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So I've just got back from the midnight showing and it seemed pretty good.
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I took that that was a different installation to wherever the aliens we know were made and that they were attempting the same feat. At least that's my take on it. I think the alien at the end was too different to be supposed to be exactly the same, just similar.
I could stand to hear a little more... (Serenity)I, uh... could have done without that mental image, Pock.
kais:
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It was revealed many weeks ago that the planetoid in Prometheus is LV223, not LV426 from the first two Alien films. BUT in a little HBO making-of video that I found on Youtube, Ridley Scott says this moon is in the star system Zeta II Reticuli... the same system from Alien. Different moon, same gas giant?
Look at the bright side, kid - you get to keep all the money.
#104
NoooooooooooPROMETHEUS world premiere: 30 may
PROMETHEUS Polish premiere: 20 july
I hate you all. Well, except Misiok.
When did they change that? Is it because of UEFA EURO? Bastards.
Can't wait to see this today. I've never liked the pure horror genre, so I'm glad this isn't (one of the reasons I won't even touch the original Alien, despite loving Aliens).
Let's sail in this sea of charms
Let's drown underneath the stars
#106
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Just got back from watching it and ive found that im left with more questions than answers. It was certainly a good film and when you leave the cinema it helps to go over it in your head as that helps you work parts of it out. I look forward to the sequel.
Wanna see it but its only showing in 3D at my local cinema. 3D anygood?
Sod it, im gonna have to go see it during the day tomorrow. Too many people saying it's good, and how it is very much the prequel to Alien.
It is but it isnt a prequel.
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Just went and saw it today, the cinema was pretty empty, dunno if that's because everyone avoids the first day of release or because it was in 3D or the movie is magically a flop.
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It was sort of okay, I am pretty tired so dunno if I was just a bit blank but it didn't get my emotions going. The visuals were VERY solid, the plot was kind of....dunno, lacking in some aspect.
It's basically an Alien movie, with modern visuals and effects, and some good actors but... somehow lacks the suspense and tension of an Alien movie. Noomi Rapace does a good enough job, and there are scenes reminiscent of Ellen Ripley, but seems to lack the strength that Sigourney Weaver brought.
Some of the supporting actors are obviously trying to play the support cast of the Alien movies but just coming across as not quite right.
Again I am pretty tired lately so I may not have been able to give it a fair watch and 3D is always a bit off-putting because I just don't like it (though it didn't seem intrusive in this movie). At least it's definitely a movie for the big screen and deserves to be seen on it if you chose to watch it.
#112
SO i just came back from watching prometheus in 3D.
The 3D effect was actually rather subtle much of the time, as i can't remember any parts that really lunged out at me. i can only assume that this is due to ripley being aware that as with any piece of technology, it's best used in moderation. No real complaints here.
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TROLL
the real spoiler
Okay, the meat. I'm diving straight into the deep end so you've been warned.
after the alien spaceship doesn't take off, the space jockey/engineer in the bridge leaves the seat to pursue miss shaw in the escape pod. That's a big plot-hole if one assumes that prometheus is a prequel to alien. if not, well...thats one giant facehugger...er...body hugger? tentacle raep? D:
Second is the appearance differences between the types of aliens and alien eggs replaced with cylindrical containers. Now, the alien that bursts out of the pissed-off jockey seems to have some queen alien attributes, such as the secondary mouth sheathing out from within the first. The head-crest's difference in shape can be explained away by it being a newborn. chestbursters are nothing like the full adults, and if anything, the alien that emerged from the jockey is more fully developed than the ones that come out of humans (yes, yes, humans are "descendants" of jockeys, psssshhhhh).
In addition to this, the cylinders in prometheus seem to be packs of biological stingers filled with the magical black stuff, and i initially thought that those would've been used as javelins, but i've changed my mind as i remember what happened in the giant head-tomb. i.e. turning tiny soil-dwelling worms/maggots into arm-breaking face-hugging monsters with acidic blood.
Now, this black liquid is indeed ridiculously powerful, as i can only imagine that the squid-like creature that came out of miss shaw was a mutated human sperm. they had sex after charlie was infected. judging by the time it took a tiny drop of the stuff to infect charlie halloway, and what a mouthful of acidic blood with black liquid in the face did to the howling geologist with his scanning pups...
thinking about it...if that cobra-like creature was a mutated worm, and the giant squid/body-hugger was a mutated sperm, what would the mutated forms of humans be? I'm not sure if you can consider the beast version of the geologist a final form. The cobra-alien that humped the biologist's face also didn't have time to finish its business as they were interrupted.
Still, if you think about it, the alien at the end of the movie is the result of an infected human impregnating a human woman, giving "birth" to a giant squid-like body-hugger which, in-turn, impregnates a space jockey giving birth to the alien. Now that's a complex life cycle.
Still, those forms don't seem to be unfamiliar to the jockeys, as a mural of giger's alien can clearly be seen in the chamber with the giant head.
God i'm just rambling on and on and on. and on.
Oh, the abortion scene. That was pretty silly. B grade movie silly. so the machine removed the alien from her uterus and clamped it back together with metalic clamps. right. That scene was hands down the weakest link in the whole film, and by that i mean it should have been executed better.
I like david's character though.
going to watch this and alien trilogy again. maybe resurrection for shits & giggles.
Oh, before i forget, remember how in the end of the rebellion AVP3 game,
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weyland-yutani finds the homeworld of the alien xenomorphs?
I can see them (rebellion) fucking around with the events in prometheus, and fucking around with the whole IP in general. :-|
Hopefully sega slaps a few fishes across their collective faces.
*mildly disgusted with negative price discrimination*
Went and seen it tonight, It was really good in my opinion, though I never saw it in 3D so can't comment on it. I already wear specs and wearing specs on specs is a pain in the fucking arse.
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I was running with idea, Ammon, that the pods in the film give birth to those tentacled snake things that then impregnate (in any fashion, via infection or laying eggs) a host, which then gives birth to a MASSIVE FUCKING facehugger. Now this facehugger gives birth to the alien at the end (which I assumed was a 'Queen') which then once it matures lays more eggs, which then spawn miny facehuggers which lay eggs which then chest-burst out to give the standard alien.
That's what I was going with, its a sort of massively long process. And that was why the pods in the ship were 'weapons' because they were so dangerous that they created the queen. One could create an entire hive. But then I think your analysis that each combination of factors creates a completely different beast probably makes more sense, and the black goo never really had much to do with anything at all apart from that it was a similar creation as the eggs from the original.
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#114
My flatmate says it's awesome.
He is not a nerd.
Ergo, want to see.
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I think it's definitely worth seeing even if you're not an Alien fan. It's not a pure 'horror' movie, though I does have its disturbing moments. The story was well thought through, engaging and interesting, and the visuals were pretty breathtaking at points.
@Ammon:
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This is set on a different world to Alien. So no, not a direct prequel I guess.after the alien spaceship doesn't take off, the space jockey/engineer in the bridge leaves the seat to pursue miss shaw in the escape pod. That's a big plot-hole if one assumes that prometheus is a prequel to alien.
Also I thought the scene where the thing was removed from her was the best in the entire film, really tense and creepy.
@plot:
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Why were there a whole load of civilisations on Earth with drawings of a military installation's location?
The 3d was superlative, Scott really knocked it out of the park, he is better than Cameron in using it to add texture to nearly every scene - very much a depth addition that I would like to see in ALL films going forward.
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Plot wise not really a spoiler but the films take on biology (from the dude at the start) throughout was clearly itterative I liked the fact we didn't go straight from goo to aliens, the critical point here is that the alien is the ultimate killing machine, it had to go through several phases to perfect itself.
The biggest fault of the movie, which I think is because it considers itself hard sci fi so no need for handholding, is that it literally jumps straight in GO GO GO. If I had not got the online videos (TED lecture, Shore vid calls etc.) I would have been lost. Pretty much the whole two hours hoons along.
#118
go see the movie so you can join in already!
It still bothers me that I don't get what that engineer on Earth was doing committing suicide apparently, why they wanted to kill Earth, why humans had this linked star-map to the military installation, whether xenomorphs are the intended outcome or that the goop was just some random highly mutagenic pathogen.
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@Nuri
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I enjoyed that nothing was spelled out to be honest and much is open to interpretation. And I actually forgot about the prologue with the guy 'honouring'? the coming of that saucer by drinking the poison and polluting the river. Was it made clear that that was on the Isle of Sky? Or was it just that the camping humans were on the Isle of Sky which just happened to have a very similar landscape? So many questions, but then this is Ridley Scott. The first Alien never proved where the eggs for the facehuggers came from and was Deckard actually a replicant in Blade Runner?
Not sure if serious...
Shoota Fodder.
Deckard wasnt a replicant. Wanna go see this tonight, first 3D movie. I wear glasses to. should be fun!
Sorry, I worded that badly. I meant more 'could he have been a replicant the whole time' what with false memories and all that. A lot is left for the audience to interpret in Scott's movies.
I've heard that the originol plan for that was that deckard was going to turn out to be a replicant but it was shot by the executives. So it's actually still a genuine question. Was he a replicant and it just wasn't shown, or was the idea tottally scrapped.
I don't know what i'm talking about, ignore me.
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The movie leaves it open but either the actor himself or the director said so somewhere. Still until I read it myself I often thought to myself if he really was, after re-watching the movie ofcourse. And the movies ive seen from scott have always been good. I do want to see Prometheus but I feel the spec on spec action all up in my face with the 3d specs and my glasses would bug me too much to enjoy the movie. Ill wait for the DVD release, sometime before the end of the year hopefully.
Shoota Fodder i don't think you actually got the point of the start of the film.
No, I didn't, I'll admit that. But you're not exactly enlightening me.
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Thinking about it, I'm assuming it's supposed to be the 'start' of human life on earth when you see the human cells multiplying in the river. But that's just an assumption because it never actually specifies what planet the aliens are on. I'm guessing we've to assume that it was Skye, the place that looks similar where they find the cave paintings.
The opening scene was in Iceland, btw.
#128
in the film's setting, or the filming location?
@ramrod.
You misinterpreted my annoyance with that scene.
too light-headed and tired to explain properly what bothers me.
@john, yeah, i realize its not officially a prequel, which is why i noted it, as that event does disconnect it from alien completely. It can be considered a "spiritual" prequel if you wish.
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The operation scene was the only scene that really destroyed my suspension of disbelief.
@shoota
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Hmmm, your analysis also makes a bit of sense, but it does raise the question as to how the alien squid face hugger got into elizabeth Shaw from Charlie, as it is a completely different form than the snake creatures wriggling through the black liquid in the giant-head chamber. Also consider that Charlie only showed any symptoms 6-10 hours after infection from a miniscule drop of the black liquid. I also vaguely remember seeing a silver creature in charlie's eye when he first realizes something is wrong with him. I can't be sure but i remember the silvery thing being similar in shape to the snake in the giant-head chamber. perhaps your thesis is more correct than mine, and the soil-dwelling creatures were simply biomass for the infectious organism/liquid.
The form of the snakes is similar to chestbursters, in that they're both snake-like creatures with phallic overtones. that, however, doesn't answer what happened to the geologist, or why he -IT- returned to the prometheus. The snake that entered the biologist also left the body alive which is food for thought...
Having said all that, i find the character development of miss vickers to be an opportunity missed. I was expecting some more humane reactions after she charred charlie, especially after the scene with her and the captain. "hey, she is a human after all". i was expecting her to loose some of her cold edge, not a catharsis per see, but some kind of redeeming scene of some kind, instead of getting crushed by a giany alienwheelspaceship.
You guys really should get a clue about Blade Runner being based on a fucking book.
#130
Ford stated that Deckard wasn't a replicant, but Scott has said that he was on several occasions. Scenes that were restored in the "Final Cut" version of the film also hint more heavily toward him being a replicant as well.
As for Blade Runner being based on a book (or story, anyway), I've always thought that it was kind of a shitty adaptation (not a bad movie, but not a good adaptation of the story.) Then again, most Phillip K. Dick stories are adapted poorly from the source material.
#131
so this is a thread about blade runner?
#132
@DeafmuteBlade Runner
Ridley Scott has come out to say unequivocally that Deckard is a replicant. That's the whole point - that an android can feel empathy. Most recent statement of this - an interview with Scott last Friday, Kermode film review.
Regarding Prometheus
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Not sure what Carrot is talking about in terms potentially not being able to follow it: I've only seen the Alien films about once each, and not seen any build up to this, and it was fine really. I recognised the ship and the navigator/engineer and all that stuff, but then maybe I've missed a load of stuff that I don't realise, but I wouldn't mind that - stuff you only pick up on after a couple of viewings is sadly lacking in movies these days.
The movie itself is pretty solid (and some folks will know I'm a pretty hard-to-please critic of current movies). However, I do wish Hollywood would stop actively telling you the plot with laboured exposition and show it to you more. There's a lot of pseudo-philosophical one-liners and rambling about meeting your maker that just clogs up the film and makes the characters much less believable in my opinion - they're shiteing on about the reason for their creation when they should be either speechless or saying "holy fuck, aliens!!!"
Along those lines too, is the need to literally show everything clearly - in the original you only see the only a couple times before the end, and so it's terrifying. Nowadays everything is shown really clearly and this actually detracts from a film - often less is more, and though it leaves you tantalized that feeds the imagination more and is better in the long run.
The abortion is indeed a very weak link as mentioned by someone else - the scene itself, yeah, ok fine, whatever, but the fact that no-one bats an eyelid about it is just crazy - "woah, what the fuck happened to you? how come you're in your underwear and covered with blood?" Even David doesn't mention it like "hey, what the fuck did you do with our specimen?" Everyone is just like "Heya, shaw, you coming back to the pyramid/dome with us?" Not to mention running around after a caesarian is pretty fucking silly, but whatever on that bit.
However, I think both the biggest weakness and strength is David - his character is totally nailed by Fassbender and he treads a really great line between total dude and total bastard the whole time. The bad part though is that David-bit just figures way too much stuff out (or seems to) and is responsible for moving the plot on far too much for one character - he triggers the holo-video, he finds the acid goo, he takes a pod back, he deliberately spikes a drink (ostensibly unaware of what will happen, but he seems totally prepared for the results), he's totally unsurprised that she's hosting an alien in her, he can fly the ship, read the language, speak the language (though they do try to explain those two). It's not that those events should never have happened, I just think it could've been done slightly more plausibly with a bit less reliance on his unreadable motivations/understanding.
Odd question: why were all the maps on Earth pointing to this planet? "Go here and destroy yourself"? That made sense if it was the homeworld, but less sense as a death world - "I know, let's make a death planet, then we'll go to Earth and tell them to find us there, and when they have space travel they'll go and die!! Woot!" Sure, they did try to go themselves it would seem, but then, clearly they made it there as well, otherwise no carvings right? Hmm, have to see how that one pans out.
Overall though: good action/alien movie. Not really scary/horror enough, but a decent amount of scares/tension I reckon, and good gross-out money-shots. Theron was good, Fassbender was great, Rapace was good, ship crew were a bit weak. 3D was good, colour palette and design great (I loved the fact that it wasn't Alien Adventures in Space with loads of planet hopping or anything bloody ridiculous like that, it was just in one place). Dialogue a bit baggy and tired in places (as mentioned, less would've been more) but overall, yeah, thumbs up. Not a full thumbs up, pants down, but a big thumbs up. The most enjoyable movie I've seen in the cinema in a long while.
Don't know if this has been mentioned before, but good news for those who like it: if it does well (and it will) 2 and 3 will get made as well apparently.
Sequel to BladeRunner is being seriously considered by Scott too btw (*groan*) - as in he's sketching out plot ideas.
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#133
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Just saw it, was kinda expecting a car crash tbh but was rather good I thought, perfectly enjoyable, lots of horribleness well acted, great visuals, not too much sill faith guff that i was expecting. One annoying plothole was why Vicker's medical pod was apparently male only...COS THAT MAKES SENSE. None the less, pretty good fun, man goes to find god, god turns out to be a dick. Fassbender was predictably great.
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It was actually secretly Weyland's pod all along... :/
Octopus Rex:Bladerunner
That may be the whole point, but Philip K. Dick made that point without turning a human character into a android. It works much better having Deckard as human simply because the point is that a human wouldn't be able to tell. Changing Deckard into an android is changing the 'point' to be superfluous because suddenly the film is about Deckard being a human or not. Not to mention that Scott kind of fucked up if he wanted to make Deckard an android because Deckard knows people (and has known them for a long time) and they know him (and have known him for a long time) while the technology to give androids emotions has only been around for a short time. Unless you want to state that the police chief, and a bunch of other random police persons, are in on it and are just pretending that they have known Deckard for a while.
But that assertion is plainly ridiculous because suddenly you have to build a conspiracy of massive proportions all to run the same test that is being run with Rachael.
Not to mention that Deckard gets beat to shit with a lot more ease than an android would and feels pain where an android would just mimic it so it wouldn't interfere with what he was doing.
And finally, Scott has only stated that in his view Deckard is an android. Not that that's what he wanted to get across. His view, which departs rather drastically from Dick's work in which Deckard has a wife, etc. all of which would add more people into the conspiracy thus making it more complex and entirely less believable.
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#136
Ramrod
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I can get that more just that you'd have medical pods that can do everything just for one gender in the first place, just seemed silly...
#137
I fucking hate you brits. Here I was thinking I could go see Prometheus tonight or tomorrow and the fucking thing isn't released here until Friday.
You guys suck.
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@Loco - I'd not looked super closely at all that stuff, was just paraphrasing the director as he's pretty much the authority on the film he made as far as I'm concerned. The stuff about the Dick book, is fair enough to some extent, but then I think it's not hugely unreasonable to consider the book and film as separate works. If a key character died in a film, but not in the book, you could not say "yeah, but he's actually alive in the film, cos he is in the book" - no: they're dead in the film, alive in the book, because they're really separate works at the end of the day. Perhaps Scott's execution was poor or whatever, perhaps there's plot holes the size of a spaceship, who knows.
A director's opinion on their own film can actually spoil it sometimes. Donnie Darko is one example for me, the film was strange, unexplained and kind of beautiful, but the director's actual vision behind it is rather inane and jarring I think and made me think "....erm.....what?". So I guess to some extent I choose to live with my own interpretation of the film, because I prefer it. However, I am aware it's that, my own interpretation.
How does it feel to be on the other end of that stick.You guys suck.
Bout time we got a film first!
Garbage movie, totally overhyped
Or maybe it was decent, but just my expectations were abit to high due to the ridic hype and whatnot. I was just abit disapointed.
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Hrm, just saw Prometheus last night, not really sure what to think.
Seemed to have quite a few plot holes, and there are some questions that I'd like answered.
I guess I'm going to have to watch it again, in 2D next time I think.
Seems to be the go these days; watch it first time for the 3D visual splendour, then watch it again in 2D to try and figure out what the hell is going on (or maybe vice-versa?).
I know a movie has to gloss over a lot of things to keep the pace going and keep the tension or whatever, (and I guess cater to the goldfish-like attention-span of the masses) but I'd like a movie to be a bit more logical too. For instance;
So, you've just rocked up to a new planet, it's taken you two years in cryo-sleep to get there, how's about's you just chill for a bit and orbit that planet for a few days, or weeks? What's your rush all of a sudden? You land before what seems like completing a single orbit?
You give up the high-ground immediately?
How about do some scanning, map the whole planets' terrain, sow a constellation of satellites in orbit so later when you go down to the surface you have GPS and full radio coverage?
Look for some bad guys from orbit perhaps?
Naaaah! Just head on down, and hey! just by visual you spot where to land, in about 3 minutes. Sweet! That was lucky!
(Was that some attempt at some kinda Nazca Lines connection btw? Not really sure)
At least the Prometheus was a sweet looking ship, the hardware was shiny, I always do dig that.
I'm not saying I'm totally disappointed by the movie, I'll see it again and see what I think.
I was disappointed that the strongest character by far was a robot, how ironic.
The character development of every one else was pretty weak in my opinion. There was the guy with the Mohawk trying to be all bad-ass who I though was a soldier, but turns out to be a geologist and a total pussy. And what was with his scanning orb things, did they have anti-gravity or what? That seemed like pretty freaky advanced tech that I can't recall seeing again in any other Alien movie? They just forgot about that?
(Again, if you have such devices, why the hell wouldn't you send them in remotely first, 3D scan the whole pyramid complex, and THEN go in for a look-see? Knowing the full layout of the place, and oh, that spaceship looking thing over there...) And what about archaeological protocols? Or just some simple flares so you know the way back out?
The Captain of the ship seemed pretty hollow, his crew may as well have not been there at all.
I was suspecting that Theron was a robot too for most of the film, even after the silly and pointless thing with the Captain, which felt very tacked on (oh, we have Charlize in the movie? Hmm, she's hot, yeah we're going to have to have her have sex with someone, somehow...)
A bunch of other cast just didn't even make it onto my radar, as in, I can't even remember them or what they did, why they were there, the day after seeing the movie.
Even the main character felt pretty weak to me.
I guess in the Aliens universe, people never had the children's cartoons (or the basic common sense) that taught you to run perpendicularly sideways away from long, tall falling objects, not in line with the long tall falling objects direction of fall?
It was nice seeing the Old Man of Storr again though, I hiked up there years ago as part of a Highlands tour; magic.
EDIT* - I think the guy at the start was the sacrifice to introduce DNA to a sterile and lifeless planet Earth, the large ID4 style mothership that left him there must be their type of 'new planet survey ship'. He/it drank the DNA dissolver fluid and falls into the water over the falls, his DNA breaks down and then recombines, probably into the most basic form of primordial life, and so evolution begins on Earth. They are the Progenitors.
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Tir, agreed 100%. Surely it would be more work to go into a computer and delete half of the programming?
Tadamir:
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Yeah, that was entirely the point. That's why their DNA matches ours halfway through. I thought that was pretty clear immediately.
#143
You already did, with Avengers (and Battleship, though that doesn't count because it's stupid):/ Why are you getting all the interesting movies first this year?:/
How does it feel to be on the other end of that stick.
Bout time we got a film first!
#144
I would have given the movie 4/5 stars, then there was a biologist who said "Darwinism" and my rating dropped to 2 stars. Loved the movie plot, loved the atmosphere, its below alien but way above alien 3.
But Darwinism? In future? Really? Could you insult my intelligent anymore movie?
I liked how the scientists were dicks and less proffesional than the random mercs. Like they could be sloppy with their chat and their methadology because they were so far out of their comfort zones they didn't care.
It always amuses me how in films scientists are super efficient business like robots after a lifetime of lounging around on campus and mercs are all ludicrously off the rails and unpredictible despite having a lifetime of military discipline prior to that point.
#146
It might not sound like I enjoyed it but I really did
Well, clearly I'm on a lower level of 'easily shocked' than you guys, but by the Seven, that was grim as hell. The snake-thing killing the botanist and the geologist, ugh. The flicker of something in the dude's eye. The caesarean. The final giant octopus-alien-thing and the Engineer. By the cringe, it made me queasy.
For all that, I enjoyed the grand scope of it- particularly the opening views of magnificent landscapes. I was hoping for a bit more of that when we got to the alien planet, but oh well. If I had a criticism, it'd be regarding David. What the hell, man? Why introduce a lethal pathogen into whatshisname's drink, why be so cool about Shaw getting impregnated with an alien squid and why be all, "Yo dawg, whassup?" when she staggers in on your (ALIVE!) boss/father/creator covered in blood and half-naked? Come to think of it, why was EVERYONE so blasé about that?!? "Oh, her? I dunno man, I'm sure it's nothing, especially given that like five of our guys are already dead."
I found myself rooting for Charlize Theron and her quite frankly reasonable attitude of, "I will flame-thrower your ass if you try and bring this bullshit on my ship." Xaro Xo Doan had the right idea too- good grief, have these people never even seen a sci-fi or horror film? "There's a life-form near you. I'm sure it's a glitch." "We've not heard back from our two guys after that glitch. We'd better all go have a look." "People are dying in horrible ways- we'd better go back into the place where they died, because this old guy says so."
If it had been me, the first sign we'd done something that had disturbed something, I'd've taken off and got into orbit, regardless of how rubbish a film it would've been
#147
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I thought that was rather the point of david's character amoral, not so much evil so much as following orders and totally unaware of how awful he's been. Having said that agree everyone was surprisingly unfased by her survival, guess it was we are all evil bastards who know damn well you pose little threat and will want to come with us really. Still was a bit odd.
#148
That's actually explained rather well if you catch it.
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The medical pods were apparently prototypes that never entered mass production. I think the specific line was 'they only made 14 of these'. Basically, they were such a failure (probably due to cost, possibly for other reasons) that they never bothered to program the female half of the code.
Also: I found it pretty crazy that she gave birth to Cthulhu and nobody mentioned it ever afterwards.
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I just kinda got the impression they already knew about the cthulhoid. David did, he probably told the other people, and then when she stumbled in with staples everywhere it would be pretty easy to figure out what happened.
Okay, that's off topic, but I have to finally ask: What the fuck is the reason people have so much beef with Alien 3? Is it somehow inconsistent with the previous 2 movies or something? I watched all 3 Alien movies in quick succession, and I think it wasn't chronologically (Aliens first, then Alien 3, then the first one, IIRC), but I think #3 is a very good movie, a nice finale to the whole trilogy, and I found it VERY atmospheric. I actually think I like it more than the oh- so-revered 2nd movie, because it was more of a SciFi horror than an action movie, and I prefer horrors.
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