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#101
Which actually makes a lot of sense, since you can allow individual applications to completely rearrange the layout of the interface device to suit the specific needs of that application.What's interesting is that there are concepts of laptops, notebooks and netbooks that use dual touch-displays in place of the familiar monitor and kb+touch-pad arrangement, with the bottom display acting as a reconfigurable touch-keyboard.
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#102
I didn't get the idea of a touch screen interface before getting an iPad. I liked the idea of being able to consume internet anywhere I was (assuming I was connected to the Internet of course), but couldn't understand how I'd use it.
Then I got my hands on one and it became so clear why touch interfaces are appealing. When you're using your fingers and hands to manipulate items on a computer's screen it feels much more natural. The keyboard and mouse are a barrier between the user and content consumption (and creation... which is why digitizer input is so good for artists). Being able to touch what you're working with is just straight up better.
Now, the Metro UI... obviously they're designing it for touch, and they should be, because tablets are the way forward... beyond tablets is display walls and kinect type sensors.
This.Originally Posted by roflmao
It has not happened yet, it is nowhere even close to happening. A vast majority of PCs sold today still use keyboard and mouse configurations. Developing an OS that requires use of niche hardware (like it or not, touchscreens in the Desktop/Laptop market are still niche) in order to use well is just a recipe for disaster. Microsoft would be much better off making Metro optional, with a simple 'Are you using a touchscreen?' dialog box on installation, since a vast majority of people are still using keyboard-and-mouse setups and will be for years to come. Touchscreens are a long way from becoming ubiquitous (IF they ever get widely adopted) and Microsoft is most definatly jumping the gun here.Honestly, I think MS is probably correct in their apparent assumption that the traditional PC with one big monitor is going to be a thing of the past for the mainstream soon. With most of the video cards on the market supporting multiple monitors out of the box, LCD monitors being cheap as dirt now, and the growing prevalence of USB touchscreens, the family PC is probably going to look a lot different in the future.
#104
Uber: Until I can play Starcraft or Battlefield with a tablet, and beat someone using a mouse and keyboard, I simply don't agree.
I've used tablets and they still strike me as fairly gimmicky for my particular uses of a computer. They're worse for data entry (typing). They're worse for serious gaming. They're essentially equivalent for reading email or viewing content (I get that you can "do that anywhere", but for me personally sitting at my couch and sitting at my computer are essentially equivalent). They're nice if you're on an a wifi-enabled train or something when going to work, but honestly, multi-touch and finger manipulation suck for what I do most of the time.
We have this tension at work with the project I'm working on. Everyone wants tablets to be the way of the future, but at the same time every engineer has 3-4 monitors on their desks. Obviously, they're not going to be using an iPad for what they do any time soon, because you simply can't do what they do without the extra screen real estate. But multi-touch! Apple stock prices! iOS market share! Sure, people will use tablets for whatever they can find a use for them. That's tautological. But to suggest that they're going to replace the way we do actual productive work strikes me as very premature.
#105
Nothing, the major problem is that Metro does it in a way detrimental to everybody who doesn't use a touchscreen. Also that most of the stuff surrounding it is pretty clunky and poorly designed. I don't think most people would have a problem if Metro weren't mandatory and they didn't actively do things making it more difficult or tedious to use the UI with a kb/m, like removing the start menu.What's wrong with supporting niche markets with specific features in your product anyway?
I've said this before but I really, really want tablets to get cheap and affordable enough to be the sort of thing you toss in a room and just use for some light browsing or reading, instead of this halfway thing between a smartphone and a laptop. But then I also want a jetpack and all these other things sci-fi promised me.They're essentially equivalent for reading email or viewing content (I get that you can "do that anywhere", but for me personally sitting at my couch and sitting at my computer are essentially equivalent).
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Ha, called itWhat's interesting is that there are concepts of laptops, notebooks and netbooks that use dual touch-displays in place of the familiar monitor and kb+touch-pad arrangement, with the bottom display acting as a reconfigurable touch-keyboard.
. Okay not on desktops and I’d bet a lot of money they won't have sufficient peak entry speed or sufficient tactile feedback to be overly useful to your average joe just yet. But it's defiantly a step in the direction of what I see as the future.
I don't know what i'm talking about, ignore me.
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Or are they being proactive and preparing for the time when multi-touch interfaces are as familiar as the kb+mouse - which, like or not, is going to happen. It's just a question of how soon this will happen.and Microsoft is most definatly jumping the gun here.
I recall a time where people said things like, "Oh, we don't need access to more than 640k of RAM so why support it?" Look where we are now, in an age where 2 gigs is the realistic minimum needed to run your OS and all your programs concurrently.
I've also seen a fair number of "all-in-ones" made by Gateway, HP and Sony whose centerpiece is a large, multi-touch display with kb+mouse attached via USB.A vast majority of PCs sold today still use keyboard and mouse configurations.
Erm, no offense intended but I think "requires" is the wrong word here. If this so-called "niche hardware" was required, most of us wouldn't be able to run Windows 8 CP at all.Developing an OS that requires use of niche hardware
#108
No, it's a question of if it gains enough popularity to be used as a supplement or replacement to the keyboard/mouse. Just because a thing exists doesn't mean it falls into common use.Or are they being proactive and preparing for the time when multi-touch interfaces are as familiar as the kb+mouse - which, like or not, is going to happen. It's just a question of how soon this will happen.
#109
@Mirage:
The difference between upgrading ram and switching between PC to tablets is that tablets are not more efficient than PCs in all cases. Tablets are more efficient for some tasks, but way less efficient in others, so they aren't going to replace PCs unless everyone decides that less efficiency is a good thing.
Physical keyboards and big monitors aren't going anywhere soon.
@Nanaki: Hey, we actually agree on something! :P
@starblade: I think the growing popularity of the iPad and Android tablets is a fairly good indicator of the public acceptance and use of touch only and touch capable devices.
@roflmao: What I was referring to was the thinking in tech circles back in the early 80's. Most techies couldn't conceive of the need for more than 640k of RAM in much the same way that some people can't conceive of touch interfaces ever supplementing or even replacing mechanical keyboards and mice.
As we see touch technology improve, we're going to see an increase in efficiency as well.
#111
There are differences between laptops, tablets, phones, and desktop computers, and how they are used and operated. Just because they are used in one type of device does not mean they are used in all of them or even necessarily should be (for example, there is no particularly reason to have a mouse on a tablet). Whether or not touchscreens take off as a popular input device for desktop computing remains to be seen.I think the growing popularity of the iPad and Android tablets is a fairly good indicator of the public acceptance and use of touch only and touch capable devices.
You don't see a difference or a disconnect between those two scenarios?Most techies couldn't conceive of the need for more than 640k of RAM in much the same way that some people can't conceive of touch interfaces ever supplementing or even replacing mechanical keyboards and mice.
#112
I think you should check current sales stats. The reason MS is going this route is that Tablets are selling fast, and laptop sales pretty much eclipsed desktop sales long ago. The majority of mainstream home users I know don't have a desktop anymore, they just have a notebook, or a few notebooks, in large families. And the current sales trends quite clearly project tablets outselling laptops soon.A vast majority of PCs sold today still use keyboard and mouse configurations.
The fact is... And this will seem heretical to my fellow gamers and tech geeks, but the average home user doesn't need a desktop, or even a full powered laptop, really. Tablets and other task based devices are actually more than sufficient to fulfill the needs of a casual end-user consumer.
Basically, the desktop is a dinosaur. Sorry, I love mine, but they're not the way of the future, and it shouldn't be a surprise that the big companies are wanting to invest where the money is.
AgreedWhether or not touchscreens take off as a popular input device for desktop computing remains to be seen.
At least Microsoft and its hardware partners are providing us users with the opportunity to try this out and see what does and doesn't work.
Oh I can. The problem I think is that we're not on the same wavelength. I'm referring to the ability to look at a scenario, think outside the box and be able / willing to see different perspectives of the same scenario and paths that the scenario might take.You don't see a difference or a disconnect between those two scenarios?
@Paladin: I see the desktop as evolving and adapting to new technologies...as it always has. I think the desktop of the future...will more than likely literally be a desktop
Thing is, W8 seems a bit schizophrenic in my opinion. Better support for multiple screens (finally!) yet a heavy focus on tablet stuff, without being able to have a purely tablet-like OS or a purely desktop-like OS. Microsoft needs to make decisions instead of just throwing everything but the kitchen sink and hoping something sticks. Killing the start menu just feels like a bizarre decision, even if Linux DEs seem to be doing the same (GNOME 3 and Unity, namely).
Oh and to anyone who thinks multiple monitors is coming in anytime soon, think again. People still get confused when they see my five-monitor desktop and think I have five different computers...
I HAVE to see a photo of thisPeople still get confused when they see my five-monitor desktop and think I have five different computers...
#116
That, and until I can type faster on a tablet without having to look at the keys. Let's not forget that the primary purpose of the keyboard is to enter text, and lots of it. I have absolutely no desire to attempt to write a 20 page article on a tablet.Uber: Until I can play Starcraft or Battlefield with a tablet, and beat someone using a mouse and keyboard, I simply don't agree.
Multi-monitor setups on the other hand I think are becoming more prevalent. You can get monitors for pretty cheap now, and once you've used two you just don't want to go back to one anymore.
#117
Part of the problem is that, sadly, the majority of computer users don't know how to type properly. Most of them use the horrible two finger typing system. So, switching to a tablet isn't a huge loss of efficiency for typing if you never harnessed the power of the keyboard to begin with.
So it's definitely possible that tablets might become the majority and PCs the minority, but PCs are not going to go away any time soon. So I'm pretty sure we'll still see significant support for them for a long long time.
Its not even being proactive, its going all-in for a market that does not even exist yet, and if you are a part of Microsoft's current market of Keyboard and Mouse users, well, sucks to be you. Your forced into using a GUI that is, for all intents and purposes, much worse compared to the older versions of Windows.
As it is, from what I gathered I think I will be sticking with Windows 7 instead, since I do need an upgrade from this old 32-bit Windows XP that I have been using for nearly a decade.
There are people who would argue that the GUI is a massive improvement over older versions of Windows...and you know what? Like your assessment of the GUI, it's just a stated opinion, not a statement of fact. While I think that the Start screen is a bit dull needs more polish and flair, I feel it's visually easier to locate the programs I want to run due to the layout and size of tiles and icons. At the Start screen, I can start typing and Windows will immediately start displaying search results. Back on the desktop, I'm still able to do the things I've always done in prior versions of Windows and yet I've also gained an improved task manager and a pop-up overlay that can take me straight to the search engine, sharing, system setttings and so on.if you are a part of Microsoft's current market of Keyboard and Mouse users, well, sucks to be you. Your forced into using a GUI that is, for all intents and purposes, much worse compared to the older versions of Windows.
So how exactly does it suck to be me?
#120
I just don't understand why they removed functionality and replaced it with Metro instead of having both and the option to go between them. Instead you get to half-ass between an interface meant for a touchscreen and for moving your hands in front of it (Metro is deployed on the 360 and is meant to work with the Kinect as well; incidentally, it's terrible there too if you don't have a Kinect and use a controller) and the standard UI for keyboards and mice. If they want to make a touchscreen UI for their OS, great, but this is about as half-assed as it can get going by what I've seen and read about it.
#121
You haven't tried it yet?
Also, I didn't know they'd pushed it for the 360 platform. It's a shame, really, because PCs have a lot more flexibility than consoles and 360 users won't be able to adapt in the same way PC users of Win8 will.
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#122
I've done everything but, including use Metro on other platforms (it's kind of clunky with handwaves, but that's more because you're, well, waving your hands). I'd like to get some time later to give it a shot though. Metro might suck but I'd like to see how the rest of the OS is, I've heard very little about it outside of Metro. But yeah, they're pushing their unified design thing they started with Windows Phone pretty hard.You haven't tried it yet?
Not going to comment on this as I don't have an Xbox. But tell me, is it just the revised UI you can grab for the Xbox or replace the entire OS? I'm a bit fuzzy on how this works for Xbox owners.Metro is deployed on the 360 and is meant to work with the Kinect as well; incidentally, it's terrible there too if you don't have a Kinect and use a controller
#124
It's the revised UI as far as I know. It's set up the same way Metro is and referred to as such, with its large squares, white space, and so on. Same with Windows Phone, too, where the design began. It's not the whole of Windows 8 or anything, just the same design and layout as the Metro menu. I'm not sure what its operating system is, really.
Though with the 360 you probably actually do get to call me an old fart who doesn't want change because I'm the only one who liked the original "blades" idea most of all.
#125
MK: If I remember right (don't own an Xbox but a friend does and I've played on it a bit), the Xbox's Metro interface is similar to the Microsoft Store portion of the Win8 CP. That's assuming that it's not something new that's been implemented in the last couple of months, since I haven't touched an Xbox since January. It's also assuming that my memory isn't incorrect in that regard.
#126
Bit late to the party but I'll add my 2c..
Metro interface: good for smaller hardware, phones and pads, that have no keyboard and limited screen real estate. A configurable control surface here is useful. I'll ignore the big friendly button look for now, or computing for the sight impaired (which is what it makes me think of.. or perhaps one of those kids starter things with massive buttons).
On my laptop however, even if it had a touchscreen, the last thing I want to see while navigating around is my big finger in the way of all the pretty icons
Mirage Knight mentioned earlier something that I have often thought would be interesting however.. imagine a laptop with (possibly) a touch screen, but in place of the regular keyboard another, configurable touch surface. With the ability to be a keyboard or any other configured input surface (replacing hotkeys etc for software applications/gaming).. that would be useful. They'd have to work on tactile feedback somewhat. Microsoft was working on something similar to this but I forgot the name.. a competitor to the iPad, but they stopped developing it.
Personally I think the whole touchscreen thing has gotten to be a bit of a gimmick though.. lets put 'em where they are useful, not on everything that has a screen (like my laptop again.. the mouse is closer than the screen and much more convenient than leaning over the table).
The Microsoft Courier was meant to be some sort of tablet-ebook crossover, though it also never was planned to enter production, unfortunately.
#128
I wish I could remember who it was that had a laptop like that in production... I was looking at one not too long ago online, but haven't been able to find it again.It got decent-ish reviews, though it was pretty much agreed upon by the people who'd bought one that the touchscreen keyboard wasn't the most amazing thing ever if you planned on typing fast. I can't remember if it just had the one touchscreen, though, or if both screen surfaces were multitouch.
EDIT: Bah. Still can't find it. Did find a touchscreen keyboard, though.
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#129
I do think there is something natural and intuitive about touch screens that's impressive. I never cease to be amazed at how many 1 year olds can use an iPad without instructions by just relying on their intuition. We touch and grab to interact with everything else in life, so it just makes sense that this should be extended to the digital world.
Having said that, there are other limitations about tablets that are going to prevent them from replacing PCs. Monitor space, poorer hardware, inefficient typing, battery life, and others.
So, here's an idea: Desktop PC's with touch screens! Oh yeah.
At present, that is certainly true. However, as time marches on, tablet technology will improve and become more reliable, powerful, accessible and cheaper. At the same time, tablets will become even more viable computing devices than they are at present. That said, hand-held tablets will never completely replace desktop computers and workstations. To gain mobility in a computer, you'll always wind up sacrificing screen size, storage capacity, duration, and more than likely processing power. That's not to say that desktops and workstations can't benefit from technologies used in tablets to make them even better when employed properly.Having said that, there are other limitations about tablets that are going to prevent them from replacing PCs. Monitor space, poorer hardware, inefficient typing, battery life, and others.
#131
Here's an idea. A Desktop PC with an Additional Touch Screen used to quick launch Apps.So, here's an idea: Desktop PC's with touch screens! Oh yeah.
So one monitor is only used to launch apps and the other is dedicated for desktop use / workspace for non-Metro apps.
Here's the funny thing: I could be wrong but apparently you can set up your monitors to do just that under Windows 8.
#133
Those people probably don't input a lot of text to begin with. If your job includes lots of typing and you don't know how to use the 10 finger system then what the hell are you doing.So, switching to a tablet isn't a huge loss of efficiency for typing if you never harnessed the power of the keyboard to begin with.
Being the average Joe. To be fair most people I’ve encountered in most offices can't touch type. That said I’m not sure that’s even relevant here. As a dyslexic I’m pretty sure I’m on the slower end of the two finger typing spectrum and my experience with touchscreen devices tells me the current norm couldn't keep up with my keyboard skills. I'm pretty sure most 2 finger typers can still type faster than the screens can handle.So, switching to a tablet isn't a huge loss of efficiency for typing if you never harnessed the power of the keyboard to begin with.
Those people probably don't input a lot of text to begin with. If your job includes lots of typing and you don't know how to use the 10 finger system then what the hell are you doing.
Hell despite watching my fingers constantly I still rely a lot on the tactile feedback to type properly. It tells me if I hit a key right and if I accidentally caught another key a lot. It's not perfect as some of my horribad spelling has shown. But on say even a laptop keyboard the much reduced key travel really screws my typing accuracy up. I'd bet most other 2 finger writers would have similar tactile issues with a touchscreen keyboard too.
@Paladin: I wouldn't count on those tablet figures staying that high long term. Right now people are still just starting to use them. As you say they're quite useful, and cheap enough every member of the household can have one. But once they've got one for everyone that’s getting one that sales rate is going to drop. A tablet just can't do everything even a laptop can and that’s going to curtail people from throwing their beefier stuff out for quite some time, if not permanently. The current tablet situation is rather analogous to the early mobile phone fad. Those early phones evolved at a frightening pace and people swapped to a newer better model fairly regularly. But then people hit a plateau. The phones kept improving. But people where mostly happy with what they had and weren’t so eager to upgrade and we got the G3 phones fiasco. The next big thing suddenly became the next big flop. Not that they didn't sell, and indeed not that mobile phones don't sell well now. But the days when people got a new phone nearly every other month have been and gone. I fully expect a similar cycle with tablets. They'll grow in power and functionality whilst lowering in cost until people hit a certain point and the manic urge to stay at the front of the wave fades and then the tablet bubble is going to pop. They'll remain a strong selling item. But nothing like the craziness where beginning to see now.
@Mirage: I don't think we'll ever see desktops disappear, they're size will always afford them better input means and raw power. Not to mention you can have very large screens with them which are exceedingly popular atm. My experience locally is that most households have a desktop for the more heavy duty stuff, but for general web browsing or movie watching they use one or more laptops. Tablets are just starting to show up around here, (it's not exactly an affluent area TBH), and it's hard to spot a trend with them yet, but i suspect that we'll see them heavily used for the same basic tasks as laptops are being used for now, displacing those rather than the desktops. Laptops got popular because of how they allowed many basic tasks to be done portably. Now that tablets are edging into the same market reliably I see laptops being replaced for that application. In fact for non-traveling business and non-business applications I think the laptop will be the big midterm loser in this tablet explosion. In the long term, well we don't know what else we'll be using computers for in that kind of time frame. If some medium intensity application comes along that a tablet can't handle, and decent tablet prices drop low enough, they could well make a resurgence amongst the home users.
As for a literal "desktop" desktop. I don't see it. Doing so to keep it small enough in size would require screens to drop back down in size a fair bit, and i don't see that being attractive any time soon. Maybe one day, but not until the average house size rises a fair bit.
@Croaxleigh: Would you perhaps be referring to this Asus touchpad PC? I believe they also had projects to work on a laptop that'd use a flexible OLED screen to close up (the screen making up the entirety of the laptop, with a hidden hinge in the middle).
About the multi-screen with one being a touchscreen thing, this reminds me of some peculiar piece of hardware. Basically you use the keyboard as a dock for your Android or iOS smartphone and, using an app on it with software on your computer, you can control certain features or see information about your PC on your smartphone's screen. For instance, the smartphone could behave as a numpad (since that keyboard doesn't have one) and switch over to being a music control app or something at the press of a button.
The concept certainly sounds neat, and while I'm not too fond on the idea of replacing the numpad, I'd be curious to try out their separate dock.
#136
Ooh! WANT!
#137
FriendlyFire: That could be it, though I thought the one that I saw was a bit thicker. If I could remember the store site I saw it at that'd probably make finding it easier. :P
Was just reading that Mozilla is working on a Metro version of Firefox; they've supposedly gotten a generic program integrated with Metro and are using that as the basis for their FF build. Also found out that apparently the only browser that launches from Metro (assuming a point in the future where several browsers have a Metro interface as well as a traditional interface) is whichever one you've got set to default. Trying to launch a non-default browser launches the Desktop version instead (which some reviewers ran into when installing the CP and having a non-IE browser set as default; when they tested the IE app on Metro it switched them to the Desktop.)
While I can see this being useful for tablets, I suppose (allowing Metro apps to represent your OS defaults, e.g. browsers, media players, etc.), it seems out of place on the PC version.
One of the things that's been pointed out in this thread with regard to Windows 8's multi-touch support and touchscreen hardware is diminished accuracy when compared to a mouse - one which I won't argue with.
That being said, I found this rather interesting article just now.
#139
MK: I read something about that yesterday. Thought it was pretty neat, though of course at the moment it's just another Microsoft tech demo.
Just ran into something kind of neat with the CP. I decided to try and launch a program I already had installed on my hard drive and a popup appeared saying that I needed the .NET Framework. Unlike the usual Windows notifications, though, it said, "Would you like to download this now?" I clicked the download button and it downloaded and installed the Framework software without needing any further input. Once it was done it reminded me that I might need to restart the program or app to take advantage of the new installation.
Wow, that research is great. If they can get that done soon, I will think of going back to Windows eventually.
After reading this entire thread, with somewhat a juxtaposition of amusement and disbelief I find myself coming to a most apparent concluding opinion.
As TDATL has said, and I paraphrase with additions:- Horses for courses, Tools for jobs and everything in its place!
... or we could ask this as a question - Is it fit for purpose?
The short answer, NO!
Why? They appear to have deployed onto PC's of today a tablet version of the multi-platform OS, one that invariably requires the touch-based-PC's of the future to properly test, without giving the ability to intuitively adapt to the limitations of the hardware platform it is on. Giving it the ability to ask whether the user would like to use the Metro interface as the initial start screen would have been an advantage.
Just to cover myself - I do realise this is a test version and not a completed product and I have read this thread and not actually tested the OS deployment, don't have the money to buy a new hard disk which would be needed.
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I do find my neurons having a 'knee-jerk' reaction to the changes being implemented amounting to the sum of - NOOOOO, Dat's be change 'n' dat's bad!!!
Last edited by Chaos Godstone; 31st Mar 12 at 3:12 PM. Reason: An after thought.
Actually, I'm using Windows Server 8 on my laptop and I'm slowly warming up to it. Of course, WS8 is probably a lot less annoying than "userland" Windows 8, but maybe that just means more people should give it a shot
#143
I ran across something kind of neat the other day that's probably old news to everyone else
Got the girlfriend a new laptop while she was out of town as a surprise and figured I'd toss the Win8 Consumer Preview on a separate partition from Windows 7 so she could try it out and see what she thought about it. Signed in using the same Hotmail account I used on my desktop so I could download a few apps I thought she'd like. When it signed in, the wallpaper that had been active in Win8 on my desktop was set as the wallpaper for the Win8 Desktop on the laptop and the sites that I'd visited in the IE app on my desktop were loaded into the laptop app's recent history. I think some other settings carried over as well though I didn't really explore it that much since she logged in with her own account after she saw the basics in mine. Still I was impressed that it at least kept track of a few things... I know that's kind of the point of having the "Microsoft ID" live login but until then I hadn't actually seen it in action.
Depending on exactly what all is synced with your Microsoft ID it could make it a bit easier to keep things in sync between a laptop and a desktop (or either of those and a tablet.) Keeping multiple computers in sync (such as a desktop and a laptop) will also be aided by Homegroup file sharing and SkyDrive integration; you'll be able to (theoretically) easily move files, access other files in SkyDrive and let Windows worry about keeping your settings and browsing history in sync.
@croax:
Yes that is a very useful feature - being able to sync certain settings and files between a laptop, tablet and a desktop via a Live ID. This was working even in the Developer Preview and discovered this quite by accident when I had two desktop builds of Win 8 DP running. I think even cloud-based apps acquired via the Store will sync between devices. Apps acquired from the store are updated via the Store btw: The Store will let you know via its tile if and how many of your apps have updates. Go to the update section of the store, click, and the Store does the rest. Another nice feature I found: Users have the ability to reinstall Windows while maintaining all the users’ personal files, accounts, and personalization settings via a menu feature. Additionally, users can reset everything on their PC back to "factory" condition via a single menu feature as well. MS obviously had corporate deployment and IT specialist in mind when they worked that feature in.
#145
Yup, I'm definitely a fan of the "reset" options they've included. Haven't used them, but it's nice to know they're there.
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