@Kirjava: One mustn't forget that David Mitchell confusingly shares a name with the person who wrote this, which has been adapted into a movie recently.
(Yes, I did only find out that it was 2 different people when writing this post. What of it?)
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@Kirjava: One mustn't forget that David Mitchell confusingly shares a name with the person who wrote this, which has been adapted into a movie recently.
(Yes, I did only find out that it was 2 different people when writing this post. What of it?)
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Dinosaurs in Space was decent but not fantastic. A few of the plot points felt a little contrived.Contrivances
The one that bugs me the most is the ship's control system. Good thing Rory's dad randomly got picked up, huh? But why would you design such a system in the first place? You need to crew your ship with near relatives so that if an accident or an attack happens you're not totally disabled.
As for the endingEnding
It was a bit weird seeing the Doctor intentionally set missiles after Solomon, when in previous situations he's gone out of his way not to kill baddies except as a last resort. Makes me wonder if Solomon didn't end up dying due to some unseen escape mechanism and will return later.
#53
Rex: As far as the ship design goes, I'm pretty sure that Sirulians are brood-based; an entire brood would be near relatives because they all came from the same clutch of eggs. Basing technology around genetic markers like that would ensure that anyone in the brood could use it but invaders from other broods wouldn't be able to. (Of course I could be wrong about that, but I think it's been established somewhere that each group of Sirulians is related.)
I don't find Mitchell funny in the slightest.
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#55
I'm exceptionally glad you felt the need to share that.
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Naww, he was just confessing his sins so we can absolve him of them.
@John: Your explanation helps a little, but the design is still pretty strange. It doesn't lock to a specific species or brood, so any two related beings can pilot the ship. If another brood invaded, they'd have no trouble with the controls since they would also have at least two or more related members. Similarly, if Solomon had been running a family business he'd have had no trouble.
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It was pretty surprising to see the Doctor wilfully send Solomon off to his death with nary a blink though. I was expecting the usual deus ex machina to take it out of his hands.
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#59
Rex: Hey, I never said it was a GOOD explanation.
Koozer: The Doctor generally has three modes when there's imminent danger to a villain:
1) I don't like you, but you don't have to die like this... come with me if you want to live.
2) I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you.
3) I am become Genocide, destroyer of all you hold dear.
Given the cruelty that Solomon exhibited (and lorded over the Doctor), I didn't find it that surprising that he ended up in category 2. By the time he got done explaining how he'd killed all of the original inhabitants of the ship his fate was likely sealed; there's only so much murder you can throw in the face of the Oncoming Storm and expect NOT to be abandoned to some fate exactly identical to death.
The Problem as I see it, I don't buy Smith being that kind of doctor, it just doesn't appear right. Ecclestone on tge other hand was perfect for this kind of action, you could feel the old anger in him and that he won't hesitate to kill if necessary (and I am questioning that it was necessary in this case anyway). it simply didn't feel "right" at least for me
Part of the ninth and tenth Doctor arcs was him becoming less prone to violent acts of vengeance as a result of Rose's influence, so yeah it would be more in character for the ninth Doctor. The homicidal/genocidal occurrences usually are directed toward some enemy he has had past dealings with such as the Daleks as well, not someone he's just met. And this time seems pretty clearly an attempt at homicide, as he could have let Solomon go and just jettisoned the signaling device into space.
#62
Bear in mind that this Doctor is the one who's been referred to as "Warrior", and he also blew up an entire Cyber Fleet in A Good Man Goes To War to prove a point. He engineered it so that the human race would wipe the Silence out, or at least inflict massive casualties on them. Last episode he blew up a room full of Daleks. "Good men don't need rules- today is not the day to find out why I have so many." By giving the homing signal to Solomon (who had delighted in confessing to genocide, killed an innocent Triceratops, tried to kill the Doctor, Rory and his dad and then implied he was going to rape Nefertitti), he gave him the option of saving himself. Granted, he would have to have thought very quickly, but it didn't rub me the wrong way at all.
I think the fact he kept trying posses the doctor off. It's like come on you're still trying to be a sick? Honestly?
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It didn't seem out of character for The Doctor to me, he's got a very clear line between what he considers "villain but could be saved" and "Villain, totally irredeemable". Solomon obviously crossed way over that line. Waking the crew a few at a time and spacing them was pretty horrific in itself, but he showed not the slightest hint all episode that he considered anything other than himself to be any more than a commodity to be used, sold or thrown away. He wasn't even doing it all for some belief or cause, just pure greed.
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Soooo. That was better.
Liking the horse banter, and the meta-Doctor bit was fantastic.
Rather excellent episode. Didn't expect all the seriousness, but it was very welcome.
#68
That was excellent.Episode
Nice misdirection at the start re: the Doctor, "His name is Susan, and he wants you to respect his life choices!" and the Cyborg was great. The alien doctor character too was brilliant, emphasising the multi-layered nature of people and presenting the Doctor with a genuinely difficult decision about a person. The Doctor's comeback about not getting to choose when justice catches up with you was good too. Plus the Doctor's actions last episode are put in a context of him losing touch with his good side when he travels alone. Ben Browder summed it up nicely with his last words: "You're both good men... you just forget sometimes."
Ooh, the invasion of the little black boxes.
I wonder if the Shakri will appear again, seemed a bit underdeveloped. Other than that, nice episode.
EDIT: Also greatly enjoyed Brian Cox cameo.
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A bored doctor, brilliant! ^^ Other than than I feel like they've spent too much time sitting around (litterally...) and the Shakri got revealed too late so the end felt imo a bit rushed.
I really enjoyed the episode, but the plot made no sense at all. Pretty much the reaction I had to watching the movie "Signs" :P
Why would interdimensional aliens, that clearly know all about humans, need to spread data-gathering cubes all over the planet for months, just to discover that inducing heart attacks would be a good way to kill people? How could they know so much about humanity's future colonisation of the galaxy, without having some basic understanding of human anatomy? And you'd think they could just destroy Earth, or something like that. It's obvious that the writer used the cubes angle purely to be strange and mysterious, without thinking of a good explanation for why it was necessary.
Worse still, the idea that one third of the Earth's population suffered cardiac arrest, with all of them being easily revived minutes later, makes even less sense. I suppose you could assume that alien technology somehow repairs the brain and organ damage that would result from the heart being stopped for a prolonged period. But that doesn't account for all of the horrendous accidents that would be caused by one third of the population falling unconscious. Maybe the Doctor can restart the heart of an airline pilot with a cube in his pocket, but that doesn't help so much if the plane has already crashed into the sea. Many, many people would have died even if they were unaffected by the cubes.
#72
Well that was a great sendoff to Amy and Rory, though one thing didn't happen that I expected.
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I really expected them to end up in 1969 Manhattan and therefore raise River for some of her early life.
Hats off to Moffat for making Angels even fucking freakier with
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Oh yeah, let's make the tiny cherub statues into scuttley, giggley mini-angels. That's not at all fucking terrifying, not at all
And yes, I had not expected that. I always forget to count the episodes.
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AMY, RORY! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! JUST GET BACK IN THE TARDIS, JUST GET BACK IN THE TARDIS!
I was almost screaming at my TV, so awesome.
about the last episode
Good send off. I will miss them both a lot, they did have a very good run though. I think they may have been my favorite companions. They worked very well together, Amy was a much better character once Rory become permanent on the Tardis.
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#75
Gosh.
Well.
So that's that then.
Hopefully after next years series half and Xmas special we go back to a full series in 2014.
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Really great episode, didn't really help my bad mood, but you can't have it all I suppose
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That was a great episode.
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And god damn was it sad by the end.. the worst part was, i even knew it was coming the entire season (them dying from the angels) and still it was unexpected. when they arrived back in the graveyard, i was like :o maybe i was wrong and expected the worse from their interviews!and then.. rory dies... and then amy... and with that sadness struck! And that 'afterwords' thing at the end just put the icing on the cake. His next companion has some very large shoes to fill
And is it confirmed that the second half of the season is also short?? I figured they only had a few episodes at the start to allow the new companion some more airtime during the season.
#79
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Amy: "What, do you think you'll come back to life?"
Rory: "Don't I always?"
So true
Also: I'm not sure his next companion can possibly fill the shoes of his in-laws. Probably best to have them go their own way, rather than even make the attempt.
What's Rory's Dad going to have to say about all this or will that be simply swept under the carpet?
Great episode, also....a very final way of saying goodbye for Amy and Rory.
I dont think its fair to start saying that the next companion needs to really step up to the plate. Everyone was saying that when Tennant passed the torch to Smith and that's turned out a lot better than people thought.
Be interesting how the new companion is going to be worked into this, considering the events in the Dalek Asylum. And please, for the love of God, do something about River bleeding Song. If I hear one more "sweety" or "my love" I think I will literally scream.
#81
Re: Rory's dad.
There's two ways to handle it really:
1. Both Amy and Rory have Doctor-modified cellphones (assuming they can keep charging them) which would allow them to call him.'
2. Like in Blink, they could send him a letter to explain what happened and that they are happy.
In regards to River, I think we're at or very close to the end of her travels with the Doctor (from her P.O.V. at least) since she's a professor now and pardoned from prison. It won't be long before her fateful journey to the library.
#82
As a whole, I mostly liked the episode. I honestly wasn't sure if I would after the beginning of it, but once it got into the meat of the thing I found it pretty enjoyable. It's kind of odd, though, as I got to where I hated Dalek episodes while RTD was showrunner and now that Moffet is running the show I enjoy Dalek episodes but dislike the Angels more each time they make an appearance. The ending (actually, both Rory's plan to fix things and the ending) made up for it, though. And for a moment I thought that the Doctor was going toSpoiler
snap and show the Angel that took Rory and Amy exactly why you don't hurt those that the Doctor loves; once Amy was gone I fully expected that Angel to wind up in pieces. Ah, well.
A few things bothered me about the episode, such as the issue with Rory's dad (as Mokino said, there are ways to handle it but it seems like they went through a lot of effort to make him part of the story this season and then there wasn't even a mention of him at the end) andSpoiler
the Doctor making a big deal out of not being able to go back to 1938 if Amy went back after Rory. While he couldn't go back to 1938, there were 74 years between then and now that he could travel to. Even if Rory's death was a fixed point, the Doctor could have gone back to the 40's, picked them up for adventures and then dropped them off again to settle into their lives when they were finally ready to retire.
By the end of the RTD/Tennant era I was fairly ready for Ten to go. I don't feel that way about Eleven, but the more Moffat episodes I watch (especially the River Song/Weeping Angels episodes) the less interested I find myself in Doctor Who in general. Maybe I just need to dive into some Classic Who on Netflix (where they don't emphasize it quite so much when people say "Doctor who?"
#83
An issue I've had with Smith's run is that Amy really was the star of the show. Things tended to revolve around her with the Doctor being more of a plot device in a lot of episodes. I'm hoping with Amy gone that Smith really gets the chance to take centre stage.
#84
Yeah, I think that Amy stayed a bit too long. I liked her a lot more than Rose and I liked Amy and Rory together more than Amy solo, but the Doctor himself seems to have grown stagnant. Maybe that's part of my problem with the more recent episodes... too much of the suspense and the hints of the Doctor's darkness from earlier episodes (the Dream Lord, everyone teaming up to lock him away in the Pandorica, etc.) have been replaced with a generic zany Doctor.
#85
Really? The whole "Silence are a religious organisation dedicated to stopping the Doctor" and "creating River Song Timelord Assassin out of fear of Doctor Who" and the whole going back into the shadows thing and A Town Called Mercy weren't enough of a carry-on of that theme for you?
#86
Not to mention his treatment of Solomon. He flat out murdered someone.
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Not to mention that he might have screwed up time over Manhattan in 1938, but there was nothing stopping them from hopping on a bus to Chicago and meeting him there. I appreciate that they wanted to completely remove Amy without any chance of her re-appearing but in a nice way, but their end really is full of holes.the Doctor making a big deal out of not being able to go back to 1938 if Amy went back after Rory. While he couldn't go back to 1938, there were 74 years between then and now that he could travel to. Even if Rory's death was a fixed point, the Doctor could have gone back to the 40's, picked them up for adventures and then dropped them off again to settle into their lives when they were finally ready to retire.
The only thing I can get from it is that the Ponds were looking for a way to break from the Doctor gracefully and the Angels provided one.
The reason he cant visit them might be down to being locked out, or because taking them with him and something happening to one of them would trigger a paradox.
#89
It's all about the paradox. He simply cannot risk breaking things. Plus, Amy and Rory have obviously used the situation for a clean break with the Doctor. They don't want to continue their adventures with him.
#90
I think Amy was scared mostly at what River said "Don't let him see the ending". The Angels gave them away to not only save themselves, but also save the doctor from the heartache of watching either one of them die.
I sometimes wonder just how far in advance the writers of this show know how certain things will work out.
I've just watched Silence in the Library and Forest of the Dead and it's strange watching these two episodes now, 4 years later. Back then...the episodes didnt mean that much, not that I didn't enjoy them, but now you can watch the episodes from River Songs perspective.
I can only assume that when the show is back on, the season will be building towards these two episodes. It's an excellent way that ties Tennant and Smith together. I guess it's not really spoilerish but there is something he ends up keeping all this time, from the Library episode right up to now, knowing it will go back in time again.
vis a vis amy/rory.
Bear in mind off was originally going to send them off at the season finale, but Karen Gilligan decided she wanted to leave early so whilst this won't be a rush job as such, it's probably not anything carefully planned out to the usual degree.
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#93
Plot hole!
Minor (but obvious) plot hole with the cube episode (just watched Power of Three). People at the end laid out on the Shakri ship.
The ship went boom and they weren't saved or even noticed/mourned by the Three. Whups.
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Unless there's a continuity error and it shows the people when they are escaping, you missed the bit where they were removing the people from the shp.
The unfilmed scene closing the arc with rory's dad:
I dont know why they wouldnt have included this into the episode cause its quite good : /
Hmm, they should have filmed it - would have made the episode so much better.
#97
Would have made he episode ever sadder
I never really understood why in the last episode the Dr couldn't just go back in time and retrieve Amy and Rory. The only thing that was technically "set" was where they were buried and what was carved on the stone.
Also, River could have just escaped the angel by letting it send her back, she had a time vortex thingy so she was hardly at risk. I guess that would have caused a paradox, but the Dr didn't seem to think it would (?).
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#99
Basically, once a paradox has been created (IE: What Rory and Amy did) you can't go back into it because the timelines aren't synced correctly; so going back could effectively destroy time around the paradox. So, you can't paradox a paradox.
Plus both actors wanted to quit so you really can't go back and change it :P
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