Less Hiigaran Bias Please! More Vagyr now!
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Less Hiigaran Bias Please! More Vagyr now!
hi guys for starters i would like to say thismod is realy good
i havent been following it since early on just found out about it but still werry good job
i have a problem and dont realy know the source of it
my game sometimes suddenly ctashes and exits to desktop
before it does it makes a stupid anoying sound like when the cassettes tape was eaten , dont know how else to describe it
i have a radeon x300 wich has caouse some probs for other games so this might be the same problem?
i am not sure couse the original homeworld neved did this
if so can u offer some tips how to avoid it , its realy anoying when u finaly get your economy going to crash
if the video card isnt the problem could u tell me some advise ?
anyone has any idea plz do contact me on my email
moresaghi@vipmail.hu
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If your comp is making such a terrible sound, STOP.
If you can't find the answer though, reformat your hard drive. I do think it is your graphics card though, and I base this on absolutly nothing.
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i think i know whats your problem...
your pc its not procesing well...
its not about graphics its about the process of the pc.
you have too many ships, or you are playing with too many enemies.
try these two things...
1- play with 1 vs 1 in a 6players map.
2- stop using trainer.. the trainer gives the IA the same that gives to you.... such as infinite Ru's.
Tonight, I encountered a possible bug (I don't know if it's been mentioned before).
I was about to lose the game I was playing, and I ejected my core and sent it to a safe corner of the map, but, unfortunately, after my mothership was destroyed, I did not have the 5000 RUs to buy a new one, but I still clicked the button anyway, and a new Pride of Hiigara popped up in my build menu, yet when I clicked to focus on it, it centered the camera on the map. So I just shrugged my shoulders and figured it didn't work. After boredom sat in, I sent my core into the enemy base so I could end the game, however, once the core was destroyed, the game did not end, it just sat there..in, what I can only assume, was a stalemate.
Anyway, other than that, the mod's fantastic, if but a bit slow in the early game, and somewhat lacking in the Vaygr fleet. I look forward to the next build.
I suppose I could put in a few points of supportive criticism as well. Hopefully the Complex mod is still being developed as it is my favorite mod out of Homeworld 2.
1) The game exits to windows or freezes every now and then while playing a multiplayer game. It only happens if I'm host. I've tested it with some friends over the internet and LAN. If someone else hosts it, its just fine, but if I host then it will crash after 30 minutes to an hour of playing.
2) More maps. I want to be able to use the Legacy Map Pack. I tried to decompile the Complex big file and insert the map files where I believed they belonged and recompiled it to a big file but it didn't work.
3) The AI hardly ever builds battlecruisers, even on Expert difficulty. I've only seen 1 or 2 battlecruisers that the Computer have made out of all the games I've played.
4) The Vaygr Cruise Missiles seem to do next to nothing when compared to the Hiigarian Viper Missiles, especially considering the size of the Cruise Missiles. They're around the size of a Frigate.
5) The Vaygr could just use more over-all. I feel the Hiigarian have so much they can build but the Vaygr have a limited choice in what they can build. Also, I feel the Vaygr to be a bit weaker than the Hiigarian after the game has progressed a bit. It just seems the Vaygr are limited.
6) Fighter and Corvette class ships are turned obsolete once you get into the Battleship era. While I think the splash damage from exploding ships is a very nice touch, it makes the smaller ships' use very limited. And telling them to retreat somewhere before each capital ship explodes feels a little tedious. I don't know how you could fix this without removing the nice splash damage so I doubt this could be fixed.
Other then that, I want to say how much I appriciate this mod. It builds upon the game without changing the style or feel. I absolutely enjoy Complex and would love to see it become even better. If I had the scripting/modelling knowledge I would volunteer myself to help but alas, I am skilled in neither.
After further testing, it seems that the host, no matter who it is, crashes after around 30 minutes to an hour of playing.Originally Posted by Alkezo
thats strange our game usualy take at least 1hour and unless we crash when loading game it usualy runs smoothly without problems
have you tried this with vanilla HW2?
We do get the occasional crashing while loading the game but its not that big of a problem since we hadn't even started yet. What is this Vanilla HW2 you speak of? I don't know what it is so I haven't used it.thats strange our game usualy take at least 1hour and unless we crash when loading game it usualy runs smoothly without problems
have you tried this with vanilla HW2?
Vanilla (adj)
Description of standard/average. Used in internet forums to describe a "clean install". Program File is absent of modifications of any varietyProbable origin in most basic flavour of frozen dairy products.
I've encountered the same problem, but only very rarely (only twice, in fact). It was frustrating, but I figured it was only a hiccup in my system.
Ah, I see. I browse many gaming forums and haven't seen this term used before. Well now I know.Vanilla (adj)
Description of standard/average. Used in internet forums to describe a "clean install". Program File is absent of modifications of any variety
To answer the question, I must say that I haven't had it crash on me unmodded. Though, I always have problems with "lag" since I have a duel-core. I have alot of games that don't like duel-core CPUs so I tend to use the parameter -cpu_UseOneProcessor. It worked for awhile on HW2 but it seems to of stopped working recently.
if you use Win Xp there shouldnt be such problem as it will handle this by putting proccesses with les CPU usage on one core and game or other such prog on second thus there is no need to use that switch
i have dual core too and i never had such problem try updating graphics drivers
also tell your friends to play game without you to see if its caused by your system
you could also try to post HW log but someone with more experience will have to look at it since i dont know much about it
if you dont know how to make logs search forums there is list of switches
I also use Windows XP. Do you have Pro or Home edition? I currently am running on Home but if Pro has that feature than I'm switching to it right away.if you use Win Xp there shouldnt be such problem as it will handle this by putting proccesses with les CPU usage on one core and game or other such prog on second thus there is no need to use that switch
I have tried updating my graphics card multiple times. I know its not a performance issue. I run a AMD 3800 and GeForce 7600GT and I've played a few games that require alot more performance than Homeworld 2. If it helps, if I restart my computer it will run just fine. But the longer its on, the more "lag" it generates. Up to this point I believe its some hardware conflict which I would be unable to fix without replacing things.i have dual core too and i never had such problem try updating graphics drivers
Yes, I just found out from them that it indeed crashes even when I don't play with them.also tell your friends to play game without you to see if its caused by your system
I assume you are talking about the errorlogs that are created and not the Hw2.log. Heres part of an error log that was recently created. It seems there are a few violations its receiving so I don't think its just one problem source.you could also try to post HW log but someone with more experience will have to look at it since i dont know much about it
if you dont know how to make logs search forums there is list of switches
Code:Homeworld2.exe caused an Access Violation in module nvoglnt.dll at 001b:69527add. Error occurred at 6/17/2007 20:28:46. Homeworld2.exe, run by Owner. Microsoft Windows XP?. 2 processor(s), type 586. 1024 MBytes physical memory. Read from location 078d3000 caused an access violation.
If the longer your computer is one, the more lag you get, you might have a video card heat issue. Go get a new fan and try replacing the thermal paste on your video card heat sink, it helps.
BTW, I think your post my count as 'overuse of the quote function'.
Thanks, I think I'll look into that. My PC usually runs at an average Temp. of 30 degrees Celsius, so I'm not so sure if tempurature is the problem. You have no idea how long I've been trying to figure out what was wrong with my PC.If the longer your computer is one, the more lag you get, you might have a video card heat issue. Go get a new fan and try replacing the thermal paste on your video card heat sink, it helps.
Eh, I guess I like to be organized and let people know exactly what I'm replying to. There's nothing worse than a misunderstanding in a forum.BTW, I think your post my count as 'overuse of the quote function'.
Also, sorry if I derailed the thread. My first post was mainly about Complex but it seemed to of found its way to PC problems.
I tested this in skimish (player vs CPU)
and the game ended at 1:01:01 hr/min/second on the dot. the game did not crash, it simply went to the results screen as if the game had been ended.
nope i meant HW2.log because win logs wont tell you much
have you tried reinstalling HW2 running disk defrag and instaling it again? that fixes things sometimes
oh and i dont think its quote overuse he is just quoting parts he is replying to of he would make quote of quote etc. that is overuse i hate when people do that on my forums...
@AlteredFreak: are you sure you have not destroyed enemy? i have once forgotten BC in agressive mode and bastard destroyed enemy because some bombers attacked it and retreated ofcourse he had to follow them....
@Alkezo
nvtray usually helps http://nvtweak.laptopvideo2go.com/
Its a program for nivida cards that opens for opitions for you so you can better optimize your card.
Here's the Hw2.log then:
I've reistalled games and defragged my Hard Drive a few times but it hardly fragments.Code:Tue May 15 22:15:06 2007 UTIL -- filepath failure, path doesn't exists 'C:\PROGRA~1\Sierra\HOMEWO~1\data\locale\English' Uing ..profiles\ for profiles folder GAME -- Using player profile Alkezo Changing from a 32 bit colour depth in winNT (5.1 build 2600), Service Pack 2 Using NVIDIA Corporation's 2.0.3 GeForce 7600 GT/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW! renderer (Suspected driver is nvoglnt.dll 6.14.10.9371) SOUND -- created destination [ fdaudio ], handle [ 4 ] with [ 48 ] channels created SOUND -- created destination [ fda streamer ], handle [ 5 ] with [ 8 ] channels created Build name: Sajuuk-Khar - AutoBuild3498 - Ordered by smmatte Built by : mrbuild Data path : C:\PROGRA~1\Sierra\HOMEWO~1\data No mapping for font 'GenericSubtitleFont' - using 'default' Resetting fp control word. CmdLine: -cpu_UseOneProcessor Starting Level: data:LevelData\Multiplayer\Deathmatch\6P_SARUM.LEVEL
Do you mean quoting someone that also has a quote in it or replying to someone's question with a quote as the answer?
Thanks for the link. I'll mess around with it to see what I can do.
Oh yes, the Vaygr Multilance Corvette shows it's attack as 0.
yeah same here but i havent tested them combat so i dont know about their performance still 0 attack is quite big bug(or mistake depending on reason)
I encountered a really frustrating bug tonight, of which I'm not entirefly show one can replicate. I was playing with a friend against some computers and I clicked the cinematic camera. When I pressed escape, the black bars faded out and the HUD reappeared, but five seconds later, the camera refocused on the unit I had selected for the cinematic view... so I moved my camera again, five seconds later it was moved back. Needless to say, this does put a damper on one's ability to command. The bug persisted the remainder of the game. I was able to transfer what unit it was focusing on by pressing the cinematic camera button again while selecting a different unit.
something simmilar happened to me but without use of cinematic mode my camera was moving left all the time and only way to stop it was to hold key to move it left or use mouse movement
I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get more than 10 officers. I've had 200+ honour points, most of the research done, still maxed at 10/10. I have hundreds of crew avalible.
The computer does not have this problem. They have destroyers all over the place.
Please help I love this mod!
All you need to do is build an officer barracks on the crew station. What makes it tricky is that it is really low on the build list so that you have to scroll past all the "Crew Barracks" build options until you find the officers barracks build option.
yea that's annoying, especially since hig have to spend about 2000 extra to get research/crew upgrades more then vagry.
trumpjack, you are a star! Thanks a lot! /me runs off to go play
@AlteredFreak: yeah but vaygr have less powerfull ships in later phases of game unless they use this advantage to beat hiigarans they cant win
Hiigarans are quite abit done, but Veygar still needs ALOT of refinement. Looking in the .big archive I've noticed new ships... so there should be something in the next release, which I eagerly wait for.
yup beghins already posted some new on next release and new ships should be there but still looks to me that he is mainly focusing on hiigs
Personally I prefer one race fully done up and just go an all hiigaran map then two but not so well done.
My brother encountered this bug as well, so I'd say its able to be reproduced. :PI encountered a really frustrating bug tonight, of which I'm not entirefly show one can replicate. I was playing with a friend against some computers and I clicked the cinematic camera. When I pressed escape, the black bars faded out and the HUD reappeared, but five seconds later, the camera refocused on the unit I had selected for the cinematic view... so I moved my camera again, five seconds later it was moved back. Needless to say, this does put a damper on one's ability to command. The bug persisted the remainder of the game. I was able to transfer what unit it was focusing on by pressing the cinematic camera button again while selecting a different unit.
when we play everyone must use same race to keep things fair but sometimes we all play with vaygr because its fasterPersonally I prefer one race fully done up and just go an all hiigaran map then two but not so well done.
but if you have experienced player as vaygr and others with hiigs he will probably win unless everyone attacks him
I was able to install the mod but for some reason when i play it acts jittery ingame. I know I am supposed to set my hw2.log file to read only but the problem is it is not in the "release" folder. I have even runned a search of my computer still nothing.
Umm, where did you get that idea from?
The Hw2.log file is written to every time something worth noting happens in the game. Hence it's trying to write to something that can't be written to...
Jittery... from the start? or when it gets 'thicker'. I've noticed this mod tends to run slower then the actual game...
Okay got it. But also I have searched through most of this thread anf played through almost all of the mod itself but where do I build crew and officer modules?
Build a crew station (unknown of the exact name)
Everytime you advance a rank (ensin - lutient - captain, etc) you gain the ability to build one extra module of each on the crew station. The only exception is to the first rank advance where you only get crew module.
Where can i build that?(Ive been everywhere on the mothership I must be blind or something.) Or once I gain enough Honor does it appear in the capital ship menu?
Build the crew station thing.
Then when you advance ranks, there will be new modules. That is if your Hiigaran,
If your Veygar, they are researched.
Like Dregnought said... build a crew station.
First, you need to build a capital class facility. Then it should be right below the Research Station build option.
And if you're Vaygr, then you'll find it in the research once you've gone on to the next level of command.
Nope isn't there....must have gotten the wrong version. (edit: Yep I had Version 3.4 lol) Okay thanks for your help. I downloaded it from a site that did not have the updated version so
http://www.homeworld2complex.com/
complex v5.5
it's been a month from the "v6 wont come out before end of may" (or was it 2008 may? lol)... any news? anyone heard or seen anything anywhere etc?
An update would be appreciated! Nothing fancy necessarily, just a sign of continuing interest.
Last year it was about 6mo after the 'release date' before we saw 5.5. It sucks to wait, but it is a volunteer effort, sooooo patience is all we can be. The finished product will be worth it. Every release has proven that again and again.
Just check back every month or so, that or if you have any of the skills needed to help complete any of the items that are posted as partially complete for the next release, contact the designer. I think I remember there being some need of 3d modelers etc.
Patience, we have found the 3D modeler, Dave, and he is just at work, see the screens.
Also, Paul, is working at new units, see the web site for detail.
Complex 6.0 will be the last version of the series, and I wont it perfect, so, I will release it without compromises.
If you want a date, I think September is the Month.
Thanks for your interest in Complex.
Last edited by beghins; 11th Jul 07 at 8:33 AM.
Woho! Good to see you're still here Beghins!
The ship model looks lovely. Thanks for posting it.
I'm sad to hear that this will be the last version of Complex but I suppose you want to move on to other things. At least we know that you'll finish in style.
*jumps up and down in so much joy*
There *is* one thing me and my friend would like and that is an option to toggle all ships above destroyer on/off.... juggernaught as well??
Maybe even include the dey's
sometimes its just fun focuseing on smaller ships.
good to hear from you beghins but instead of saying date why dont you post updates from time to time? its much better imho because there is lot of people who dont get that you work on that mod in your free time and will pester you if you dont make it till that date
oh and if youll need tester tell me i have bit too much time on my hands atm i have some experience with it
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