So apparently there's still time and Dark Souls for PC may not use GFWL.
So apparently there's still time and Dark Souls for PC may not use GFWL.
August release and the online platform is still up to debate? That doesn't bode well, no matter if it ends up with Steamworks or GfWL.
I'm quite interested in this, but the question of some mandatory third party service comes second to the actual quality of the port.
One step closer to the end of the decadent Eldar race.
[...] the reason we don’t like DRM solutions is because they punish the innocent and they have to jump through all these hoops. We don’t want to do that [...]
OMFG, so late to the party! I'm so happy for the PC edition! Gonna play the fuck out of this. I wonder if it's going to be comfortable with keyboard+mouse controls, or I should invest in a gamepad?
"All power demands sacrifice" - Sindri Myr
Originally Posted by MoeOriginally Posted by FriendlyFire
RPS reported that "The interface won’t be redone, keyboard and mouse support will be minimal so gamepads are heavily recommended..."
There's no way I can think of to make this game control like anything but shit with a kb/m.
My Interceptor is better than your Interceptor.
There goes all my interest. I'm not spending money on a gamepad for a single game that I might purchase with my own money (birthday/Christmas is another matter entirely) that I might not fully enjoy.
Then again, I get birthday gifts in November, so by then everyone else here will have gone into detail how good or bad it is. Still, minimal support doesn't bode well at all to me, just seems like a rush port job for a cash grab what with other things staying the same.
The advantage of the PC is flexibility. Honestly any gamer on a PC ought to have a good controller, it's not exactly expensive and there's a ton of games that work better with them.
If the only issue with the port is that m&kb support is flawed, then I'll have nothing to complain about.
I got nothing against gamepads in general, in fact some games would be easier with them in certain sections. Like anything involving a plane in Just Cause 2, but the games that do best with a gamepad over kb/m that actually interest me are so few that I can't bring myself to even ask for it as a gift.
Rush jobs don't add five levels of content.Still, minimal support doesn't bode well at all to me, just seems like a rush port job for a cash grab what with other things staying the same.
Seeing how I almost bought a PS3 for this game alone, a gamepad purchase won't be a problem. Any reccomendations of what I should choose?
Five levels of content tells me pretty much nothing. Now I know what Dark Souls is pretty much all about, namely enduring pain and suffering in new and imaginative ways, but I still view no change to the interface with absolutely minimal kb/m support on a game being ported to the PC to not be a good sign.
That's true, but, considering i already played and finished Dark Souls on my PS3, and knowing the kind of games that From Software makes, i can forgive them.
There's honestly nothing they could do that wouldn't be completely unfun to play or require changing how the entire game works to use the keyboard and mouse.Now I know what Dark Souls is pretty much all about, namely enduring pain and suffering in new and imaginative ways, but I still view no change to the interface with absolutely minimal kb/m support on a game being ported to the PC to not be a good sign.
Playing on a gamepad whilst using a mouse and a keyboard for all your life is a form of torture too. Still, for all the talk around PC flexibility and not having the option to choose is kind of lame. If it were a platformer then sure, having the gamepad be most optimal is good, but having the option to choose is better.
Like I said, the only reason I stick with kb/m is because the games that are best with a gamepad rarely interest me, so it boils down to my own current preference. I'll probably still end up getting it anyway eventually.
Awesome, that's an even bigger excuse to play through the game again as a different type of character.
Pft, fuck that, this is the important part:
Looking forward to this now more than ever.Namco Bandai has also confirmed that Dark Souls will also be available through Steam, following a petition signed by over 20,000 fans objecting to it coming to Games for Windows.
that does not necessarily mean that it will not have GfWL in addition to Steam
Quoth the raven.... Eat my shorts!
Read the second part. Besides, i for one don't really care if it's on GFWL, i just want it to sell well so that the inevitable sequel comes to PC too, it being on Steam pretty much guarantees that it will sell well.
considering the goal of the petition was to get rid of GfWL because it is a
"very poor choice in Digital Rights Management for Dark Souls. GFWL is unpopular, difficult to use, inconvenient, and can be very annoying for many users. Additionally, GFWL has very unreliable online support, affecting a key feature in Dark Souls. There is no anti-cheat system in GFWL, which will allow many players to hack their game, giving themselves ridiculous stats and weapons at a low Soul Level and invading new players. After anxiously awaiting a PC release for this fantastic game we were very disappointed and angry to hear Dark Souls will use Games for Windows Live."
I don't believe many people will not "care" if Dark Souls also has GfWL when on Steam.
anyway, sure hope they're going to clear up on that at E3
This must be a roller coaster of emotion for Nalkor but:
Edit:A lot of PC gamers had high hopes when Namco announced that the PC version of Dark Souls would hit Steam. Don’t get your hopes up though as it will not support Steamworks. In fact, From Software has officially revealed today that the game will use Games for Windows LIVE.
Oh man, the first comment on that page:
I hate EA so much for using this word so much in the last months that now everyone uses it.Maybe some thought should be put into this before acting like entitled gamers. I understand if you don't want to play a game with Windows Live on it, but don't dismiss it without thought. After all Dark Souls wasn't made with the PC in mind.
GODDAMN MOTHER FUCKING GFWL!
Ugh, this is rapidly killing my interest in the game. A straight up port in every damn way. Who the hell actually uses GFWL to play Multiplayer anyway? I still hate that Rocksteady has both Batman: Arkham games on it and not Steam. It's gonna be worse than Dead Rising 2, having to install a copy of GFWL with the game when I ALREADY HAVE IT INSTALLED ON MY FUCKING COMPUTER!
It's using steam works. At least, insofar as it will be available on steam.
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
So why have both GFWL and Steam? Is From Software that goddamn lazy? Even EA and ActiBlizz aren't -that- stupidly lazy.
It might not require GFWL, I'm looking at the store page and comparing it to the store page for Dead Rising 2 which does require GFWL
This is at the end of the Dead Rising 2 store page, but not for Dark Souls.Internet connection required for game activation.
To play online, activate an online account using a product key. Limit one account per key. One product key included. Game not playable until release date.
Games for Windows–LIVE System Requirements: Multiplayer play and other LIVE features included at no charge; games may offer additional downloads that may require additional fees. LIVE is not available in all countries, visit www.xbox.com/live/countries for more information.
You must accept the enclosed License Agreement.
They're digital delivery systems. They met the criteria for it, so they opted for it. "Laziness" has nothing to do with anything here.So why have both GFWL and Steam? Is From Software that goddamn lazy? Even EA and ActiBlizz aren't -that- stupidly lazy.
Also since you mentioned it, EA has games on GFWL and Steam too. Just look at Bulletstorm.
Last edited by Starblade; 1st Jun 12 at 9:54 PM.
Wow thanks, I had blocked that game from my memory and now the lack of a demo and all that jazz is flooding back to me now.
I'll be vulgar and say jizz, because that game was full of shit-dicks ****-fucks.
Dark Souls with GFWL crap? Well, that's one game off the 'want' list.
Welp, there you go. Blight town's issue is apparently "fixed" if you have a powerful PC, framerate is locked at 30fps, resolution can be changed but it just stretches the image, no 1080p or anything here.
I guess it's still an improvement over the console version though.
The game also has always online DRM and you can't even save if you lose your connection (it just drops you out of the game.)
If your FPS drops below 15 for 30 seconds, you also get booted back to the main menu.
The first one isn't any different from the console version, Dark Souls is an online game, there's no reason to play it offline(even though you can, at least on consoles), and Dark Souls autosaves like every single minute or something.
As for the FPS drop, yeah that's on the game manual on Steam, don't have the link though, but considering the PC doesn't appear to even have the slowdown in blight town i'd hope it's not an issue. Either way, unfortunately for me i already pre-ordered, so if it sucks i'll just have to deal with it.
On the bright side, i get the DLC early.
Where was the DRM bit mentioned?
Might still get this, but those reports are quite discouraging. Waiting for release impressions or a decent drop in retail price.
There's additional DLC besides the new content the PC port gets?On the bright side, i get the DLC early.
I think he meant GFWL. Dark Souls uses GFWL.
No, but the PC version gets the Prepare to Die content first, i think there's no release date for that DLC on the consoles yet.
Oh, you're right. It's just "this winter" some time.
Oh my, it's so rare nowadays to get a DLC for the PC earlier than the consoles get it, that's a plus. Also, what's this thing about slowdowns? If you lose too much FPS you get booted to the main menu? What? Why?
It's not DLC on the PC; that's built-in additional content (and as an extra bonus, the game is cheaper than usual too). They're just porting it over to the consoles.Oh my, it's so rare nowadays to get a DLC for the PC earlier than the consoles get it, that's a plus.
I saw the video of a game journalist showing off some of the new DLC and a couple boss fights. Dude had a terrible equipment load out and didn't even know what the fuck he was really doing.
It's just like I remember it!
Did the video show where in the game the new areas are or when you'd go through them? I'm still not sure if i want to do a new game + or just a new game; it depends on when and where they are really. If it's late game I'll just NG+.
So it's out, blight town was fixed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuMwZ5fIhTY and the resolution issue was fixed by the community in half an hour: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=488240 Game is apparently unplayable with keyboard and mouse, playable with gamepad. There's already people going around with hacks online(not that that doesn't happen in the console versions) and as for how to access the DLC, as you know From Software didn't say how, but the community appears to have found out by now, from what i gather you need to do this:
SpoilerKill Ornstein and Smough, go to the Duke's Archives, there you need to kill a random golem that will drop a broken pendant, then go save that girl that's trapped in a golem on the darkroot basin behind the hydra and then something will happen.
Also, Dark Souls is now selling more than Counter Strike on Steam, even thought it had been on the top 5 since preorders started, then moved to top 2 a few days ago, and now it's number 1. So i think it's fair to say that it's selling really well.
Part of me wants to buy it but another says. "you already have the PS3 version sitting to your left" =/ perhaps pick it up in a sale.
I got it. It's... hard...
What happens in Greenville, SC stays in Greenville, SC.
Well, i got it on PS3 and i got it on PC anyway. So you should too, just because.
Unless you've had problems with GFWL in the past.
Got to Blight town, and i can confirm that it runs like butter at a perfectly steady 30fps.
The resolution fix was updated.
And it seems the update brought back the lag in blight town.
Last edited by Shuma; 24th Aug 12 at 7:34 AM.
I apologize for the bump, but i remember people in this thread saying that they didn't get the story, or that they were annoyed that it wasn't conveyed properly, or something, but either way, i found these neat videos about the lore of Dark Souls, so some of you might be interested:
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