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The voice that turned Abaddon into the Destroyer was Lilith, and no one revolted against Samael, Samael revolted against the Destroyer and was imprisoned for it.
As for the ending cutscene in Darksiders II, the dark prince is pissed because apparently Lilith had promised him an army of nephilim, but Death sacrificed them to bring back humanity.
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Hm, I'll have to agree that the story was rather weak. The only real plot development is that apparently the Lucifer guy is still around and Samael did not, in fact, take over hell at the end of Darksiders 1 as it was implied; and that humanity is back. The corruption plot wasn't that bad, I suppose, but it was executed too impersonally. The overall connection to the first Darksiders was reduced too much to references/cameos.
Also, didn't they promise that we would see the other 2 horsemen in this game?
I have strong suspicion that a good deal of the plot was simply put on the chopping block out of time constraints.The game is more of a prequel than a "sidequel" like they said it would because it pretty much happens entirely between Darksiders tutorial and the first mission.
Oh, also, what's with the massive retcon? Nephalem went from being older than Angels/Demons to being hybrids of Angels/Demons? Another retcon, it seems that Archon was the one who opened the Well of Souls for Abaddon, not Azrael as it was pretty clearly said in the first game?
Also, DS1 Power Creep has nothing on this game's power creep. I pretty much won the final fight in 4 harbinger dash spells with no other attacks. It was kind of funny.
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When was that implied? And Samael seems to be waiting for something, at least his dialog implies that the Samael we meet in Darksiders II, is the Samael War helped and he traveled back in time to do... Something?Samael did not, in fact, take over hell at the end of Darksiders 1 as it was implied
And yeah those 2 retcons came out of nowhere and for no good reason apparently.
#154
Quick question:
Is there a reward for finishing the first Darksiders before playing the second?
E=mc^(OMG)/wtf
You get a set of shoulder armor if you've played the first one and you get a scythe for completing it. Beware though, the game doesn't check for savefiles to see if you've completed the first one, but rather looks for achievements/trophies.
Make no mistake. War is coming. With all it's glory, and all it's horror...
#156
Yes Afoxi, the "Chaos Fang", which is extremely nice for the first few levels. Even after it starts to weaken, you can keep it equipped for the +20% crit/+200% crit damage and use gauntlets as a secondary weapon to make good use of the bonuses.
I have completely Darksiders 2, so prepare for judgement.
I loved the game. It's meaty, delicious, and while the story is weak, I don't play darksiders for the indepth story telling others seem to expect. I like the story, and the premise, but other than that I don't truely care.
The RPG, platforming, and combat elements have to be the finest blend of design I've ever seen. The Art and Music both deserve massive thumbs up too, as the game looks and sounds amazing. Constructs are very cool, the undead lords are also cool, and the game got a massive facelift over the first one.
I was very excited for the loot system, but its been pretty cruel to me - I've gotten very little in terms of useful drops, and spent most of the game in life regenerating green armour because it was simply the best option to let me regain HP between fights. I later found that Achidna's fangs trigger on critical hits, so I've been making good use of that.
Apocalyptic difficulty was un-necessarily frustrating at times too. Some of the fights are positioned in the worst possible places, and the camera makes some of them absolutely horrific to fight - you'll end up dying to the whims of the camera and the difficulty getting it to dodge in the right direction (when locked on) than anything else. Enemies are merciless and hit for huge chunks of HP until you are powered up.
I will say, agreed on the power creep. Yet again I've gotten to the end of the game, and I am shredding everything with Dodge+Attack.
I've been playing M+K and I've had a blast. The controls at least work very well, and it feels tight and flows well. Getting some of the spells out is a bit tricky however, and Steam interface likes to pop up when your locked on and trying to cast flock at something. I ended up respeccing to Harbringer - casting doesn't seem to cut the mustard.
The graphics were nowhere near as bad as some people were lauding. The worst areas are the items menu (dead looks like a sprite) and ingame shadows (which I didn't pay much attention to or notice until later in the game, when it started to annoy me a little), but otherwise the game does look lush and beautiful, and doesn't have trouble running.
Finally, can I say that I REALLY HATE collectables. Thank god there isn't an achievement for 100 boatman coins, or a secondary quest. Book of the dead, stone bites and relics are MORE than enough.
Darksiders 2 is a solid 9/10, but as above there are enough criticisms to knock that last point off, and I've heard a lot of stories of drop dead bugs. Personally, I found the game to be one of the best releases of the year - it was good enough to knock ME3 off my top spot. The game sucked me in far more.
Also, the most frustrating part is indeed mentioned above. The exclusion of strife and fury (to the point where there is only one mention, at the start of the game, after you receive redemption) is ridiculous. They are key characters to the universe - to War and Death. I mean, Death is acting to clear his brother - where are fury and strife? what are they doing? Why are they ignored so much? Even in DS1 you at least got abilities that alluded to their skills/areas of expertise. In this game they might as well have not existed. I understand the angle Vigil are taking - the slowly, softly approach. I daresay that Strife and Fury are still not fleshed out enough in universe to even make an appearance. Perhaps, with DLC, things will improve.. but I doubt it somehow. The DLC seems fixated on adding new areas/additional gameplay rather than expanding or exploring background or lore - however, that is an assumption given how no details have yet been released.
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The ending, as others have also mentioned, is weak. The final boss is easy to kill compared to Samael, who would rip you apart in a few hits in second stage. Blackstone felt a little rushed, in a world that could of been much bigger. Shuma is right in saying that he felt more like a boss than Absalom did.
Also, god damnit Vigil put more description in for special abilities. I feel like I'm guessing my way through legendaries, and can't weigh them against each other, or determine in the increase in damage is worth the loss of an item.
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Strife and Fury will get their own game(unless THQ dies), and i'm pretty sure that Vigil has made that pretty clear, so it probably would be wise to stop expecting them to show up outside of their respective games or the 5th game with all 4 of them. Anyway, this game has been pretty fun, and if Dark Souls hadn't released i'd still be playing it, but i do have problems with it.
Biggest problem i have with the game right now is the lack of a New game++, and New Game+++, and New Game++++, etc, etc. Considering they want to continue supporting the game with mountains of DLC, i hope in the future we get the option to keep playing New Games+ until the end of eternity.
Combos are still too simplistic. Gib moar combos, more complicated combos and lengthier combos.
Last 2 worlds are pathetically small and disappointing and it doesn't sound like the DLC is going to fix that, at least considering the names of the DLC it sounds like only one of them would do something for one of those worlds. Maybe.
Graphics ARE ass, and now that a lot of people seem to have gotten through the 4th world i can post this:
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Samael is just an example since he's on both games, but his textures in the first game look horrible compared to how he looked in the first game, but he's not the only one, another example that comes to mind are the angels, or the ghost skeleton women things with 2 swords. Or the Makers, compare them to Ulthane, etc, etc.
And finally, how i wish the description of items actually meant something, at one point in the game you get a weapon that says it does ice and fire damage... Except it doesn't, it doesn't do either one of them.
Some of those are nitpicking, but the lack of New Game++, the simplistic combat(it's "too" simplistic imo), and the 2 last worlds being the smallest are big problems imo.
#158
Wait, so what happens at the end of new game+? You can't start again?
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I personally believed that Samael was the best example of an improvement - he looks far less blocky, even if the texture is worse. I am by no means art nazi. Hell, I can't tell the difference between AA off and AA on in some games, but it was just my personal opinion. If your looking at the textures that much, I'd argue your too close to the screen.
I agree its a fatal flaw for a PC game however (where you sit very close) but it still didn't bother me as much as my two aforementioned issues.
Nope, once you finish New Game+ you're not giving an option to play New Game++, the game just ends and if you load the save file again it puts you right before the last boss.Wait, so what happens at the end of new game+? You can't start again?
As for your spoiler, you're insane and the game constantly shoves the camera on character's faces, so it's hardly a problem of anyone being "too close" to the screen.
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Don't remember the exact position (might have even been in the background materials), but the whole reason the Destroyer became leader of hell in the first game was because Lucifer somehow fell out of power and Samael was next in line. It would be logical that with the two biggest bad guys out of the picture, Samael is on the top now.When was that implied? And Samael seems to be waiting for something, at least his dialog implies that the Samael we meet in Darksiders II, is the Samael War helped and he traveled back in time to do... Something?
Oh, also, I am 95% certain that Strife is the next Horseman we will see. Perhaps we'll get a damn explanation as to why he keeps losing his guns all over the place.
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Still on my first playthrough. Just took out The Wailing Host in the Dead City. It was easier than a lot of the fights leading up to it. When it was clear I was facing a "bad@ss" (read: big mutha effer), I wondered how many times I'd die. But then the skellies came along; I laughed to myself and said "thanks!" out loud. I plowed into them all with the Arachnid gauntlets and just attackhealed until it was all over.
Then my Windows 360 controller shorted out. Gotta fetch some electronics kit to fix it before I can play on. Driving into a college town during the weekend before classes start...it'll be like a real life h*ll.
Should be worth it.
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Man, i'm going to kill someone if Strife's game is a shooter.
Why? It would only be fitting. We're talking RPG/shooter, right? That'd be interesting in this setting.
Because it sounds fucking boring compared to the first 2 games, and because i think it would be more interesting for someone to make a "zelda" game where the main character uses ranged weapons. Instead of a shooter game that happens to be like Zelda.
I remain hopeful since Vigil has said that THQ hasn't given the green light for a Darksiders III, so those positions probably aren't for a Darksiders game.
Well, if THQ doesn't go down, I think Strife would actually make a really cool game. Imagine a mix between Space Marine's shooting elements and Darksiders' melee combat and dungeon crawling? Sounds like a winning combination to me =).
#166
http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/art...vers-released/
May help those nVidia users with regards to making Darksiders II look nicer. Can't test it myself, unfortunately.
I am an Iron Warrior! Iron Within, Iron Without!
And that's the reason I never visit Metacritic and that site should probably die a painful and horrible death.
Methinks ANSHA ABDUL is the russian version of allah ackbar seeing how its said so many times in that link. hahahaha.
#170
Hmmm, terrorist threats.......has oil.......has nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons........whelp, looks like we're invading Russia.
Argul's Tomb DLC came out (and I believe one adding a bunch of sidequests did as well) on the... 26th-ish.
Argul's tomb is divided into 3 parts: 2 dungeons and a sidequest. The dungeons are actually fairly challenging in terms of puzzle solving - involves a lot of use of the voidwalker and deathgrip. You also get all the items necessary to complete the dungeons even if you're not that far in the normal campaign (or new game+). The dungeons themselves are all fairly short, though.
I would recommend you don't buy it, though. It costs $7 for what amounts to a little over an hour of gameplay. If you preordered you probably have the dlc already, but otherwise the price seems too steep for what you're getting. The most enjoyable part was the side quest - a cave where you get an apparently new weapon. I believe it's called the hellgore. It's basically an explosive spear launcher. I say "apparently new" because I was using one in the main campaign - the tooltips for it were fucked up, but it was still perfectly usable.
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