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    To be fair* CSI/NCIS** utterly butcher science/forensics/basic computer stuff in the name of entertainment on a weekly basis and they get away with it. I think it shows that many people watch TV/films with their brains firmly in neutral/off mode and thus many things that even basic logic would dictate do not work - do. They can also butcher lots of stuff because the average person has no idea how to hack so if the TV/film says you type like a nutter for 5 seconds and then hack a phone via a laptop using a GUI routed through SecondLife that the criminal happens to be playing and thus through their phone allow you to back-track their location via the recorded GPS of the signal etc..... It works in TV land.

    * and not to defend but to explain - and yes when I spot these problems they glare like mad at me and I'm no science wizard
    **of which the original core series I will admit to liking and watching - purely as entertainment and mostly because of the actors/characters and their dynamic

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    Hey, I love NCIS. Even New Orleans is good because of the time-travelling dude who's in charge. He's even been on the Enterprise!
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    Gorbles - I do like it, even if they do some cringe-worthy stuff (two people typing on a keyboard at the same time to counter a live-hacking); like I said its all about the characters, the science might as well be magic*

    *NCIS FANTASY edition - now we need that! Arch-Mage Ducky; Apprentice Necromancer Mr. Palmer; Rouge Paladin DiNozzo; Vampire Abby; Grizzled War Veteran Gibbs and I've run out of ideas but that kinda theme! It should be a thing especially as it seems more and more of the core original cast are leaving the series as it grows older.
    Sometimes its nice to see old faces move on and new ones come in; other times I feel that when a character core becomes the main focus of a series it gets like New Tricks. You can only swap out so many before the dynamic is lost and the "magic" can wither and falter. Although sometimes its a case of speed, you can very slowly swap in and out characters, especially if you've a handful that last out long term; but if its all too fast then it loses the magic (If I recall right by the end of the last season of New Tricks I think there was only one of the original core characters left)

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    I think it shows that many people watch TV/films with their brains firmly in neutral/off mode and thus many things that even basic logic would dictate do not work - do.
    I wish it were just that people turn their brains off for entertainment... But I've heard too many people repeat utter bullshit from movies, TV, or novels, with 100% belief that it was in fact true, and does in fact work that way in real life.

    The reality is that the masses are just dumb.
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    ^ The Flash and Green Arrow TV shows suffer from the same garbage "tech/hacking" plot devices and as much as I enjoy the shows, it does get irritating every time someone hacks open a door, adjusts climate control, unclogs the plumbing or what have you, as if every door everywhere is connected to the grid and is installed with magnetic-release bolts instead of a padlock. My personal favorite is when they, some how, magically, send electrical surges in their counter-hacking games to each others work stations with the minimum effect of frying their equipment or even physically harming their operators. I find myself shouting at the TV, "Bitch, you're hardwired into a 120V socket! That shit's not going to change!" It makes me want to headdesk every time. Every. Time.

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    Just saw Suicide Squad. It was fun, although I felt like the plot went of the rails a little bit toward the middle after introducing everyone. It felt very rushed and there were a number of scenes that felt very abrupt and disjointed. I imagine that quite a large chunk of that movie wound up on the cutting room floor. Wasn't particularly happy with The Joker's portrayal either. overall, he was far too... "clean". He wasn't denatured enough and seemed to grunt and growl more than I would expect from the cackling, wise-cracking, Chaotic-Evil madman that he should be.

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    saw suicide squad.

    its not *terrible* but its not awesome.

    DC films seem to suffer from big jumps in logic with scenes seemingly missing as to how person A gets to place B. Leads to a couple of occasions where i was like "uhm.. so whats the point of this scene/how did we get to this point?" - god help some of the more ignorant folk.

    just dont get the editing process in this or Batman vs Superman. Both also suffer from too many storylines being woven in one film. This i put down to DC's attempts to catch up with marvel and as such releasing much inferior films in the process.

    Also a little threadbare on el diablo.

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    Diablo and the Big Bad both suffered serious character deficits, I thought. It really did seem as though they were trying to cram too much into too short a space of time. It felt very much like what should have been a crossover movie that should have been the culmination of several separate movie's worth of story and character development. To be fair, Avengers suffered similar problems with its pacing but they at least benefited from having had the run up from their background films to carry the depth.

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    It's a continued missed opportunity with DC.

    They do some good animated movies. They should have promoted those more, and set up the Live Action movies using those.

    Then they wouldn't need to bother with "introducing" new characters all the time and can just have a single, cohesive, plot.

    "Tie-in" is the important word for things like this that have massive universes behind them. Not just "tie-in" from one movie to the next... Marvel set up a shit ton of Shield and Cap stuff with Agent Carter and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

    But DC just vomit different things onto different mediums. TV? Yeah, lets go back in time and make a cop crime drama out of Batman. And we'll completely separate Flash, which is in a different time altogether, from the movies where we have Flash. Oh, and don't forget DC Legends of Tomorrow which is once again in a separate time. Film? Yeah, we'll make a couple of Batman movies that end with Batman quitting, right before we have a movie of Batman - still completely unrelated to, the TV format, Gotham - still going strong and now fighting Superman who - for some reason - is the only character we're going to keep continuity with.

    Oh, and while they're at it... they will keep pathetically attempting to have references and mentions to the rest of the universe in each of these things. Not because they are trying to build a cohesive universe... but because... reasons. Because if they were trying to build a cohesive universe... the first thing they would need to do is to stop splitting it up.

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    Indeed, loco, they seem to have been wrong footed and are now making a hash of attempting to get some market share

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carach View Post
    saw suicide squad.

    its not *terrible* but its not awesome.

    DC films seem to suffer from big jumps in logic with scenes seemingly missing as to how person A gets to place B. Leads to a couple of occasions where i was like "uhm.. so whats the point of this scene/how did we get to this point?" - god help some of the more ignorant folk.

    just dont get the editing process in this or Batman vs Superman. Both also suffer from too many storylines being woven in one film. This i put down to DC's attempts to catch up with marvel and as such releasing much inferior films in the process.

    Also a little threadbare on el diablo.

    I saw it too. And Independence Day and Star Trek as well... and Batman vs Superman few months back too. And they are all the same. Not good, not bad. Mostly well crafted with lot of awesome looking action, but otherwise shallow. The only really good movie i saw in cinema over the course of the past year or two was Hateful 8. Funnily the only one of the lot probably not to include any special effects, and if so, very little. It´s bit sad when as a fan of science fiction and fantasy you end up liking more not SF movies....because while they lack spaceships and stuff, they actually have the most important thing to me, proper story...

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    funny.

    also im going to see War Dogs later so will let you guys know how that panned out... was that or sausage party but the missus wanted War Dogs.

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    Is this officially produced by marvel? Or was it just these guys poking a little tongue in cheek fun at the themselves, the franchise, and the Marvel nerds who like to speculate what Thor has been up to during his absence from the last film? They don't seem to be promoting anything specific to MCU (other than name branding?). Either way, 7/10 well played, made me laugh, but left me wondering.

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    no idea but it amused me so I thought I would share with you all.

    War Dogs was good. Though I'm getting bored of seeing people hit bongs and swear a lot just 'cos - and this is coming from a person who in rl can't help but swear every other sentence.

    Also the woman in it is smoking hot. like... her eyes... green like mine, maybe its what everyone sees in me ! (I wish)

    I am looking forward to seeing WestWorld - not a movie but it looks bloody good no? and it has so many Hollywood people in it I thought I could chuck a mention of it into this thread

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    I've been on leave for the last two weeks. This last week, my wife thought it would be hilarious to watch all the Marvel movies to date since she liked Bug Boy (Captain America: Civil War - it's the helmet/headpiece, she thinks it makes him look like a cute little bug and bursts into laughter and gushes about how cute he is every time she sees it).

    So for the last two weeks we've been doing that. And my brain is overflowing with Marvel now. I didn't get much sleep last night because my dreams were full of Iron Man's suits of armour breaking up and flying at me in bits and pieces and every time I'd try and duck out the way of the fast moving metal and wake up.

    I'm now sleep deprived and my brain is Marvel Mush.

    On the plus side, all this has made me very keen for Dr. Strange. I've seen all the trailers. I really want to watch the goram movie now.

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    won't be a 2016 film to watch but here's a teaser for guardians 2

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    I'm surprised there hasn't been a third Dr Strange trailer TBH. Barely heard of the guy before, (Lego Marvel is it), but sounds, interesting...
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    So for the last two weeks we've been doing that. And my brain is overflowing with Marvel now. I didn't get much sleep last night because my dreams were full of Iron Man's suits of armour breaking up and flying at me in bits and pieces and every time I'd try and duck out the way of the fast moving metal and wake up.


    Edit: I better make this post actually have some content...

    It's not really a Movie, but the new season of Black Mirror is out on Netflix. Totally going to spend the rest of today binging it.
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    So, today was the premiere of Dr. Strange in my country.

    While it plays it fairly safe story/plot wise, the style is very reminiscent of the comic books when it comes to alternate dimensions and it tells the origins of the character fairly faithfully. If you're tired of Marvel superhero movies this probably won't persuade you to like them again, but I don't think you will be bored while watching it either. As per tradition, there is a mid-credit and a post-credit scene. The mid-credit scene sets up a crossover with a different Marvel character while the post-credit scene sets up the sequel.

    Overall, a recommendation from me.

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    Been waiting for somone to say somthing since it's been out for at least 2 days in the UK...

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    AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH IT'S HAPPENING

    20 years after the original.

    Really hope it delivers. Everything about the original was brilliant; the acting/music/cast/cinema.

    One of my favourite scenes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XrvpEIiC1w

    2:28 in particular for the full Danny Boyle experience.

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    This looks like it will be based on Porno which was also a very good read.

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    Was looking forward to Hacksaw Ridge, but I see it ain't out over here until January. Wtf?!

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    Ghost in the Shell trailer

    Fuck it, why not. Visual language strikes me as having been properly translated 1:1 to the cinema screen. Plot seems like a mix of the Major's history with Hideo Kuze (though missing the refugee portion of the Individual Eleven storyline), some elements of the Puppet Master storyline minus the Puppet Master itself (they seem to have kept the Ministry of Foreign Affairs defector), and maybe the monks plugged into the big PC are a sort of analogue to the Noble Rot program from the Solid State Society plotline I guess? Main through-line appears to be the Major's past, which the three anime plotlines do more or less touch on.

    Also, I guiltily quite like the remix of the Depeche Mode song in the trailer.

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    So, about Rogue One - what are your impressions?

    I did not expect much, after last year, but was pleasantly surprised. Way better than TFA in my opinion and i would say almost on par with the original trilogy.

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    I loved Rogue One for the action and the overall more adult tone. The movie hit my taste in almost every aspect. Also the small easter-eggs were fabulous!

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    I just noticed that Ghost in the Shell trailer.

    One of my favorite anime titles? Check.
    Scarlet Johansen? Check.
    Will watch? Check.

    I'd have been just as happy watching this with a Japanese cast with English subs though. Cultural infusion, yo!

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    Gonna have to wait to the new year for rogue one. The ghost in the shell movie looks pretty cool - never seen the anime tho, but that kind of sci fi is my kind of fi.

    Also.. blade runner 2049 teaser, anyone?

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    Rogue one is pretty good overall.
    Not perfect. The first act is poorly paced and jumps around a lot. Second act is fairly competent. Third act redeems the rest. A great mix of action and fanservice.

    What's more, unlike the prequels and TFA that felt they diminished the original trilogy with crappy explanations like "midichlorians" and having main cast's previous accomplishments reset to 0, Rogue One actually feels like it adds to A New Hope. Without being obnoxious in any way it helps fill in the plotholes or little questions about the original Star Wars. Why Luke was "Red 5", why the rebels were so desperate for new pilots. Why the Death Star's convenient weakness existed and how the rebels were able to find it in the first place, why the final battle was so desperate.

    The main problems come with the characters. Mostly a matter of motivation. The characters are essentially interesting concepts without complete realisation. There's real questions as to why they would be acting the way they are. Jyn doesn't have as much of a plot arc as she does a plot right angle. There's a point and then suddenly she's an entirely different character.

    The plot as a whole makes sense unlike TFA which is basically one co-incidences after another to staple a bunch of actions scenes together frankenstein style but question as to why the characters are actually doing things that way breaks suspension of disbelief.

    Though reasonably well acted, it also lacks the chemistry and general charisma of the TFA cast. With the exception of the droid K-2SO who managed to deliver his lines perfectly... though a bit too often. Felt like they doubled up on the droid snark to fill in story gaps.

    These flaws stop what is an above average Hollywood flick becoming great. Overall a welcome addition to the Star Wars mythos.
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    Similar observations, though my verdict would be a bit more negative. Rogue One's story is both confusing to newcomers while also being superfluous to Star Wars fans, and its characters don't fill this void. At least I got me some Mads Mikkelsen, and the one man boarding party was a somewhat conciliatory end.

    Up next is Arrival, as per Supernaut's recommendation.
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    I thought the movie was good. The CGI Tarkin and Leia were... something. Better than recasting iconic roles at any rate and while undeniably noticeable it was high enough quality not to be distracting. The beginning of the movie jumped around a little, but wasn't bad. Generally speaking I don't seem to get hung up on a lot of things the rest of you lot do, so I rather liked it... doubly so since everyone dies... as they should have.

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    It's sad to think they may have to do the same as they did for Tarkin for Leia in Episode 9 now; either that, or write her out of the picture entirely

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    Yeah, Carrie Fisher's death is certainly tragic. Makes one think hard about the affects and risks of long flights =\. But hey, at least her character wasn't killed off in one of the stupidest, most predictably cliched moments in cinema history...
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    Rogue One was awesome. All the best things of star wars wrapped into one. Action packed, light comedy, the iconic scenes. Found myself smiling like a cheshire cat throughout. Was worth the ridiculous cost of imax3d

    And the best bit is that its an original story! Not a pathetic rehash with an unbelievable superwoman lead. Ahem.
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    Rogue One I thought was brilliant, much preferred it to episode 7. Quite jumpy at the beginning, felt there was a rush to setup the initial story but once it properly got going it was really good. Vader's scenes were pretty brutal, in fact most of the last act is pretty brutal. K2-SO was funny but no HK-47. It's going to be interesting what they do with Leia in episode 8 and 9 without Carrie Fisher. May see the Assassins Creed film next weekend and see if it's as bad as it looks.

  37. Gamers Lounge Senior Member Company of Heroes Senior Member Dawn of War II Senior Member  #437
    Arrival is legitimately amazing. Sci-fi with a focus on science always seems to fall apart in the end (e.g. Interstellar), but this one manages it extremely well. Very intimate shots, maybe that's why it felt so much more engaging than the usual big budget effects spectacle. Probably the best piece of cinema 2016 had to offer.

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    at least her character wasn't killed off in one of the stupidest, most predictably cliched moments in cinema history...

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    I suppose this thread is now going to be mostly about movies to see in 2017 which were released in 2016, since it's only January and the forum won't be around long enough for many new films to be released.

    You know, I thought that you guys were joking around about the CGI characters in Rogue One, because I remember making up what I thought was a ridiculous pretend-spoiler about the "CGI Alec Guinness" in The Force Awakens. I was impressed and enthusiastic about the CGI Arnie in Terminator Salvation, and again with the same thing in Terminator Genisys, but I felt that the inherently artificial nature of the Terminator character lent itself well to any slight "uncanny valley" effect. I'm not sure how I feel about completely CGI recreations of real actors for no particular reason, although I've never objected to digital stunt doubles or CGI de-ageing techniques. I wonder if the cinema of the future is going to be populated entirely by actors who were never born at all, in the sense that we usually use that word: I.e. actors who are completely simulated, yet household names. I don't know if such a future would be good or bad, but it rather freaks me out to consider it. The future is heading our way very quickly these days, isn't it? No wonder so many people are asking for the changes to slow down a bit. I don't think that I want human beings to become obsolete in fairly short span of time, even if just in the world of movies, because it suggests that human beings might become obsolete fairly quickly in other areas of life too -- such as human beings becoming obsolete full-stop. I don't want to be like a Luddite without a good reason, as technology is capable of improving the quality of our lives in so many respects.

    Things like this can make a person wonder more and more about the simulation hypothesis (which is something that I'd rather not do, because that rather freaks me out too -- although it's not so different to some of the other ideas I've been talking about lately). But the question behind the simulation hypothesis is just another one of those things that we're not capable of answering right now, if ever, so I suppose it's best to try to reconcile ourselves with the uncertainty and make the best of things; things like the fact that we exist in some form at all, even if it may be a transient state -- and other things like having the ability to appreciate an enjoyable movie or to go outside and smell the roses. Hopefully I'll enjoy Rogue One.

    I kind of feel like putting on Casablanca, or another old movie from a simpler time, even though I've never seen it and don't know whether it's any good (beyond its reputation as some kind of classic film). I also wish I could make a few more "normal", non-profound and/or non-disturbing posts on internet forums.

    The Accountant is an entertaining film released in 2016, by the way. I also re-watched Star Trek: Insurrection lately, and remembered how much I like that sweet movie with its uplifting message and calming musical score.

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    I'm gonna wilfully interpret your comment as representing you showing an interest in what I have to say. Hehe!

    So speaking of re-watching Star Trek movies in 2017 (the old, pre-Abrams films with the more hopeful idea of the future): Picard explains to Lily, in a scene during the time-travelling adventure known as "Star Trek: First Contact", that since money was abolished, humanity now devotes its time to bettering itself -- and that situation is presumably made possible via the automisation of menial work. Perhaps Picard is simplifying matters when he explains that his future Federation involves zero monetary transactions, but who knows what the writers intended with that particular piece of dialogue.

    I say that I don't want to be a Ned Ludd without a good reason, because as long as we're only replacing much of the human workforce with non-sentient machines (and therefore not creating an ethical concern along the lines of enslaved machines with potentially self-aware quantum-computing brains, capable of freedom of thought, freedom of choice, etc), then we can also help to build the society that I have envisioned: a society within which the widely-available and uncensored compendium of human knowledge -- i.e. the Internet -- enables a new generation of somewhat self-taught politicians to be elected, on the back of a somewhat self-taught body of ordinary people, who are now devoting a greater part of their time to their own self-education. After all, it's difficult to teach yourself via the Internet if you have to work everyday in a gruelling "9 to 5" job -- or possibly take more than one job, just to make ends meet -- and then find yourself exhausted, desiring only to spend your remaining daily hours on rest and relaxation, plus the requisite chores of daily life which are excluded from national GDP statistics.

    The big question is whether, once freed from the daily grind and provided with the "basic income" that we're currently being drip-fed stories about, will enough of us devote enough of our time to our own personal educations? Or will too many of us spend all of our time watching 3-D movies on our 4K tellies, with their new-fangled curved screens? Or perhaps too many of us will completely immerse ourselves into virtual reality, via headsets and other such contraptions.

    If too many of us spend all of our time watching movies like Star Trek and Transformers -- and especially if we're watching the morally/philosophically eviscerated J J Abrams and Michael Bay iterations -- then nobody will be watching the watchers anymore, and they will be free to lead us towards our own extinction, if they so desire it (as we will be mostly surplus to requirements anyhow, once we are no longer serving as a labour class -- and particularly if we've all willingly subscribed to the post-democracy, technocratic ideology: an ideology which suggests that those individuals who form the ranks of "the great ill-informed" ought to be disenfranchised, so that the world can be better run by their betters!)

    I'm not sure whether Disney's version of the Star Wars franchise is morally eviscerated yet; I think it's too soon to know. George Lucas had some noble ideals though, in my opinion. Even when he changed the scene between Han and Greedo, at least the man was attempting to alter the original movie in such a way that it might become more instructive for the kiddies, with regard to living a moral life. Unfortunately he appeared to have forgotten the importance of redemption, even as his entire six-film saga became almost entirely about the concept of freedom of choice to change your ways, and about redemption.

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    and that situation is presumably made possible via the automisation of menial work. Perhaps Picard is simplifying matters when he explains that his future Federation involves zero monetary transactions, but who knows what the writers intended with that particular piece of dialogue.
    Replicators. When 100% of your food and 99% of your tool manufacturing can be done so easily it radically changes the usual dynamics. How the Federation worked before that is an open question.

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    They were busy bombing the shit out of each other, remember? Pre-Federation society basically employed the equivalent of the Jem'HaDar in their armed forces with soldiers that were addicted to combat drugs to make them more effective and more compliant to their chain of command (ref: The pilot episode, Encounter At Far Point, where Q places humanity "on trial" and we are given a glimpse of some of that past).

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    The federation's been around a lot longer than replicators though, the later came in between kirk and TNG.

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    I'm amused by the fact that this discussion tangent is the result of Alpharius responding to a spambot.

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    According to a random comment in discord most of the best discussion here got started by replies to spambots, so lulz.

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    Don't ban the poor robot then! This could be like Microsoft's "Tay" all over again, but even better! Less Nazi this time around, hopefully!

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