a 3rd C'tan

[thewizard]

theres been rumors in the GW shop in england that theres going to be a third C'tan the machine lord. well the story geos that milions of years ago that the C 'tan ( known as the sun gods back then) had a huge battle between them selfs fighting over teritory and nearly got all them selfs killed. but several went in to hiding. the decever, the nightbringer, and meany others. not until now when the necrons have been awoken that the gods have come out of hiding and now years later the machine lord has risen. cool huh anyone doing mods for them and wonder if we could get some images of the machine lord hehe

[uberdayo]

stupid
i know him and he is :P

[Lord Dante]

stupid

I dont think your comments are needed. :fight:

Wizard there is a Tau Mod in the making, if the new C'tan is released with rules and such im sure it will make its way in at some point.

[Garrick]

it is immpossible that the third C'tan, the void dragon ca be released with rules, he is bigger as a Warlord Titan (or more)

[Freelancer]

hmm c'tan rising wont happen tbh with the 4th edition out, some thing that hudge will have a major fluff impact and would result in those marine Primarchs rising (dark angels for example) wont happen tbh

[Lord Dante]

ah but ive always wanted to see Angron, magnus the red etc... there all still alive, uber-powered!

not gonna happen tho.

[artemis]

umm there were only 4 ctan that went into stasis. 2 doesn't really make many. the deceiver tricked the night bringer, dragon and outsider that the sweetest feasts were other ctan. and about the dragon being huge, all ctan can change their form to suit their needs. so gw could release it to be the same size as the other ctan.






btw this [the ctan waking up] probably will happen in the next campaign

[DarthVaygr]

Necwonz....assault Terrorize Terra! Hmm.....and pictures? There were four C'Tan Gods that survived the big slugfest eating C'Tan melee: The Nightbringer, Deceiver, Dragon, and Outsider. Dragon and Outsider haven't awakened yet, and Dragon is rumoured to be on Mars, dormant. There is, AFAIK, no art on them yet. I wish I had any idea how they look. Check the Necron Mod thread if you want to find out about adding in the C'Tan.

[Shakrith]

Why should the C'Tan not arise? The fluff has been saying they will ssince the Codex was out and rumours are it will be next year. It is not the same as the primarchs, because the primarchs are nearly all lost with no hope of return, while the Star Gods are all on the rise again. The Dragon is not the size of a Titan, I think that you think that we are talking about the heavy Eldar aircraft of the same name.

[thewizard]

how do we know about the other 2 meany went in to statis but offical guys from games workshop said that the machine lord is comming out there only in the design stage. and maybe they might bring out the other 2 later so who knows would be good. and anyway the necrons need more charactors like ever other army they have to meany so the might come out

[Richtofen]

There are only 4 c'tan alive at the moment, heh, they are more extinct than the eldar

Nightbringer, Deciever, Dragon, Outsider.

[thewizard]

yeah alive at the moment but there still some in hiding just cos we aint herd of them for a millenia dont mean they aint there

[Richtofen]

the last two are the ones in hiding...

I suppose it could be possible that there are a couple more less powerful ones. Also, who knows, maybe there are c'tan all over the universe (then we're in for a very bleak future indeed).

[Shakrith]

Actually it confirms in the codex that the Deceiver/Nightbringer (deciever manipulated the nightbringer), the Outsider (influenced by the Laughing God, who some say is the Deceiver, some not), and the Old Ones/Eldar/warp entites destroyed all but four. No more, no less.

[Richtofen]

But then you can always go into crazy stuff like "a forgotten one/c'tan in other galaxies etc"

But yeah, unless GW likes to change their mind (like they do with bolters) then there are only 4 C'tan

[Lord Dante]

SO, where did Fallen Dark Angle Cypher get his C'tan phase weapon from them?

If they bring in more in more C@tan then its time for the chaos Primarchs like Angron and Magnus Red the etc...

[thewizard]

any one got any back info pone these 2 angon and magnus the red cos they sound sooo cool. and i know i was wondering about cyphers catan sword thing. cos if theve been around for a while. hold on im diggin out codex necrons future refference.

[Freelancer]

erm lads listen to your selves im am 90% sure gw will not do what you guys suggest, think about the logistics of it. About 50 + new models massive promo and new artwork + time i really dont think this will happen. Also creating the primarchs will be a no no as they are probably a 1000 point army in them selves.

[Dalveldrin]

If they can turn ageless Star Gods into 300 point models, I'm sure they can work out anything.

[artemis]

"the ageless stargods" are only 300 points because they are contained inside a necrodermis. thats like tying up a primarch with steel cables. now gw could release something like that but chances are they wont. and thewizard, please try to spell better. its giving me a headache trying to undersatnd you

[Dalveldrin]

SOoo if we all agree that C'tan are limited to their Necrodermis, I see no problem in adding the other ones.

[DarthVaygr]

The Necrodermis makes them weaker? So why do they use it? Fluff lesson time for me?

[Dalveldrin]

From what i've gathered it's because... umm... so we can use them on the tabletop?? I mean they suck the life from stars and stuff lol, if they didn't nerf that we would have never heard about them. That is the unofficial reason to create the Necrodermis.

[artemis]

The Necrodermis makes them weaker? So why do they use it? Fluff lesson time for me?

ncrodermis allowed the ctan to take a carnate form. the necrontyr created the necrodermis out of living metal so that the c'tan could fight for them in the war against the old one (back then there were many c'tan). the real world tainted the c'tan to become evil blah blah blah. long story short: you cant take a being of pure energy and make it into a tangible form without making it hella weaker

[Lord Dante]

I thought some of the c'tan were more like 700 points on the TT?

As for my Primarch suggestions - it was merely a bit of fun, a Primarchs stats would read almost 10-10-10 across the board in places.

These guys can fight multiple bloodthirsters (and they have) in CC.

Sanguinus (wells hes long dead but im feeling fluffy) after days of fighting and heavily wounded was smashed into the floor by a Bloodthirster in singlecombat, Sangy (being hard as nails) flys into the sky locked in combat with the big khornate daemon, grabs him, and brings him down across his knee, cracking the back of Khornes mightest daemon in 2.
Sangy throws the corpse into the hereticle throng - the bloond Angles watching roar in triumph and Sanguinus shuts the gates to the imperial palace on earth... the seige continued... Sanguinus was slain at the hands of Hours.

Woo sorry got all fluffy there. couldnt resist!

[Paradise]

No C'tan was killed by Eldar/The Old Ones/bla bla. They were all killed by other C'tan.

[DarthVaygr]

I suppose primarches are really strong Is there a picture of one anywhere?

[Dalveldrin]

Deceiver is 300 points, Nightbringer is 360, as was in the last Codex, don't have the 4th edition yet actually, hope they didn't double in points heh

[Swuppah]

Necwonz....assault Terrorize Terra! Hmm.....and pictures? There were four C'Tan Gods that survived the big slugfest eating C'Tan melee: The Nightbringer, Deceiver, Dragon, and Outsider. Dragon and Outsider haven't awakened yet, and Dragon is rumoured to be on Mars, dormant. There is, AFAIK, no art on them yet. I wish I had any idea how they look. Check the Necron Mod thread if you want to find out about adding in the C'Tan.

There is something under Mars, but not the Void Dragon, or what ever name you call it, It would ruin all of the War40k univers, The star eater so close to the holy planet Terra, it would end humanity in 1 sec. Anyhoo, GW next campain is the one on Ultramarines homeplanet, think its going to be sweet, 4 attack on it, (after what ive read. prolly more attack on their homeplanet) only remember the 3 nids attack that nearly whiped out the ultramarines 3 times.....

but some C'Tan are under mars, just not the star eater, or void dragon or what you call it



Edited: Well there are in the book of horous heresey or whats the book called, nice costodian guards pics, think pics of all the primarchs are in there

[Shakrith]

No, the Dragon is definietly under mars. It says everywhere! The Imperium would be in deep trouble, but not ruined.

[Lord Dante]

well the dragon in physical form wouldnt be to much of a problem even if it was under mars.

Considering how many titans are on Mars. and the imperial fleet defence for eart is stationed in orbit there. the ammount of firepower they could bring to bare would be insane. the only problem being they might destroy Mars in the process.

[Shakrith]

Lol. Destroying Mars would be quite difficult, but they seemed to do St Josmane's Hope and Ganymede pretty well... if you can count on anyone (apart from the Eldar with their Talismen of Vaul, now under Abaddon's control, or from Abaddon's Planet Killer) to destroy a planet, the Ad Mech will find a way to.

[artemis]

nothing can destroy c'tan except eldar weapons tha are on the vaul moons and other c'tan. you can breach the necrodermis and cause the c'tan to go away for a while. but thats about it

[Freelancer]

hehe just spoke with my gw source man your facts are messed up people.

[Xennhorn]

With the C'Tan on mars... he is worshipped as the machine god...

If/When he awakes the Index Astartes will be devided.. those loyal to the emporer.. and those loyal to the machine god i.e Tech marines

[Bylak]

I'm actually looking into playing the Necrons in 40K and on this board is the first time I've heard them naming the 2 other C'tan (the codex too makes it pretty obvious that there's one on mars). I don't suppose it would be too much trouble to ask for someone to direct me in one way or the other to read up on these other C'tan or any information that's been released on how that will play out? <=)

[Shakrith]

There was a big thing in a white dwarf ages ago on the two remaining c'tan.

Also, they are named in both prophecies (the one on the last page and the other, early one).

[Shigan]

Freelancer says you guys are full of it. What are they not getting right guy? And most importantly to me (Eldar player from TT) When is the Eldar death god, going to be awakened?

[Freelancer]

lol ok yes there will be models of the primarchs but they will be Show case models larger then inquisitor. Also apparently the new maggius calgar will rock.

[Freelancer]

bump

[Lich1990]

Cool.
I wonder what the outsider would look like?
The master of death appeals to me, but a completly insane star god has its things.
Oh well. Guess I'll just have to buy both.
The red harvest!

[Xennhorn]

yes.. im a necron player.... my town fears my nightbringer.... http://forums.relicnews.com/newreply.php#
Big Grin

cnat wait to get my hands on the other 2 c'tan... those damn grey knights will tremble in fear http://forums.relicnews.com/newreply.php#
Nana

[Lord_Mazdamundi]

read this thread: http://forums.relicnews.com/showthre...d=1#post599059

Additionally: no primarchs in 40k ever. The likelyhood of them doing "showcase models" is slim, GW doesn't do stuff like that. Maybe through forgeworld.

Eldar God of Death: He, ironically, is DEAD. All the Eldar gods except for the Bloody Handed God and the Laughing God are dead. Some time ago it was hinted that Vaul may have also survived.

Freelancer I don't know who your source is or why they suggest that GW will make primarch models. Andy Chambers, when I spoke to him at Gamesday 2 years ago, discussed how primarchs were something Rick Preistly came up with and something they liked but was now outside their scope for the game and best remained mysterious back story.

And yes the new Marenus Calgar is cool, so are his body guards.

[pete130183]

There is already a model of Leman Russ. Its form the old school, Rogue trader game. I still have the model knocking arouns some where. Unfortunatly i live in a land far away from any GW store, so most of this is new to me. How would they bring primarchs back. Callgar is in stasis (although in the ultamarine novel "sorry cant remember the name, its the first one" it is hinted that he is slowly recovering) on ultramar(ultramerines), sangus is dead(Blood Angels), Russ (space wolfs) and Lion El (dark angels) are "Lost" some where, and the Emporor is on the throne(lazy sob). If these C'Tan come to the game they would be nearly all powerfull even agains the mighty sons of Russ (sorry im a bit one sided as a Space wolf palyer of old). I havent played for ages but i think they might make the game a bit one sided.

[Deathwatch]

The Lion is deep within "The Rock". And the Grey Knights are Fearless.

[Lord_Mazdamundi]

The Leman Russ model from waaaay back in the day is not the Primarch we know of today. The original story for Russ is far differnt and predates the invention of the Primarchs by Preistly and the gang. It's hard to understand the story because there was a time when it was under constant revision without real explanation.

[pete130183]

True. But still it was fun playing with him.

The gray knights are fearless but there only one chapter? (i dont think they formed a legion and if so wouldnt they have been broken down after Horus)

Where did you find out about Lion (im not saying you are wrong im just interested), I always thought him and Russ where lost in the warp still carrying on there fude after the Angles decided to charge in and leave the wolves flank open to attack while fighting a chaos legion (i forget which and where could be the thousand sons legion??). The reason i say this is i havent read anything about them after they slugged it out on that doomed world. My mide is a bit fuzzy i havent read the books and things for ages. I thought that Cypher could be El (i know that hes a fallen angel), After all he carrys his Lion sword and his stats are though the roof compared to most marine commanders. I did have this discussion with a GW guy while in Cambridge and he hinted about Cypher / Lion. Personally I am not convinced. But i cant find much about either to explain either way.

[Freelancer]

Freelancer I don't know who your source is or why they suggest that GW will make primarch models. Andy Chambers, when I spoke to him at Gamesday 2 years ago, discussed how primarchs were something Rick Preistly came up with and something they liked but was now outside their scope for the game and best remained mysterious back story.

as i said show case models and i wont disclose my source :P dont want them in trouble. And when do we ever believe Rick Preistly :P

Where did you find out about Lion (im not saying you are wrong im just interested), I always thought him and Russ where lost in the warp still carrying on there fude after the Angles decided to charge in and leave the wolves flank open to attack while fighting a chaos legion

Lion was killed on his home world when the dark angels returned from the heresy how ever the "watchers of the dark" have done something with his body. Hence the notion "he will rise when needed"
Cypher on the other hand is a dark angel fallen warrior who he is, is a mystory rumour has it gw are gonna do some thing on him at christmas, ive seen people guessing thats hes every thing from a marine to the emporer! yes i said that.

I always thought him and Russ where lost in the warp still carrying on there fude after the Angles decided to charge in and leave the wolves flank open to attack while fighting a chaos legion (i forget which and where could be the thousand sons legion??

lol other way around some random chaos lord refered to the space wolfs primarch as food for his dog, the wolfs them promptly attact the chaos lord in the most dangerious way loosing many brothers the dark angels on the other hand literally walked in through the back door and Lion killed the lord which really really peed off Russ. This resulted in a punch up between the two.

I hope i answered some of your questions :P

And why the hell is this forum so slow?? it takes me 10m to upload one page!