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Yea my view exactly Jonny.
@Adonis, I know, but media wise, especially with the cover, it puts a touch of bias on it with out knowing the story yet. I know it's too early to judge, but it's pretty strange for a cover, if it's going to be neutral, people, especially in America, will expect it will be about killing Red Coats.
#52
Well, I'm going to have to disagree. With the number of war games that have come out over the years with their rather ambiguous titles and cover art, I seriously doubt whatever bias this game acquires will make any waves, unless there's some kind of subliminal message in the game that some would consider unacceptable.
For instance, Grand Theft Auto: Vice City had a particular scene in it where one character says, if I remember correctly, "Kill those fucking Haitians". Haitian-Americans found out about this and filed a suit against Rockstar Games. I don't foresee one image, which has not yet been determined to be the final cover art, causing nearly a modicum of disapproval or a slight implication against a certain nationality.
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#53
The cover is obviously that way to appeal to Americans. It's just marketting.
I suspect the game will involve a subplot occuring with the main war as the backdrop. We know from AC2 that Washington handled a piece of Eden at some point so most likely that will be the focus.
#54
Oh dear god.The cover is obviously that way to appeal to Americans. It's just marketting.
#55
Some scans from Game Informer say that the new guy is playing both sides of the war, calls himself Connor (he's half Native American, full name is Ratohnhaké:ton), and is bros with Ben Franklin. He's sort of the opposite of Ezio apparently; instead of revenge he wants justice for the weak, and he's more stoic and predatory. Also the shitty tower defense minigame won't be making a comeback.
My Interceptor is better than your Interceptor.
This series REALLY needs a breath of fresh air. Hopefully they will deliver.
- sincerely, the Sign Painter
Huge list of details leaked:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=465195
Even though they say it's neutral, and tries to balance, there is an obvious bias (2 main figures) towards the US side.
In the snow screencaps, the white clothing looks perfect, but in the one where he's menacingly advancing towards what could be his target surrounded by even more enemies just screams stupid to me. Also, in the screencaps, did anyone else think for a bit the officer in the blue coat looked like George Washington?
#59
timbab, they don't say whether or not Washington is the villain or hero. In fact, since the game seems to be emphasizing the gray area when it comes to both assassins and templars I expect a plot with no clear heroes or villains.
You're probably right and it's probably going to be good and not as flawed, but I'm still worried, I just don't want it to suck.
That's all I need to know, everything else sounds like it could be damn good fun as well particularly the added RPG aspects like guilds, quests, hunting and property. Still think that cover image is fucking awful at getting the neutrality aspect across, the second set of images down in Timbab's link are the sort of thing I'd have expected to see from the series, but that's my personal disapproval.-Not all the Colonists will be cast as good people, and not all the British will be cast as evil oppressors.
I'm starting to get a slight Red Dead Redemption feel from this. That is not a bad thing, and I hope it continues.
I saw the cover on reddit yesterday and I didn't think twice about it until I came here and saw the discussion taking place in this thread. I think it's more likely that they used a redcoat to help signify that the game is taking place sometime around the Revolutionary War rather than making any statements about who's bad/good.The cover is obviously that way to appeal to Americans. It's just marketting.
#64
Hellz yeah Big Ben Franklin bro-ing it up. Now maybe throw in some Sam Adams in for the patriots, some General Gage for the British.
The twin sides angle is pretty cool, and I like how they're saying not every colonist is good nor every Brit evil. Definitely a more realistic portrayal than usual, seems like they're kinda going with Adams' famous "one third were patriots, one third were loyalists, one third were apathetic" angle. Definitely hope they do the setting justice.
THE RAIN TRANSFORMED
#65
Hmmm. My teeth are still on edge, but as I said in the first post, that's a specifically personal thing. I really want this game to be good- for some reason the AC series has really hit a chord with me over the years and I'd hate to see it succumb to historical revisionism of the nauseating kind. Hopefully the Founding Fathers will be shown for the odious characters many of them really were, and on the British side we'll get the accurate representation of incompetence, malice, good intentions and skillful soldiering.
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#66
Sounds like SOMEONE is still a little sore about losing.
#67
I think the term is 'butt-hurt', surely?
#68
Butthurt dammit. Stop trying to proper up our internet meme slang with your snobby king's English and hyphens, you!
"Fear nothing except in the certainty that you are your enemy's begetter and its only hope of healing. For everything that does evil is in pain."
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Damn right. We were only fighting three major powers at the same time and on our doorstep, surely a small garrison force should have been enough to keep stroppy colonials three thousand miles away in line.Sounds like SOMEONE is still a little sore about losing.
#70
Was hoping for 1700's France or even Russia for the next game, but this will do. Early 'MURICA kind of lacks the historic richness the other AC locations had though. Oh well, who cares about that, MORE CONSPIRACIES HAR HAR.
The ASSASSINO outfit got more silly, somehow. Wonder if you can still blend in with crowds, because even before it was silly. Now it'd be downright dumb without a disguise.
#71
I liked that minigame... besides they are entirely avoidable after you complete the story mission ones, and you can still get the achievement for 3 successful defenses if you get all 7 master assassins instead of playing the den defenses.Also the shitty tower defense minigame won't be making a comeback.
Originally Posted by Starblade
I hate to say burst you bubble but that is Benedict Arnold so yea. I was hoping for China or Japan this hole thing is just been there done that befor. My hope is that the assassins side with the rebles but at the end they find out it was a templer plot and the british royalty where trying to stop them would be one hell of a plot twist like killing the fat guard captain in revelations only biggerGlad to see an American Officer being targeted, it shows it's not heavily 'one sided' at least
If there’s one thing I know you can’t control evil. You can lock it up you can burn it and bury it and pray that it dies but it never will it just rests awhile. You can lock your doors and pray at night but the evils out there waiting and maybe just maybe its closer than you think.
#73
The developers have said they wouldn't do Japan because there are enough ninja games around and they want to avoid that cliche. They avoid WW2 for similar reasons.
#74
I am almost positive feudal Japan and China have been done a million times more often than colonial America.I hate to say burst you bubble but that is Benedict Arnold so yea. I was hoping for China or Japan this hole thing is just been there done that befor.
#75
Whilst I dunno how pleased I would be to see said settings either (ok, I admit it, I'm a Europhile), surely feudal China has got the Dynasty Warrior games (a paragon of historical accuracy, I'm sure we'll all agree) and that's about it? I am, as ever, ready to stand corrected...
#76
Way, way more than just the Dynasty Warriors games Kirjava.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...na_video_games
Make sure to note the bunch of games in the Romance of the Three Kingdoms category.
Aw fuck. Well there's the unbiased look out the window. Can't say I'm impressed. Looks like it's going a bit to AMERICA FUCK YEAAA than it really ought to. Shame really, I thought this really had a lot of potential, but that could just be from trailer. Will probably reserve my final judgement until I get to see the game first hand.
Also: That set piece battle at the end was incredibly crap looking and barely even follows the conventional battle tactics of the time. *nitpick*
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#78
AC1's trailer was exclusively murdering Christian crusaders and look where that game went.
Everything they've released so far minus one tiny quote points to 'slaughtering the evil Empire'.
Not impressed at all, kind of saddened, I still hope I'm proven wrong in the end, but I've lost much of the hope.
Ignoring the whole backstory issues, the trailer was pretty lame (hate to say that), just pure cookie cutter, previous AC PreRenders were waaay better.
Oh well...
It's a reveal trailer, nothing more. Just a confirmation of the title being done and its setting.
@Starblade: True, but to be fair that original trailer left a lot to interpretation. There was no real reason given why you were killing christian crusaders. It's pretty obvious given the whole speech/voiceover thing going on that you will be killing redcoats to free the US. As long as the actual game isn't too once-sided, I won't mind killing Redcoats though, which is why I said I'd wait until the game was released before I'd pass judgement. I actually enjoyed The Patriot, regardless of the horrible inaccuracies I can forgive them as much as I can forgive Braveheart.
#82
1? He's friends with a British general in a similar source and in one picture he appears to be trying to assassinate George Washington. Seriously, they did the same thing in AC1. Up until you played the game it was all about killing the Christian invaders then surprise! You kill some Muslims too. This is the one game series I'd actually give the benefit of the doubt to about this.Everything they've released so far minus one tiny quote points to 'slaughtering the evil Empire'.
e: Oh, well scratch the picture then.
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That picture, he isn't trying to assassinate George Washington, he's trying to assassinate this guy. I'm guessing that's the 'friend' you mean, also? He is actually most likely friends with George Washington, at least later on, or will be a key 'ally'.
Point is, the game is either going to be predictable throughout, or it's going to be a bad story (both based on the way it's set up so far), the chance for it to be unique and Assassin's Creed like, is really slim by now, but again, I really do hope I'm wrong.
There is also this quote from the press release floating around (Can't find source atm, but it's used on big name sites):
“Set against the backdrop of the American Revolution in the late 18th century, Assassin’s Creed III introduces a new hero, Ratohnaké:ton, of Native American and English heritage. Adopting the name Connor, he becomes the new voice for justice in the ancient war between the Assassins and Templars. Players become an Assassin in the war for liberty against ruthless tyranny in the most stylized and fluid combat experiences in the franchise to date. Assassin’s Creed III spans the Revolutionary War, taking gamers from the vibrant, untamed frontier to bustling colonial towns and the intense, chaotic battlefields where George Washington’s Continental Army clashed with the imposing British Army.”
#84
Yeah, that's kind of been their thing since the 1200s. The Templars are the tyrants. It's sort of the point of the games. And Washington had a Piece of Eden. I'm just not ready to sign off on this after how good they've been about everything in the last four games after literally one teaser trailer.
Too bad about the picture though. And no I don't think it's supposed to be the same guy.
#85
The trailer doesn't exactly fill me with hope. I'm a hopeless fanboy, obviously I'm buying it, but my fingers are no longer crossed. Ein sigh.
#86
They're showing commercials on tv here already that are a recut of the trailer over the Battle Hymn of the Republic.
I fear this game is going to end up whitewashed American nationalist garbage.
#87
pip pip cheerio God save the Queen
also the proper term is "Whig." Whig views of the Revolution show the Americans as a united front of freedom fighters striving for liberty against tyranny. It's also mostly crap but it's easier to teach kids and leaves a better taste in most people's mouths.
I read how you team with Charles Lee, Big Ben Franklin, and George Washington and was stoked, can't wait to tomahawk some Hessians.
I was watching Mythbusters for about an hour last night. I saw the fucking trailer 9 times in that time span. Seemed pretty cool the first time around. By the 4th or 5th, I was getting irritated.
In regards to the AMERICA! FUCK YEAH! thing, it makes a better story, even if it isn't accurate. What group of people would like to hear "Yeah, we, as a nation, were collectively a bunch of total assholes for the better part of our history. We oppressed the natives, were fairly racist, and laughed at poor people." By and large, that describes pretty much any nation, but it's still not a pleasant image to conjure up.
#89
The issue is that such a slant paints the Britsh as the horrible all evil folks. It's such a bigoted America centric view that it is quite frankly disgusting to see coming from what was a mostly fair series when it came to such things.
Sure it'll appeal to Americans but it's going to alienate most other folks.
#90
How does the Battle Hymn of the Republic have anything to do with stereotyping the British as horrible evil folk?
(for the record: we probably were. Not to say that the Americans were perfect paragons of shining goodness, but if my history remembrance is correct, it wasn't exactly a nice, fair, "pistols at dawn" kind of affair. It was a war of reconquest/independence)
Honestly, picking on something because it is on the side of the Americans is rather silly, in my honest opinion. Did you kick up a fuss when "insert nation here" was made the main enemy of the previous AC games? Somebody has to be the villain. Turns out it's Britain this time.
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#91
It's not the song choice. It's the whOle tone of the trailer especially where it talks about "fighting against slavery and oppression.". It's incredibly hypocritical to whitewash the revolution that way.
Of course this is all marketing towards the lowest common denominator of American gamer so we'll see how the game itself portrays things
#92
I'd rather have the truth instead of propaganda. Assassin's Creed has always been good at dealing with both sides evenly, and hopefully AC3 will do the same and the advertising is just doing the same as AC1's did, which ignored the fact that you were killing Muslim soldiers as well as Christian."Yeah, we, as a nation, were collectively a bunch of total assholes for the better part of our history. We oppressed the natives, were fairly racist, and laughed at poor people."
I don't remember there being any main nation as a target in any of the previous AC games. It was always Assassin/Templar mixed in with the general population of whatever area it was set in, but here they're singling out British soldiers in all the marketing as targets. All this tyranny and oppression bullshit is annoying as well, they were British citizens as far as the Empire was concerned, not slaves or oppressed peasants. Tax without representation and an insane monarch who wouldn't back down doesn't sound as catchy though.Did you kick up a fuss when "insert nation here" was made the main enemy of the previous AC games?
#94
The commercials for AC1 had Altair hunting down and killing Christian soldiers on his way to assassinating a Templar to the point where they added the "a bunch of people from different cultures made this don't get too pissed off okay?" disclaimer. I'm hoping that's what this is.I don't remember there being any main nation as a target in any of the previous AC games.
You guys are trying to be politically correct just for the sake of it. It's the same with black people feeling offended when there's an advertisement with only white people, so each ad producer must insert a token nationality guy to not offend a certain ethnical group. Now you can't have a movie with white only or black only heroes/team of heroes without someone being offended. Just like here. It's gotten to the point of absurdity.
From here.Naturally, each city you visit is awash in turmoil considering the whole American Revolution currently going on. Connor is in an interesting position during all of this. Ubisoft is very careful to stress that this isn't some "Woo! America!" type of game. Connor is an outsider: he doesn't identify with his English heritage, and he has taken issue with his Mohawk tribe after they were ravaged by enemies, and the elders refused to retaliate. Long story short: Connor has found a new home with the assassins, looking to eradicate the newfound Templar threat on this side of the Atlantic.
#97
Well this should be entertaining.
@Misiok,
That's not the point, lol. It's about neutrality, AC is about grey zones, neither side should be 'fought for', media does represent the game that way though, in favor of the USA, even if the game itself might not be like that in the end.
If the game is about him being on no side in a time of war, what better way to show him fighting both sides, than just portraying the cookie cutter 'America, Fuck yea!" stuff.
#99
Misiok, "politically correct" is what the ads are for an American audience. All American revolutionaries were the "good guys" fighting the "oppression" of the evil British.
Lone, marketting speak is never trustworthy. We won''t know for sure unless we play the game.
After the last AC, i was thinking this was way to overdone and they had an lack of new ideas. Before the last one came out, i could bet the next would act in france during the revolution.
But hey, slaugthering Red Coats`? Love it. I'am just a bit leery how they will show the historic facts with all these founding fathers, age of reason by Pain and stuff.
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