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Here's some things I hope we see that weren't in the original COH:
Elefant
Panzer III
Russian troops have the ability to ride on tanks
T-34
Josef Stalin tank
Option to upgrade German troops to Winter clothing (quicker movement and/or camouflage)
Rocket Launching trucks (Can't remember the name for these)
Guards units
Sturmpioneer units
Tellermines/magnetic mines
Kommisars
Any other ideas?
In terms of german vehicles, the Elefant and Pz III are pretty good guesses. Probably the Pz IV especially given that first screenshot had one in it? The Jagdpanther is possible since they were mostly used on the eastern front. It's too much to hope for a Jagdtiger I think. The Tiger also makes sense as a potential unit since I'm pretty sure it first saw service in Leningrad. It's hard to say, I'm quite rusty on my WW2 history. I'm sure lots of people are more versed and have a better idea of what to expect.
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Since I think i heard japan will be in this too so :
Marines
Japan infantry with Banzai charge.
Different Type 94 or type 1-5 possibly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanes...f_World_War_II
Kv tanks (possibly) the one in the picture has a similar turret..
Russian Infantry with ppsh 41 guns
Possibly categorize as, Conscripts, some have rifles some just with ammo, Shock troopers, with the ppsh 41s , and any special units like snipers etc.
I'm stretching it by saying amphibious vehicles.
I think doctrines should make a return, makes the game a bit more fun.
Russian basic infantry (conscript should be very cheap under powered units) that's my assumption. Along with anti tank rifles, Molotov cocktails and at nades.
Female snipers if we are lucky
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@Shaitan
Actually, Jagdpanthers were mostly used on the Western Front. Same with Jagdtigers. However, the Panzerjäger Tiger (P) Ferdinand/Elefant and Panzerjäger Hornisse/Nashorn would make the most sense.
#5
as if Relic would use stuff that made sense.
@Halftrack
A lot of the vehicles they had in COH1 were fairly accurate for the time period and front. A few may have been somewhat ahead of their time, like the Wirbelwind and Ostwind, but overall it wasn't bad. What they didn't do right is scale.
One of the PC Gamer screens did show an SU-76, I guess it's TD counterpart would be the Marder II, either with the Pak40 or a captured F22. Katyusha (that rocket launching truck you were talking about) seems likely since it's one of those iconic Soviet units, IS-2 tank also seems likely. Since it was a much longer period of time there are a lot of vehicles Relic could possibly include, there may also be more units per faction if they're thinking of including Panthers, Tigers, King Tigers, Panzer IV's from CoH1 plus as bunch of new units like Panzer III's, StuG III's, Sdkfz.231/232 or Panzer II (something new with a 20mm autocannon), Elefants, etc. It'll be interesting to see how much stuff they're willing to include.
#8
BM-13 Katyusha multiple rocket launcher or "Stalin's Organ" as the Germans nicknamed it.
#9
The SU-76 was in terms of concept closer to a StuG, it was an assault gun. Just not very well armoured or protected :P
As for some of the things. Highly dependant on what time-period multiplayer settles on. A Panzer III for example is pretty unlikely if it is the 1944-45 period. And sturmpioneers.. Well were pioneers :P They were assault troops.
@Rezail: Where on earth did you hear that ?
#10
It appears that two tanks are mentioned in the PC Gamer article - a small tank, and a "bigger tank", which is suggested to be a T34. another picture shows an open topped gun for the soviets. So, at least 3 soviet tanks are outted - speculate!
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#11
Well I've already identified the ones mentioned :P The T-34/76 Obr 1942 and the SU-76. A soviet assault gun. As for a smaller tank. Probably a T-60 or T-70
My money's on a T-70 for the small tank. Oh and IS-3 as a reward unitIt appears that two tanks are mentioned in the PC Gamer article - a small tank, and a "bigger tank"
#13
Hopefully a Hummel for a self propelled arty
What would be Russia light vehicle like the motorcycle the Germans have or the American jeep?
Soviet Union actually had its own jeeps, notably in the form of the GAZ-67
#16
They also had bikes. But they also used american jeeps and vehicles as well.
BA-64 as a scout vehicle would be nice and unique, somewhere between a Jeep and a SdKfz. 221.
Commisars nuff said
#19
Ah no, not "nuff said".
This is directed at everybody, not just eldritchweather... Please put more effort into your posts than simply listing one or two things. Whatever you would like to see in the game, add something about why you would like it and maybe even some links to information about it so others can read up on it and we might get some discussion going.
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Russian Female Snipers;
Considering it would be different models in the game, and a actual female voice over(for the first time in coh). It simply nice to have Russia famous female snipers in actions in coh 2. Considering they did make extensive use of them in ww2.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snipers...e_Soviet_Union
Possibly see Klavdiya Kalugina model would be grand!!!!
To me at least it give Russia some more unique tools and models in game that the other factions don't have, because the american sniper and the german sniper was just the same guy wearing different outfits. Now it be the same guy with a sex change and wearing a different outfit and voice. Maybe this time put them in squads of two though?
What i would truly like to see in the CoH2, is close combat. Maybe nothing as complex as DoW2 has, but some brutal melee because that was one of the most brutal aspects in the eastern front, especially on the battle of Stalingrad..Please put more effort into your posts than simply listing one or two things. Whatever you would like to see in the game, add something about why you would like it and maybe even some links to information about it so others can read up on it and we might get some discussion going.
Basics would be tie the shooting ability of the unit, or atleast force the focus to the assaulting squad. Pistols and submachine guns would be far more effective than rifles / machine guns / antitank weapons.
#22
isnt it the same with just rushing in with smg squads blasting at riflemen?
on another note, zombie squads on the eastern front?
Here's some more likely additions to the Soviet arsenal.
Shtrafniki, Penal infantry convicted of disciplinary crimes and given the most dangerous tasks. Over 400,000 men were assigned to Penal Battalions for real or imagined crimes, and used for the most dangerous assaults, mine clearing, and reconnaissance-in-force missions. They were armed and organized like regular infantry, but would likely be fearless since the only quick way out is to suffer a serious injury.
Ford GPA Jeep. The US made it for amphibious landings, but it couldn't handle ocean tides. They shipped a lot to the Soviets, who found it perfect for river crossings, and they used them for scouting and infiltration units.
ZSU-17, the Lend Lease version of the M16 MGMC (the CoH1 Quad half-track), and the only armoured anti-aircraft gun the Soviets ever used in large numbers.
Truck-borne DShK anti-aircraft machine-guns. Unarmoured and exposed, so probably easily killed, but still capable of knocking out aircraft if used in groups.
BA-64 armoured car, their standard light armoured car that was used through-out the war. It's only armament is a light machine-gun or anti-tank rifle (Probably the latter would be an upgrade).
45mm obr 1937 anti-tank gun, their standard light anti-tank gun that was available through-out the war. Less firepower than the PaK38, but easier to push around and load.
57mm ZIS-2 anti-tank gun, more powerful than the US M1 57mm or German PaK38, but still capable of being pushed around.
76mm ZIS-3 field gun, used for both artillery and anti-tank use. Roughly as effective as the PaK38 for anti-tank use, but quite a bit weaker than the M2A1 105mm for artillery use. Would make for a nice flexible weapon.
122m obr 1938 howitzer, their standard medium artillery piece. Would probably be immobile, but more powerful than the M2A1 105mm.
82mm BM-41 medium mortar, their standard mortar team. Same effectiveness as the US 81mm and German 81mm.
120mm PM-38 heavy mortar, another standard. The Germans copied this weapon because it was so effective, designating their copy the 12cm sGrW42. Would be a lot slower to move around than the 82mm, probably requiring it's own custom animations.
Maxim heavy machine-gun, a wheeled machine-gun that could be pushed or picked up by its crew. Water-cooled, so it could sustain fire for a very long time.
PTRD anti-tank rifle, a design that proved obsolete against tanks after 1942, but was still kept in use against lighter vehicles. Anti-tank grenades and captured panzerfausts were the only other anti-tank weaponry in the hands of the infantry.
Razvedki reconnaissance troops were often the most skilled infantry, and were the only ones that got armoured transports. Since the Soviets never made their own armoured half-track, they used a combination of British lend-lease Universal Carriers, captured Sd Kfz 251/1 half-tracks, American lend-lease M3A1 armoured cars, and modified BA-10M armoured cars.
Spetsnaz teams were hand-picked men from various units, assigned to a special assignment and then returned to their original unit once it was done. They were usually the best of the Razvedki reconnaissance units.
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My 5 cents, only about Soviets, as damn usual in such cases. Actually, I won't propose anything newer to compare with my exercises from January, 2008 - you can read them here (first post with all spoilers only)
The only remark, that this list is good only for the late (1944 - 1945) period of the Great Patriotic War (that's how we, ex-Soviets, call our part of the WWII). List for early (summer 1941- end of 1942) and medium (beginning 1943 - spring 1944) periods should be different.
I haven't seen it mentioned, but it would definitely make sense to add the feature of storming a tank and dropping a grenade down the turret as an incentive to keep infantry close. Possibly that grenade clears out tank (like a bunker) that can then the tank capturable.
Not really, tank hatches locked from the inside.
However detonating a grenade on the top deck of a tank's engine did sometimes get shrapnel into it. Blowing off track links with a grenade jammed into a wheel could also immobilize one. So there is room for ways in which infantry can storm a tank.
That's not mentioning the special, anti-tank, hand grenades, owned by both Wehrmacht and RKKA (Raboche-Krestyanskaya Krasnaya Armiya, the Workers' and Peasants' Red Army, as the Soviet Army was initially named) - PWM1 and RPG40, RPG41, RKG43, RKG6 respectively.Originally Posted by Sturmhaubitze
I've seen the "Saving the Private Ryan" as well, but alas, in stark reality it's impossible, for (as Sturmhaubitze already mentioned) tank hatches are VERY firmly locked from inside.
Skipped over anti-tank weapons, since it seemed like Colt was aiming for less specialized ways to take out tanks. Certainly anti-tank grenades made it a lot more feasible, though still dangerous.
Molotov Cocktails also had some effect, when they landed on the engine deck or were able to spread smoke into the crew compartment. Fooling the crew into thinking their tank was on fire often led to them bailing out in a hurry. Flamethrowers similarly had the same effect, on both engines and flushing out the crew if they didn't know where the fire was coming from.
Really, man talk about the tech leap from then to here..Molotov Cocktails also had some effect, when they landed on the engine deck or were able to spread smoke into the crew compartment.
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