exemplary as far as respecting due process is concerned, so it is pretty much a threat to everyone using the internet. The copyright lobby didn't write this law just tp stopping piracy, it's about stopping people with uncomfortable opinions.

www.piraattilahti.fi and piraattilahti.fi, which connect to the website for Electronic Frontier Finland, an online civil rights organisation similar to the Electronic Frontier Foundation, are also blocked.

Yes, people behind this law are actively working to silence civil rights organisations.

[CommissarRezail]

Well the people of Lorn V is very un pleased on what just happen, consider they live under a rock in the internet. This is some hurtful stuff, this can also slow progress of evolving the internet and its technologies. How unfortunate, I guess its time to protest , and protest super de dupper hard, because this is very insane. I know people want money for their films and music but hurting another industry is just as bad.

[Zephyr]

Not sure what I'm going to do without reddit... Probably actually get something done

[Inquisitor Lok]

For those to lazy to read about sopa or pipa or want a cynical brit to explain it to them:


Hopefully this bill doesnt get passed (Im actually surprised that a thread on SOPA hadnt arisen earlier hear considering what its all about)

[Hand of Asur]

Im actually surprised that a thread on SOPA hadnt arisen earlier hear considering what its all about

Aye, I'm waiting for the DMCA tie in and the coming storm over Google+ Vs Facebook Vs Twitter.

[Makemap]

I wonder what would happen to my school. I'm pretty sure school, college and University would block YouTube and game sites. Maybe even this forum! Nooo!

[Inskipp]

For those to lazy to read about sopa or pipa or want a cynical brit to explain it to them:

Here's a much shorter version:

[Nurizeko]

24 hours after the internet going down:



Or...




If that bill honestly threatens the major share of the US economy this bill will get shot down in quick order, seeing as it is sloppy, impractical and potentially criminalises regular Joes for the most flimsy of reasons. We all know how well countries that restrict the flow of culture and information do in the long run.

[Misiok]

I don't think Europe or USA has any oil reserves to be exploited by the next big country :P

[Bowkers]

/me twiddles thumbs

soooooooo lets see what outside is like

[Axyl]

So that site is just going to be for moronic YouTube celebrities that do that stop start editing shit about some equally shit and unfunny opinion they have?

As someone who's currently trying to start a career in the aforementioned field, I find your opinions highly offensive and not even slightly relevant or even accurate.
At what point is video game footage any less copyrighted than the music you listen to on Youtube?

Fact of the matter is.. this shitty piece of legislation affects EVERYONE on the internet.. even opinionated rude people.

[Wintermute]

It's rare that I read a thread on the Relicnews General Forums where the majority of posters are in agreement. It's safe to say that these bills (SOPA & PIPA) are bad news for everyone, even people outside the US.

[Richter]

This is from The Oatmeal. (Possibly NSFW, I'm not sure. Spoiler tags either way.)

Spoiler

[Axyl]

Actually, Wintermute.. and i may be saying this as I'm not a US resident.. but it strikes me that this is bad news for everyone.. especially people outside the US.

This legislation is nothing to do with me. It's not coming from my Country and afaik no companies based on the UK are supporting it..
Yet it's going to affect us here in the UK as much as anyone in the US.. and we have zero say about it. Even less than the American people do.

They are not my elected leaders. They are not the elected leaders of my country or my fellow countrymen and women. The fact that this legislation is as potentially damaging to me and my clan mates here in the UK as it is to anyone in the US i find so horrifically offensive.
It's like American trying to force it's views and beliefs on the Middle East...only this time they're doing it by remote.

Burn the fucking lot to the ground imo.

Last time other parts of the world tried to stamp their bullshit on my and others' countries.. the world went to war.

[titlams]

So you guys are all against a bill that bans sites that host illegally hosted material on foreign websites, which requires proof and a court order to block, and only affects people based in America?

The post above me has no relevance for the fact that you will still be able to access everything you can now. The only difference for you is if you host illegal material it will be blocked in America, I here in the UK will still be able to access it. There is no forcing this on other countries because it only applies to the USA.

[Gorb]

/me twiddles thumbs

soooooooo lets see what outside is like

The Internet should go down more often. It brings Bowkers back to us.

[Ap0k]

titlams, you're not thinking about this from the perspective of, lets say, a huge international website like maybe teamliquid.net.

Someone posts a link to some pirated/copyright infringing stuff.

Worst case - it gets screencapped, TL gets blocked for US residents.

Sure, everyone else in the world can still access the site.

Assuming it's still around due to the collossal loss in ad revenue/shop and sales income, combined with the fact the core SC2 community is now totally fragmented between US and non-US residents, that is.


Going 'OH BUT I'LL STILL BE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT' only applies if the site is still capable of existing without the huge US support base.

[Starblade]

As someone who's currently trying to start a career in the aforementioned field, I find your opinions highly offensive and not even slightly relevant or even accurate.

I must be missing something, how do you make a career as a Youtube Superstar?

[Ap0k]

Huge amounts of subscribers and ad revenue.

I know a guy who makes a tidy income doing make-up tutorials and video's. It's not his sole source of income, but it's a couple of hundred GBP a month or so, which isn't half bad for something he's essentially doing in his spare time every now and again. It's a repeating source of money for no additional effort beyond the initial video creation, since all it relies on is regular views.

Without wanting to belittle the venture though, it's hardly something I'd consider a fully fledged career. He's primarily a wedding/fashion oriented make-up artist who makes a decent amount on the side via youtube.

[Inskipp]

So you guys are all against a bill that bans sites that host illegally hosted material on foreign websites, which requires proof and a court order to block, and only affects people based in America?

It's not just for hosting content

It also applies to any website accused of "enabling or facilitating copyright infringement."

So basically, if somebody linked a picture of Oprah (like somebody did just now), or link to a video that had copyrighted music playing in the background, these forums could be shut down for that.

[titlams]

Apok, a court order will take 24-48hours to get, if a Big Website like that hosts a illegal link for longer than that time it is their fault. Big companies have to take responsibility for all the countries they operate in and should work in ensure they are compliant.

Has no one (who is not a US Citizen) realized that by trying to force the US to abandon this bill you are trying to force YOUR laws on another country? (this is for the people who said that America are forcing their laws on them)

Inskipp, a image of opera is not protected under this law.

[Starblade]

Has no one (who is not a US Citizen) realized that by trying to force the US to abandon this bill you are trying to force YOUR laws on another country?

You have some pretty fucked up understandings of US and international law if you think by not passing one law all the laws of another country are applied to it instead.

So you guys are all against a bill that bans sites that host illegally hosted material on foreign websites, which requires proof and a court order to block, and only affects people based in America?

Explain to us what it is you think Youtube does. Also copyright law and international law on the subject, while we're at it.

[titlams]

And you have a pretty fucked up understanding if you believe 1 law i'm America is forcing their views to other countries, which is what I was referring too..

[Hirmetrium]

Starblade - Axyl makes shoutcasts I believe, which involve video games, which are copyrighted, thus making it copyrighted material and him liable to be nuked by SOPA/PIPA

[Starblade]

BTW titlams what are your thoughts on extradition? Don't really have time to debate this or anything just want to make it clear what you believe as the singular dissenting opinion so far.

[Akranadas]

The post above me has no relevance for the fact that you will still be able to access everything you can now. The only difference for you is if you host illegal material it will be blocked in America, I here in the UK will still be able to access it. There is no forcing this on other countries because it only applies to the USA.

If the website is hosted in the United States, you won't be able to view it in the UK.

[Misiok]

@Titlams, go to reddit and watch that video they've posted during their offline protest, if you're still unsure on how will this affect everything. If you already seen it and still don't get it, then I guess it wouldn't bother you if the law would get passed or not anyway.

[titlams]

SOPA will not be a bill for which you can file extradition under. If you want to complain about extradition laws go right ahead, but don't confuse the issues. UK and other country's can also file for extradition for copyright. I'm not sure why you want to bring up current laws that will not change if the bill passes or not. So your point is relevant why?

If the website is hosted in the United States, you won't be able to view it in the UK.

This will also happen under current laws.

Have people actually even read these bills and worked out what they change and why it is different from now THEMSELVES or not?

[Inskipp]

Inskipp, a image of opera is not protected under this law.

According Oprah's website it is.

Have people actually even read these bills and worked out what they change and why it is different from now THEMSELVES or not?

It will allow companies to shut down other companies for giving the means to host copyrighted material, regardless of intentions.

Have you read the these bills?

[Aron_DeTomado]

The bills abolish carrier immunity, which is what protects websites ISPs from liability for stuff users post on them. This is also known as not shutting down the entire postal service because someone sent a pirated cassette in the mail. What SOPA and PIPA risk doing is remove that immunity by introducing liability, effectively making it impossible or at least dangerous to host any website where you yourself don't control 100% of the content.

[Lor]

Oprah=/=Opera. One is a talkshow host with fluctuating weight. The other is a dramatic work set to music.

@ Titlams: I'm not a US citizen but I'm damned if I am going to let a poorly written peice of legislation forced through by a group of people who don't really understand it be passed as law without grumbling about it. I am not forcing my laws onto them, I am resisting their attempts at forcing their law onto me. I would suggest you read up on this as it's a serious issue that could affect the internet as we know it.

[Danustar]

I can't understand why the big end of town isn't smashing this to pieces.
The economic impact of disabling the web could be absolutely disastrous and to what end? To give film and music a little boost?

This is one where a great censorship conspiracy is the only thing that really makes sense.

[titlams]

Err yeah I spelt Oprah wrong, still a picture taken from their website is illegal, a picture of Oprah by itself is not though. To get a court order the companies will need to prove that the company hosting it allowed them to do so (them not removing it is as good as allowing it) AND they need to prove it is in fact copyrighted.Then they get the website shut down to all American and only American users.

Lor, read above how this does not affect you. Unless you distribute or allow distribution of illegal items to America of course.

[Akranadas]

Titlams, if a copy goes after Reddit, Youtube, Twitter for hosting copyrighted material and they get that site pulled; it's not going to be American's missing out on them

[Sparki]

So, the 26th of Jan is when things could go haywire...
I don't know. A lot of dumbfuck is going on in the politics. Don't like the looks of this.

[Starblade]

I'm not sure why you want to bring up current laws that will not change if the bill passes or not. So your point is relevant why?

Why do you think I brought up someone being extradited to the US for breaking copyright law, and why do you feel in a thread about copyright law that is not relevant? Laws and treaties do not exist in a vacuum separate from each other laws and treaties.

This is one where a great censorship conspiracy is the only thing that really makes sense.

At one point during the hearings a couple weeks ago it started going down to "if we start saying who was bought off by who we'll be here all day" before they started yelling at each other over someone mentioning how boring someone else was on Twitter. At least one guy pulled the "I'm just a simple country boy and I don't understand this Inter-net" spiel. It's not so much censorship agenda as it is "we're being paid to do this and don't really give a shit what that means".

e: Let me try and find a recording of that actually, it was pretty funny.

[Inskipp]

Then they get the website shut down to all American and only American users.

Where did you get that it only gets shut down for americans? After delivering the mentioned court order, the US attorney general will order ISP's, ad networks and payment processors to cease dealing with the website. Companies like youtube and reddit would cease to exist due to not being able to fund itself.

Now tell us how we europeans are suppose to keep viewing these sites, when they wont be able to sustain themselves?

[Lor]

@ Titlams: As Arka said, if Youtube, Reddit or Twitter go down as a result of Sopa, that's a huge affect on my and many other peoples internet experience. How do you not understand this?

[titlams]

Starblade, Amazing I do understand that, I am though sure that this thread is about Sopa destorying the internet. However that man will be extradited either way under CURRENT laws. To get someone extradited requires you to prove to that country this guy is breaking laws worthy of extradition. This law will change nothing in regards to how this will be handled in other countries. Because some countries have laws banning woman driving does not mean other countries will extradite them for driving. You do understand that because a country has laws does not mean they are relevant to every other country in the world?

Akranadas, Well yeah it kinda is. Under current laws any of twitters, youtubes and reddits American based servers can be taken down. The companies themselves will just move. This is about taking down access to non-american sites for Americans. While this would suck that you would not be able to talk to Americans on these sites, their servers elsewhere would be unaffected to you.

[FriendlyFire]

Congrats, titlams, you've swallowed the bait whole and are asking for more.

I'm glad you're a minority or we'd truly be fucked. I don't think there's even a need to try to convince you, as if you can't see what's wrong with all this, you have serious problems seeing ramifications from such an extreme bill.

[titlams]

Yeah I was mostly arguing about how this affects non-americans, the bill is a extreme for them and in the UK I would argue against it. The fact remains that this is not nearly as bad for the entire world as everyone seems to think. Americans yes, the rest of the world not really.

Edit: It also does not add instant blacklisting for Americans like people want to suggest.

[Starblade]

Starblade, Amazing I do understand that. However that man will be extradited either way under CURRENT laws. To get someone extradited requires you to prove to that country this guy is breaking laws worthy of extradition. This law will change nothing in regards to how this will be handled in other countries.

How are you not getting this? SOPA and PROTECTIP expand US copyright law. People are being extradited to the US for breaking US copyright law. What I posted was an example of a guy breaking US copyright law and being extradited from another country for doing so.

Akranadas, Well yeah it kinda is. Under current laws any of twitters, youtubes and reddits American based servers can be taken down. The companies themselves will just move. This is about taking down access to non-american sites for Americans. While this would suck that you would not be able to talk to Americans on these sites, their servers elsewhere would be unaffected to you.

Physical location has nothing to do with accessibility.